Beane has a history of trading up for the right player. Who would he move up for if they keep dropping?

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

8 minutes ago, purple haze said:

Smoke is a FA after next season.  Since this is a deep draft for WR now would be a good time to draft a young WR to develop.  Shenault and Pittman play Special Teams.  Claypoole as well.  So they can help even if they aren't getting a lot of snaps on offense.   I expect to see Beane draft one, I just don't know if it would be in round 2.

Agreed. Shenault is way ahead of those two for me though. His YAC ability is elite and catch radius/hand strength is perfect for Allen.
 

One of the guys from the draft network had him as his #2 receiver behind Lamb and ahead of Jeudy and Ruggs. The case he made on his podcast has me wanting Shenault badly. (His 4.58 40 time was due to the injury btw)

11 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

I won’t quibble much with the idea that Edge or RB might be better picks, but to call Dugger a safety or to see he’ll only contribute on special teams this year is inaccurate and shows that you don’t understand how they would be using him.

he hasn’t shown much coverage ability apparently. If he falls to the 3rd maybe I’d be ok with him depending on who else is available. 
 

but his age, small school, and lack of coverage tape is just too many question marks for me. 

[Kmart128]

1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:

I don’t understand why people are so opposed to him... 

 

When it comes to defensive picks... I’ll defer to McBeane every time. 

I have no problem with Dugger as a player. I think he will be a good player and even McDermott will get the most out of him. My issue is secondary is last on my want list. Most of our additions in free agency has been defensive except for Daryl Williams and Diggs. We need to keep building our offense. And if we do go defense then it needs to be an edge rusher

[Formerly Allan in MD]

I fully trust Beane to move up in two to get his man.  Hopefully, it will be Dobbin, Akers, Diggs, or an edge rusher.  If we don't get a back in two, I want the kid from Applachian State late in two or in three.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

I could see moving for and edge or a corner (TreD insurance in case he wants something the bills don’t offer) 

40 minutes ago, BobChalmers said:

 

ZERO safeties were taken in round 1.  Dugger will be there in the third.

 Right the top guy sat was one of Kipers BPA for the bottom half of the first round. 

[Rico]

1 hour ago, glazeduck said:

Genuine question for those who are wanting Gross-Matos -- have you watched him play? Or is the excitement about him based solely off of website rankings?

 

That guy is not going to be a good NFL player...

Penn Staters are off my board (potential character issues).

[RyanC883]

2 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

I don’t understand why people are so opposed to him... 

 

When it comes to defensive picks... I’ll defer to McBeane every time. 

 

I think it's just that Dugger is likely available w/o trading up?  

[Boatdrinks]

Claypool

[RyanC883]

I'd hope to move up for a CB or RB.  

 

Diggs would be a good move up, IMO.  

 

More instant impact would be RB (Dobbins would be amazing).  

 

I wouldn't move up for an Edge.  Too many ?? for the alleged top guys, that's why they fell, IMO.  I'd rather grab Highsmith or someone similar later in the draft.  

[hjnick]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

With Murphy still in the fold this year, I could see us looking elsewhere.  Keep in mind, Jefferson can also play off the edge.  Hughes and Addison are both good players, who while older, play at a position where talented guys play at a high level into their mid-30s.  
 

We could do a lot worse than Hughes, Addison, Murphy and Jefferson off the edge, with Oliver, Star, Butler and Phillips up the middle. 
 

Next year, with our 1st Round Pick... I could see us investing high in EDGE. 

I don't know how you 'invest high' when you are picking 32nd...

[eball]

I sure hope the Bills don't wind up with Gross-Matos.  Friend of mine who is a huge PSU fan (and very level headed) told me "I like him, but I'd want better for my NFL team."

[BuffaloRebound]

There’s a couple teams in front of us that don’t have 4th, 5th, or 6th round picks.  I could see Beane giving up day 3 picks to go get his guy.  I think the 3rd rounder is off limits.  

[foreboding]

2 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

I don’t understand why people are so opposed to him... 

 

When it comes to defensive picks... I’ll defer to McBeane every time. 

 Is it it's great having a coach and GM that you can trust?

[SCBills]

Certainly a testament to our coaching staff and front office that they may take a Safety/Linebacker hybrid to add to a top 5 defense that already has two stud young linebackers and a stud safety tandem, and we’re, for the most part, all like... uh, ok... I trust it. 

[LABILLBACKER]

Mims, Taylor or Dobbins. But it cannot cost us that 3rd. Not impressed with Epenesa or Gross-Matos. I'll take a Terrell Lewis in later rounds. 

[stinky finger]

2 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

I don’t understand why people are so opposed to him... 

 

When it comes to defensive picks... I’ll defer to McBeane every time. 

 

Simple.

 

Some here wouldn't be happy with anything Beane does. 

2 hours ago, Estro said:

Listening to Beane, I got the impression he does not want to use his 3rd rounder as ammo in a trade up.  That said, I do think he will spend a 4th or 5th to make a move in the 3rd.  He's shown he gets itchy to move up in the mid rounds as you said

 

I can absolutely see this.

