FireChans Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Mango said: They have lost more games than they have won in 4 of their last 8 seasons. Drew Bees is THE ONLY reason they were not a dumpster fire in those years, and the reason why they can go from 7 wins to 13 wins in a single off season. A guy like Wentz has yet to show that kind of ability. They have had double digit wins in 6 of their last 10 seasons. Their worst record was 1 game under .500. Like I said, much ado is made about the cap. Every year they were supposedly in cap hell. Whether they went 7-9 or 13-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 If I read it correctly. Carson Wentz is not going anywhere in 2020 or 2021. His dead cap is $77 million this year and $60 million next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said: Yeah but they won a SB That is obviously a big something but how long can a GM coast on that? 5 years I would think of which we are entering year 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Their starting 4 D-Linemen carry a ~$70M cap hit this year, and IMO they aren't that good. Yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 3 hours ago, FireChans said: Lol, this cap problem is a product of them winning a Super Bowl. And it’s not a real problem. It is partially the product of overpaying guys that were on a SB winning team. Does anyone really believe that Alshon Jeffrey is worth a cap hit of $18M under any circumstance? The structure of the agreements for the players that will likely be released leaves a significant amount of dead money. Contracts structured like this doesn't point to a great deal of competence on the part of the GM. It isn't a problem at the moment but will be as they start releasing guys next year and can't sign enough good free agents to fill the holes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 hour ago, QCity said: Their starting 4 D-Linemen carry a ~$70M cap hit this year, and IMO they aren't that good. Yikes. It is in 2021 rather than this year but I agree with this. Fletcher Cox is elite. He is worth every penny. The other 3 are not worth what they will get in 2021 and none of them are cuttable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 4 hours ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: Restructure Wentz. And then cut him! Bust. Time for "Mr. Clutch" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 34 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: And then cut him! Bust. Time for "Mr. Clutch" who is mr clutch ? Foles ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 15 minutes ago, prissythecat said: who is mr clutch ? Foles ? No man...Hurts! That’s what they kept calling him on the playoff game his last year at Alabama his last Gabe there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: No man...Hurts! That’s what they kept calling him on the playoff game his last year at Alabama his last Gabe there lol ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 7 hours ago, BeastMaster said: Howie Roseman is an awful GM that handed out deals to nearly every player who was on the SB team as a reward...about as dumb as it gets besides maybe BoB. Howie will be on the hot seat and most likely fired at season's end The only guy dumber than the guy who won a Super Bowl is the guy who’s won the division 4 of the past 5 seasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 (edited) On 4/28/2020 at 2:11 PM, Ennjay said: Can someone here confirm for me: for dead money purposes, a retirement is the same as a cut, right? So a team can't fix a cap issue like that by just letting a player walk into the sunset? That is correct. Same thing for cap purposes. The only rare exception to that is if a player retires soon after receiving a large singing bonus, then the team may able to recoup some of that signing bonus cash. Really rare situation that requires a team to actually get money back from the player in order for it to come off the cap. The retirement has to be elective, not due to injury. That’s why Wood changed his press conference at the last minute. His agent must’ve told him not to take any chances by making it seem like he was electing to retire. It had to be because he was physically unable to continue playing. Edited April 29, 2020 by BarleyNY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 On 4/28/2020 at 2:11 PM, Ennjay said: Can someone here confirm for me: for dead money purposes, a retirement is the same as a cut, right? So a team can't fix a cap issue like that by just letting a player walk into the sunset? Not exactly. A good example is Barry Sanders - he retired early and Lions demanded back portion of bonus back and he refused to do at once. Kept saying "I might unretire and paid back the bonus year to year. If the player is treated like a congressman/senator and gets to keep the bonus (campaign chest) then it is like cutting player. Not sure what happens if retired player has no money because he spent it all on jewelry which hoes took and insurance company will not reimburse for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Wow. . They'll be releasing some great talent next year. I'd love to ***** DE Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Just now, JerseyBills said: Wow. . They'll be releasing some great talent next year. I'd love to ***** DE Graham Sir, this is a family site. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 On 4/28/2020 at 10:55 AM, billsfan89 said: The Eagles are masters of the salary cap, they will be fine. They will make a few cuts and restructure a deal or two and get comfortably under the cap. One of the reasons the Eagles are consistently competitive is their quality coaching, solid drafting and good salary cap management. They might manage the salary cap better than any team in the league. Knowing how the Eagles maneuvered in the past it wouldn’t shock me to see them go from 40 million over the cap to 30-40 million under. With the receivers they drafted this week I think they can easily afford to lost Godwin, Alshon and Desean and just replace them with a draft pick. All three are banged up a lot. That would save about 30 million on the cap. Brandon Graham saves you another 13 million, which gets you just under the cap. I am sure they can maneuver around a few other contracts and cut a few mid level players to get them enough to service their draft picks and have emergency money and maybe depending on how they pull it off sign a couple of mid-level contracts. Desean Jackson is making the tough decisions just a little bit easier: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29422431/eagles-desean-jackson-says-hate-jewish-community-posting-anti-semitic-messages Quoting Hitler with approval (or at least what you think was said by Hitler) is generally not a career-enhancing move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 On 4/29/2020 at 3:53 PM, JerseyBills said: Wow. . They'll be releasing some great talent next year. I'd love to ***** DE Graham Did you mean Lindsey Graham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 The Eagles need 2 full rosters just to keep up with the injuries. Their success, however limited, post Super Bowl is impressive with how banged up they've been. They might have even made it to the 2nd round last year if not for a clearly illegal helmet to helmet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 On 4/28/2020 at 1:16 PM, BarleyNY said: Not all that much smaller. Those numbers are based on a salary cap increase from $198.2M to $209M. It might be more than that, but it’s not going to be by much. Or it could go down if they have no fans and especially if they need to cancel part of season. On 4/28/2020 at 2:11 PM, Ennjay said: Can someone here confirm for me: for dead money purposes, a retirement is the same as a cut, right? So a team can't fix a cap issue like that by just letting a player walk into the sunset? It depends on if they go after prorated bonuses. Barry Sanders would not repay bonuses in full and would repay each year earning money on interest. Each year he said "I might unretire" but never did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 On 4/28/2020 at 12:22 PM, Mango said: I know cap numbers can always be worked and tweaked, but even with accounting for $10M in cap increase and roll over, they are still looking at needing to clear $40M in space. I am not sure I have ever seen anybody over that much. Maybe the Saints at one point? Absolutely wild. