RD 3, Pick 86: RB Zach Moss, University of Utah

[North Buffalo]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

 Moss doesn’t grow on a rolling stone.  
 

 

Moss doesnt grow fat on a rolling stone

[Sweats]

Best RB in Utah history......i hope his skill set translates to the NFL level.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

 

[Thurman#1]

 

[3rdand12]

6 hours ago, Nanker said:

Could Moss be called a Rolling Stone?

 

a rolling stone gathers no moss.
and i hate that band lol

[Clockwork]

47 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

a rolling stone gathers no moss.
and i hate that band lol

Hate The Rolling Stones?  I’m so sorry for your ears and your brain. They’re so good. 

[Mat68]

He made defenders miss at a similar rate as Singeltary in college.  Bigger guy, little faster.  I think he becomes a star.  Both him and Singletary can do it all.  The offense got insanley better.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[3rdand12]

 

 : )

 best  band ever though for real.
just very not my thing.
Bob Dylan wrote the rolling stone song didn't he ?

3 hours ago, Mat68 said:

He made defenders miss at a similar rate as Singeltary in college.  Bigger guy, little faster.  I think he becomes a star.  Both him and Singletary can do it all.  The offense got insanley better.

this. I was hoping for complimentary RB in the draft.
I won.

ecstatic with this pick 

 Go Bills

[NewEra]

I was of the billief that we needed a home run hitter with speed to take it to the house every play.  
 

I’m now of the billief that it’s MossMode time!!!  Bring the pain Zach.  If he stays healthy, he’s gonna be a fan favorite for 4 years. Then we let him go and let someone else pay him the big bucks.  Poor rbs

[maryland-bills-fan]

I wonder how important different positions are to teams. I guess that one measure would be if they put their money where their mouth is.  I'll consider players taken the first two rounds (these rounds are twice as effective in getting starters as round 3 is).   Taking the offensive positions and the normal pro set and the 2020 draft you get that they drafted this many players for the different positions.

 

 

position	no.	Drafted 1-64	drafted/spots
QB	1	4	4.0
TE	1	1	1.0
RB	1	6	6.0
C	1	1	1.0
G	2	1	0.5
T	2	6	3.0
WR	3	11	3.7

 

Gee,  everybody waited to get a running back.

 

 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2015/05/22/tracking-nfl-draft-efficiency-how-contingent-is-success-to-draft-position/#df251f77495b

 

Edited April 27, 2020 by maryland-bills-fan

[Turk71]

1 hour ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

I wonder how important different positions are to teams. I guess that one measure would be if they put their money where their mouth is.  I'll consider players taken the first two rounds (these rounds are twice as effective in getting starters as round 3 is).   Taking the offensive positions and the normal pro set and the 2020 draft you get that they drafted this many players for the different positions.

 

 

position	no.	Drafted 1-64	drafted/spots
QB	1	4	4.0
TE	1	1	1.0
RB	1	6	6.0
C	1	1	1.0
G	2	1	0.5
T	2	6	3.0
WR	3	11	3.7

 

Gee,  everybody waited to get a running back.

 

 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2015/05/22/tracking-nfl-draft-efficiency-how-contingent-is-success-to-draft-position/#df251f77495b

 

  I've never been one of the rbs are a dime a dozen crowd but 6 in the first 2 rnds was a surprise to me. I wonder if that is an anomaly compared to other years. I'm too busy building a shop in my yard to check. 

  I am also surprised there were 8 rbs taken before Moss,  I think time will show that was a big mistake. That does explain why Moss was looking frustrated and angry in his living room though. I thought it was funny when they showed him the announcer was saying: "he doesn't like people, he's angry all the time".?

  Their loss is the Bills' gain. Epenesa and Moss falling to the Bills was just perfect.

[Bob in STL]

I keep looking at his film and I like him even more.  He is a physical beast and He really compliments Singletary well.  
 

I would love it if we could impose our will on teams by running.  I known the game has changed -“evolved” - but 2 backs that could hurt another team is nice to have.  

[DJB]

Was this tweeted yet?