[Antonio]

1 hour ago, glazeduck said:

Genuine question for those who are wanting Gross-Matos -- have you watched him play? Or is the excitement about him based solely off of website rankings?

 

That guy is not going to be a good NFL player...

 

Just breakdowns and highlights but they look really good. Why do you think that? He looks legit to me.

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, glazeduck said:

Genuine question for those who are wanting Gross-Matos -- have you watched him play? Or is the excitement about him based solely off of website rankings?

 

That guy is not going to be a good NFL player...

Exactly, Gross is gross and Epenesa isn't any better. There are no compelling edge guys worthy of a 2nd round pick. Get a great RB2 who could become an RB1 or find a promising wr to replace the B's in a couple years?

[Einstein's Dog]

13 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Mims, Taylor or Dobbins. But it cannot cost us that 3rd. Not impressed with Epenesa or Gross-Matos. I'll take a Terrell Lewis in later rounds. 

Terrell Lewis in later rounds?  He won't be there.  Lucky to have T Lewis at 54, that looks like the pick to me.  Physical specimen who will be over a year removed from his injury.  With another year he will be able to replace Murphy or Hughes.  That's close to a $10 million dollar man on a rookie salary.

 

As to the OP, yes I expect a trade up.  That is adding juice to our 4th round pick to get into the top of the 4th or late 3rd and get the RB they want.  

[Mickey]

Edge guy, maybe a CB or, dare I to hope it, Denzel freaking Mims. I know, I know no need with Claypool and Anthony Golden around later but still...

[buffalostu2]

3 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

It’s Kyle Dugger. Our pick is Kyle Dugger. 

 

A 24 year old guy who played division 2 football?  I don't understand this at all.   I have heard all the big nickel discussion except for how often we would actually have the position on the field.  If you want to go big nickel the better choice is Jeremy Chin

 

 

[John from Riverside]

At this point wouldnt shock me to see him move BACK a few spots

[buffalostu2]

3 hours ago, Allen2Moulds said:

I agree with your list but would replace Diggs with Jaylon Johnson. there's some rumblings about Diggs having a poor work ethic and an attitude of entitlement. I think Diggs will fall to the 3rd.

I like Johnson over Diggs but he has shoulder issues.  We already have a CB with shoulder issues 

[glazeduck]

In truth, unless one player is just vastly ahead of everyone else on our board, we'd be best suited to stay put.

 

5 big wrs: Pittman, Mims, Claypool (PLEEEEASE GOD!!!), Higgins, Viska

4 very talented rbs: Swift, Taylor, Dobbins, Akers

2 cbs who could've easily gone last night: Fulton, Johnson

ditto for edge: Epenesa, Baun

 

The concept I'm more interested is packaging our 3 with other picks and getting 2 of these guys. Let's get greedy!

[buffalostu2]

2 hours ago, glazeduck said:

Genuine question for those who are wanting Gross-Matos -- have you watched him play? Or is the excitement about him based solely off of website rankings?

 

That guy is not going to be a good NFL player...

 

I think Gross- Matos has physical ability but I am more worried about his mental state.  He has had a turbulent life and I am certainly rooting for him but sometimes the mental hurdles and pressure of the NFL can overwhelm a player as we experienced with Dareus.  All the best to him and is career but I don't want to take the chance at pick 54.

[glazeduck]

25 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Exactly, Gross is gross and Epenesa isn't any better. There are no compelling edge guys worthy of a 2nd round pick. Get a great RB2 who could become an RB1 or find a promising wr to replace the B's in a couple years?

I disagree here, actually.

 

Gross is gross, yes. Epenesa is never going to be confused with Jevon Kearse, but I think he's actually a very technically sound, effective football player. Probably will never be a superstar but I could see him being a slightly poor-man's Calais Campbell type. I'd be fine with him in the 2nd -- wouldn't be my first choice -- but he should be an effective/productive enough pro... 

[buffalostu2]

I am definitely against Dugger at 54.    A secondary red zone RB or one who can serve as the primary if Singletary goes down again helps Josh Allen and the offense the most which I believe is still the Bills #1 objective.  I would prefer Taylor or Cam Akers at 54 and then a zone corner like Michael Ojemudia from Iowa at 86

  

 

[jwhit34]

There seems to be a lot of good players left for 2nd round, I would be more inclined to move up in 3rd or trade back into bottom of 3rd. 

[Allen2Moulds]

26 minutes ago, glazeduck said:

In truth, unless one player is just vastly ahead of everyone else on our board, we'd be best suited to stay put.

 

5 big wrs: Pittman, Mims, Claypool (PLEEEEASE GOD!!!), Higgins, Viska

4 very talented rbs: Swift, Taylor, Dobbins, Akers

2 cbs who could've easily gone last night: Fulton, Johnson

ditto for edge: Epenesa, Baun

 

The concept I'm more interested is packaging our 3 with other picks and getting 2 of these guys. Let's get greedy!