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/cap/2021/ A lot of re-structure bonuses in there too. Jackson, Goodwin, Jeffery are targets. Can push some base salary from wentz, cox, slay. Extension for barnett as well. But they're not likely to be players in FA either. Could be the year they eat dead money and reload in 2022. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 On 4/28/2020 at 12:01 PM, GunnerBill said: Bills fans have to get used to the idea that being good is better than having cap space. The hell you say! You don't win trophies for being good! You win them for having the most cap space. I'm pretty sure I've got that right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 On 4/28/2020 at 12:01 PM, GunnerBill said: Not sure Alshon will be on the roster this year let alone next year. He is done there. Hated by coaches and hated by the locker room. They are keeping him in the hope someone will trade for him. But eventually they will cut him. As for the rest... this is what you do when you think you are in a Superbowl window. You load up. Bills fans have to get used to the idea that being good is better than having cap space. Nailed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: Or it could go down if they have no fans and especially if they need to cancel part of season. Absolutely. That definitely is a very real possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 On 4/28/2020 at 1:01 PM, GunnerBill said: As for the rest... this is what you do when you think you are in a Superbowl window. You load up. Bills fans have to get used to the idea that being good is better than having cap space. But what about my Cash-to-Cap plan!?!?!? (Remember those terrible days?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Well, Desean Jackson has certainly made it easier to cut him with his recent comments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 What a moron 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 15 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: But what about my Cash-to-Cap plan!?!?!? (Remember those terrible days?) Yea and it is those days that have a hangover effect still because too many Bills fans see the cap as an inflexible thing due the cap to cash days. It is inflexible if you will never spend more cash than the cap limit in a single year because you can't manipulate the cap and move money about. The successful teams who compete for titles are constantly manipulating the cap. It is how you are supposed to do it. Once you start seeing the cap that way your whole ethos around cap space changes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thenorthremembers Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 32 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He isnt worth the headache at this point in his career. The move was one of those weird reunion trying to catch lightning in a bottle twice things. Not sure his owner would be too keen on his recent reading material either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 On 4/28/2020 at 1:34 PM, FireChans said: Lol, this cap problem is a product of them winning a Super Bowl. And it’s not a real problem. Kinda agree. Part of me would gladly welcome their situation for a Lombardi ? in the trophy case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 2021 is a long way off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Gugny said: Did you mean Lindsey Graham? Lol. I meant Brandon Graham , DE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: He isnt worth the headache at this point in his career. The move was one of those weird reunion trying to catch lightning in a bottle twice things. Not sure his owner would be too keen on his recent reading material either. Probably doesn't help that he (Desean) isn't good at recognizing fake quotes as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 3 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: He isnt worth the headache at this point in his career. The move was one of those weird reunion trying to catch lightning in a bottle twice things. Not sure his owner would be too keen on his recent reading material either. Oy vey. I checked: Jeffrey Lurie is Jewish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Quote I just probably should’ve never posted anything that Hitler did - Desean Jackson July 7, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Oy vey. I checked: Jeffrey Lurie is Jewish. Not to mention the GM, Howie Roseman oops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Not to mention the GM, Howie Roseman oops That Desean Jackson is one clever guy. He apparently arrived at this wisdom after being exposed -- for the first time -- to the intricate theories of one Louis Farrakhan. Which reminded me: Louis Farrakhan is still alive? I hadn't heard/thought about him in a couple decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 It’s the ***** Iggles. I don’t give a *****. I’ve go no ***** to give. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 7 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: That Desean Jackson is one clever guy. He apparently arrived at this wisdom after being exposed -- for the first time -- to the intricate theories of one Louis Farrakhan. Which reminded me: Louis Farrakhan is still alive? I hadn't heard/thought about him in a couple decades. Living in Brooklyn I last heard if he survived the COVID-19 pandemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 18 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Yup. If they can void his guaranteed ($4.8M) portion of his salary then he’s probably gone. That would make it a slightly positive cap move this season and would knock $9M off the books next season (less his low cost replacement). This situation really illustrates the pitfalls of playing the restructure game to create cap space. It’s not that bad with Jackson, but if this had been one of their highly paid DLmen or one of a few other players it would be way, way worse. Still, their WR situation could be really bad. Alshon Jeffery is pretty much done in Philly and likely now DeSean Jackson looks that way too. They’d better hope their rooks came ready to roll because that unit looks like it could torpedo an otherwise talented and very highly paid roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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