 

 

That's a pretty strong statement as far as his usage goes. We can expect likely a split time share. 

[Motor26]

3 minutes ago, DJB said:

Was this tweeted yet?

 

 

That's a pretty strong statement as far as his usage goes. We can expect likely a split time share. 

Should be awesome. Can’t wait to see those two. If Knox can take a step forward, there’s no excuse for Josh after this season with all the weapons around him.

[JESSEFEFFER]

Comparing him to Jonathan Taylor he is better in pass protection, has done more as a receiver, breaks more tackles and has shown better ball security.  These are qualities that sustain offense.  I think we will all enjoy watching him play.

Edited April 29, 2020 by JESSEFEFFER

[BuffaloHokie13]

11 hours ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

I wonder how important different positions are to teams. I guess that one measure would be if they put their money where their mouth is.  I'll consider players taken the first two rounds (these rounds are twice as effective in getting starters as round 3 is).   Taking the offensive positions and the normal pro set and the 2020 draft you get that they drafted this many players for the different positions.

 

 

position	no.	Drafted 1-64	drafted/spots
QB	1	4	4.0
TE	1	1	1.0
RB	1	6	6.0
C	1	1	1.0
G	2	1	0.5
T	2	6	3.0
WR	3	11	3.7

 

Gee,  everybody waited to get a running back.

 

 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2015/05/22/tracking-nfl-draft-efficiency-how-contingent-is-success-to-draft-position/#df251f77495b

 

Well Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Love, and Hurts seems like 5 QBs in the first 2 rounds. 

Thomas, Wills, Becton, Wirfs, Jackson, Wilson, and Cleveland makes 7 OTs.

Ruggs, Jeudy, Lamb, Reagor, J Jefferson, Aiyuk, Higgins, Pittman, Shenault, Hamler, Claypool, V Jefferson, and Mims makes 13 WR.

 

Not sure how much it changes things, but it helps to have correct numbers. I also dislike the round 2 cutoff. Seems arbitrarily chosen to meet your result. Sticking to round 1 players changes this dramatically (1 rb vs 6), and I would wager including round 3 would as well. 

[Coach Tuesday]

Ricky Williams with less speed is a good comp.  That Waldman video really highlights his elite lower body flexibility.

[maryland-bills-fan]

4 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Well Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Love, and Hurts seems like 5 QBs in the first 2 rounds. 

Thomas, Wills, Becton, Wirfs, Jackson, Wilson, and Cleveland makes 7 OTs.

Ruggs, Jeudy, Lamb, Reagor, J Jefferson, Aiyuk, Higgins, Pittman, Shenault, Hamler, Claypool, V Jefferson, and Mims makes 13 WR.

 

Not sure how much it changes things, but it helps to have correct numbers. I also dislike the round 2 cutoff. Seems arbitrarily chosen to meet your result. Sticking to round 1 players changes this dramatically (1 rb vs 6), and I would wager including round 3 would as well. 

 

Thanks for reading my post and I will present here, the correction, the inclusion of the third round and some explanation as to why I though that using the first two rounds illustrated the point I was making.  First, the corrected chart for the first and second rounds.

position	no.	Drafted 1-64	drafted/spots
QB	1	5	5.0
TE	1	1	1.0
RB	1	6	6.0
C	1	1	1.0
G	2	1	0.5
T	2	7	3.5
WR	3	13	4.3

This doesn't change things very much.  RB is still most strongly drafted relative to the number of playing positions on offense.

 

I wanted to have some reconsideration of the idea that  "RB's are easy to get in the later (3,4,5) rounds and that is what everybody does".  No, a lot of teams went after RB's early in the draft and we were lucky to get Moss where we did.

 

Also, that Forbes article is interesting. By their definition you have the following chances of getting a starter: Round One=  30% ,,,, Round Two= 17.5%,,,Round three= 12/6% round four= 11% and round five- 6%.    OR Picks to get a starter   R1=   3.3..........R2= 5.7...............R3= 7.9..............R4= 9.2........R5= 15.    It just seemed like a good place to top. Also highly skilled positions, like QB and WR have a high bust rate and those people are often drafted in the first round- But than OT's are pretty reliable,  I don't know how to figure all that out.

 

Now if we do add the 3rd round, then the idea that RB's are drafted "high" doesn't change too much. A lot of the picks now go to interior line, and tight end

Lets add in the third round (I rechecked this)

Wider receivers= 4. B.Edwards, D Duvenay, Bowden & Gibson

Offensive tackle= 4 J.Jones, Viang, Peart, & T.Phillips

Running back= 3 Vaugh, Evans & Moss

Centers= 2 Cushenberry, Kennessy

Guard= 2 D.Lewis & J.Jackson

Tight end= 4 Deguara, Asoaso. Keene & Trautman

 

position	no.	Drafted 1-96	drafted/spots
QB	1	5	5.0
TE	1	5	5.0
RB	1	9	9.0
C	1	3	3.0
G	2	3	1.5
OT	2	11	5.5
WR	3	17	5.7

Runnng backs are still drafted more per playing spot than other offensive positions.

 

I am wondering if we are starting to see a change in the role of the running back change to what used to be called a scatback.  A small shifty guy with speed. But now he will be expected to work as a wide receiver as well as carrying the ball.  Edwards-Halaire got drafted in the first round by the SB champ.  Swift was supposed to be a first rounder and went 3rd in the second round. Gibson is listed as a WR and the 'Skins were criticized for taking him so early, but he also was listed as a WR/RB and maybe the "hybrid back" is a new trend.  I hope Moss can play some of that role.

 

 

 

 

[BuffaloHokie13]

@maryland-bills-fan

 

Didn't want to quote the whole thing again. I wonder how much the average shelf life of positions plays into that as well. RB likely is the shortest on O, which would increase their draft demand some.

[billsfan_34]

On 4/24/2020 at 11:01 PM, Joe in Winslow said:

DOn't hate it!

 

Better by a mile than Gore or Yeldon.

 

I love it! I wanted a bruising back - Dillon and Taylor but Moss is a stud! Yeldon I think will be our 3 and in on some passing downs. Mr Rugby guy will stay on the PS unless he really develops which is a nice problem to have. Taiwan gets the axe unless there is an injury in the backfield or special teamer.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...hard not to believe the Moss signing as well as the UDFA FB (and St'er) leave Wade and DiMarco on the outside looking in......

[noacls]

3 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...hard not to believe the Moss signing as well as the UDFA FB (and St'er) leave Wade and DiMarco on the outside looking in......

Wade has a roster exemption will be on practice squad at the least. 

Stay safe and healthy!

[3rdand12]

20 hours ago, Bob in STL said:

I keep looking at his film and I like him even more.  He is a physical beast and He really compliments Singletary well.  
 

I would love it if we could impose our will on teams by running.  I known the game has changed -“evolved” - but 2 backs that could hurt another team is nice to have.  

yep !

21 minutes ago, noacls said:

Wade has a roster exemption will be on practice squad at the least. 

Stay safe and healthy!

and Dimarco is ST Ace i believe. be surprised if both were not Bills this season coming

[stinky finger]

20 hours ago, DJB said:

Was this tweeted yet?

 

 

That's a pretty strong statement as far as his usage goes. We can expect likely a split time share. 

 

Honestly - I'd expect nothing less. 

[CNYfan]

I watched the Mark Waldman piece about Zack Moss on Youtube on the big screen last night.   

 

I was left with the impression that Devin will be 1A in this committee.  But there is much to like.  Strong in pass protection, tough and fluid running, holds on tight with a real emphasis on keeping that Duke safe.  .   

 

I think we will be able to run the ball more effectively next year.  

Edited April 28, 2020 by CNYfan
fat thumbs

[stinky finger]

2 hours ago, billsfan_34 said:

I love it! I wanted a bruising back - Dillon and Taylor but Moss is a stud! Yeldon I think will be our 3 and in on some passing downs. Mr Rugby guy will stay on the PS unless he really develops which is a nice problem to have. Taiwan gets the axe unless there is an injury in the backfield or special teamer.

 

I was a Dillon guy myself. I wasn't familiar with Moss, only what others have mentioned here. Any clips I've seen, he's a bruiser.

 

We're going to enjoy riding this horse.

2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...hard not to believe the Moss signing as well as the UDFA FB (and St'er) leave Wade and DiMarco on the outside looking in......

 

I not sure they're even allowed to look. 

[Rampage]

23 hours ago, Bob in STL said:

I keep looking at his film and I like him even more.  He is a physical beast and He really compliments Singletary well.  
 

I would love it if we could impose our will on teams by running.  I known the game has changed -“evolved” - but 2 backs that could hurt another team is nice to have.  

Not too sure it’s “evolved” so to speak. The run game is as important as ever, and if you can get a team to load the box you can burn them. Virtually all the best teams last year were in the Top 10 in running the football. Obviously if you have the quarterback to go with that you’re golden.

[BuffaloBob]

I’m looking forward to having a reliable RB to whom we can give the ball on 3rd and 4th once in a while so Josh doesn’t have to sneak it every time.  I’d like see Josh’s exposure to big hits significantly reduced this year. 

 

He should be both more effective, as well as less vulnerable to injury, by reducing his need for carries.

Edited April 28, 2020 by BuffaloBob

[Lurker]

Of all the games I watched Moss play, the "Holy War" against BYU last August gives a great idea of what he can bring to the Bills.    He was dynamic (29 carries, 187 yards, 1 TD) but also showed a few of his limitations (i.e., don't run him lateral to the LOS, he runs a bit upright, which causes him to absorb a lot of punishment).

 

It's a complete game tape, but worth the time to watch...

 

 

Edited April 28, 2020 by Lurker

[Prickly Pete]

Singletary had 530 snaps in 12 games (of his rookie season). Frank Gore had 370 in 16 games, and TJ Yeldon 160 in 6 games.

 

 I expect Moss and Singletary to alternate series starts, and end up about even in snap counts (maybe a bit more for Singletary). It should be pretty competitive, with each guy wanting to keep up with the other's level of play.

 

I'm very excited to see this tandem, and if they start putting them both out there, it could add a whole new dimension to the offense.

 

It could be be a way more versatile offense that could run out the clock better, deal with poor passing weather, and just generally give them more options to take advantage of an opponents weaknesses. They could have a real running threat EVERY down for a complete drive, no need to let up while the No. 1 recovers after a couple runs. That puts a lot of pressure on a defense.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 28, 2020 by 32ABBA

[tcampbell104]

On 4/26/2020 at 7:14 PM, 3rdand12 said:

 

 : )

 best  band ever though for real.
just very not my thing.
Bob Dylan wrote the rolling stone song didn't he ?

 

the name of the band came from a Muddy Waters song called i'm a rolling stone

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

14 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...hard not to believe the Moss signing as well as the UDFA FB (and St'er) leave Wade and DiMarco on the outside looking in......

 

As a development player Wade will probably make the PS again. 

[ehfeuh57]

4 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

As a development player Wade will probably make the PS again. 

 

ridiculous

 

you roster him or cut him, he's not exactly young

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, DrDare said:

 

ridiculous

 

you roster him or cut him, he's not exactly young

 

 

I think you are missing the point of the Intentional player program first of all. And age?  Many RB's with heave workloads play into their 30's 

 

https://buffalowdown.com/2020/01/06/buffalo-bills-christian-wade-among-ten-signed-contracts/

 

There is no question that fans will be most excited to see what Christian Wade is able to do this summer and into preseason. He joined the Bills last year as part of the NFL International Player Pathway Program after a career in rugby.

 

The transition seemed to be almost seamless for Wade as he took his first career carry for a 65-yard touchdown against the Indianapolis Colts in the first preseason game. It will be interesting to see how Wade has developed over the year while with the Bills.

[billsfan89]

2 hours ago, DrDare said:

 

ridiculous

 

you roster him or cut him, he's not exactly young

 

 

 

He doesn't have a long injury history or a lot of wear and tear on his body like a typical NFL player. He is 29 this season, if he gets on the PS for one more year he can make the roster at 30 and have a 2-4 year career fairly realistically. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

while nothing is guaranteed we just don't know what the Bills will do

 

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/02/20/bills-talk-up-the-potential-of-rugby-player-christian-wade/

Bills quarterback Josh Allen said he thinks he may be playing with Wade in a regular-season game this year.

[BigBuff423]

Michelle Magdziuk broke down some PFF information several days BEFORE the Draft, and before anyone asks - the team she loves is the Steelers, regarding RBs and while I'm not good at the Twitter link stuff I'll do my best as I think it's enlightening at the very least:

 

Michelle Magdziuk ⁦‪@BallBlastEm⁩   PFF put out an article stating that the metrics below were the most important when projecting RBs going from college to the NFL: Rushing grade Missed tackles/att Yards after contact/att Rec grade Yds/Route Run I went back a few RB classes to see how accurate this is. WOW!   4/17/20, 7:59 PM

 

 

 

Michelle Magdziuk

⁦‪@BallBlastEm⁩

PFF put out an article stating that the metrics below were the most important when projecting RBs going from college to the NFL:

Rushing grade
Missed tackles/att
Yards after contact/att
Rec grade
Yds/Route Run

I went back a few RB classes to see how accurate this is. WOW!

 

4/17/20, 7:59 PM

 

I gathered the metrics above for 53 Total RBs - every RB drafted in Rounds 1-4 from 2017-2019 & the majority of RBs expected to be drafted in 2020. (All top RB prospects included).

*All metrics from COLLEGE (NOT FROM THE NFL)*

 

4/17/20, 7:59 PM

 

Then, I ranked them out 1-53 for each metric based on their college stats. (1= best in that metric, 53 = worst in that metric)

I totaled the rankings for each metric, for each player, and calculated the AVERAGE ranking for all of these metrics combined.

 

A perfect score would be a 1 - which no one got.

The lowest possible score would be 53 - which one got insanely close to it.?

 

4/17/20, 7:59 PM

 

 

Michelle Magdziuk

⁦‪@BallBlastEm⁩

The very best-ranked player (by far) from the 2017-2020 classes was Zack Moss - his average ranking for all metrics was 2.5!

The very worst-ranked player (by far) from the 2017-2020 classes was Kalen Ballage - his average ranking for all metrics was 52.8! - LOL. ?

 

Michelle Magdziuk ⁦‪@BallBlastEm⁩ Top 10 in Average Ranking: Zack Moss* - 2.5!? Jonathan Taylor* - 7.75 Darrell Henderson - 8.25 Dalvin Cook - 8.75 Joe Mixon - 11.75 Kareem Hunt - 12 Josh Jacobs - 13 Rashaad Penny - 14.5 AJ Dillon* - 15.5 Saquon Barkley - 16.5 * = 2020 RB Class # = Average ranking per metric   Bottom 10: Benny Snell - 38.25 Alexander Mattison - 39 D'Onta Foreman - 39 Samaje Perine - 40.25 Wayne Gallman - 40.5 Justice Hill - 40.75 Leonard Fournette - 40.75? Anthony McFarland* - 40.75 Joe Williams - 45 Kalen Ballage - 52.75 * = 2020 RB Class # = Average ranking/metric It seems like there really is a STRONG correlation between those metrics and success in the #NFL. Believe it, don't believe it, I just wanted to show how accurate these grades and metrics have been over the years. Disclaimer: I just used OVERALL TOTAL GRADE for each player instead of ranking Run Grade and Receiving Grade separately. - I couldn't get access to 2020 Receiving grades for RBs   4/17/20, 7:59 PM

[HappyDays]

Interesting data but any analysis that has AJ Dillion ranked higher than Saquon Barkley is worthless in my book.

[TwistofFate]

Im sooo pumped up about this kid.  Burst, power, and balance. I think he may shock people with his game speed. 

 

I cant wait until these new players can hit the field!