I couldn't agree more. Breaking it down like that, it makes a ton of sense. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

38 minutes ago, glazeduck said:

In truth, unless one player is just vastly ahead of everyone else on our board, we'd be best suited to stay put.

 

5 big wrs: Pittman, Mims, Claypool (PLEEEEASE GOD!!!), Higgins, Viska

4 very talented rbs: Swift, Taylor, Dobbins, Akers

2 cbs who could've easily gone last night: Fulton, Johnson

ditto for edge: Epenesa, Baun

 

The concept I'm more interested is packaging our 3 with other picks and getting 2 of these guys. Let's get greedy!

I agree with @Allen2Moulds, great way of breaking it down...

[Allen2Moulds]

My wife and brother inlaw are both Penn State Alumns, and over the last 5-6 years, I've watched a lot of Penn State Football. The number one guy that stuck out the most was obviously Barkley. After that it was Robinson and then Godwin a few years ago. I was hoping for Godwin when we went with Zay. Even on a porous penn state D, Matos has always stood out. Even as a freshman...I would always ask, who's 99, because he was the only one making plays.

He's still a young kid but has the most upside of the guys that are left. He has prototypical size, super athletic, and has been productive. For anyone that knocks him, I don't know what else you would want from a second rounder.

 

But it won't matter because he'll be gone within the 1st couple of picks today.

[Thurman#1]

4 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

It’s Kyle Dugger. Our pick is Kyle Dugger. 

 

 

I really could see this. But a few others too. Terrell Lewis, maybe, if they like him. Mims or Claypool, maybe ...

 

If he does trade up this year, I'd expect it to be a small move.

 

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

At this point wouldnt shock me to see him move BACK a few spots

 

 

I wouldn't mind that either, John, nor would it surprise me.

Edited April 24, 2020 by Thurman#1

[stinky finger]

36 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I think some want the team to add playmakers to the clear weakness last season.... offense. 
 

A safety for a defense that IS ALREADY AMONG THE BEST in the league would be a bit of a let down. 

 

I hear you. And I would be fine with offense as well.  Can never have enough playmakers, I agree. But that's on both sides of the ball. I guess I trust the offensive pieces we currently have more then you. I trust Beane to select a couple of difference makers tonight on either side of the ball.

[purple haze]

2 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

There’s a couple teams in front of us that don’t have 4th, 5th, or 6th round picks.  I could see Beane giving up day 3 picks to go get his guy.  I think the 3rd rounder is off limits.  

I think he's going to use those to get back into the end of the 3rd round.  

[BillsNutHawaii]

5 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

I am guessing that if Espenesa or Gross-Matos drop a few more spots, he may move up to grab one of them.  Personally, I hope we stay put, because there will be plenty of options at 54, but Beane tends to focus on a particular player and make the move when they get close enough for it to be affordable. What do you guys think? Which player would he move up for if they continue to slide?

 

I think you’re spot on with identifying the GM’s approach here.  While I can’t give a name of the player he would move up for, I think the formula the GM would move up on (in the 2nd round) for a player would include the following:

- someone who has a first round grade (Based on GMs methodology).

- someone who is attainable with draft assets we have this year.

- position of need (that’s what - in my opinion - makes it a challenge to determine  what the GM will do today / tomorrow).

In my opinion, value is what will drive who will be drafted and where.  I don’t think there is any other factor here other than value.

 

[JGMcD2]

4 hours ago, BobChalmers said:

 

ZERO safeties were taken in round 1.  Dugger will be there in the third.

So because zero safeties were taken in round 1, that’s means there’s no chance that there is a run on safeties in round 2? or it means that safeties will continue to fall in round 2 and eventually just the entire draft? You’re right... it’s a trend!
 

Make sense. 

[BillsCuse]

3 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

At this point wouldnt shock me to see him move BACK a few spots

Would like this move.  Then maybe use those assets to move up in the 3rd or 4th

[buffaloboyinATL]

3 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

At this point wouldnt shock me to see him move BACK a few spots

I would like this, only because I believe in Beane enough to know it would be a calculated move. If he moved back it would mean he has enough players in mind, compared to the number of picks we moved, to be sure one wioild be there when we pick. I have not always had that same confidence in other Bills GM’s in the past. 

[BillsVet]

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I think some want the team to add playmakers to the clear weakness last season.... offense. 
 

A safety for a defense that IS ALREADY AMONG THE BEST in the league would be a bit of a let down. 

 

An edge rusher is the only position they should be developing on defense right now that could be more important than WR.  I'll emphasize could in that regard.

 

This organization hasn't drafted a WR who could be a starter and I'm starting to think no one there knows what a decent prospect looks like.  They've passed on several, but their lone foray into WR was Zay Jones who is on his way out of the NFL.  Beyond that, their draft investment is late round picks.  

 

The 2nd or 3rd round picks won't break this franchise, but it's a window into how they think big picture in terms of how to win.  Going with more defense is McD being McD. 

 

1 hour ago, BillsNutHawaii said:

 

I think you’re spot on with identifying the GM’s approach here.  While I can’t give a name of the player he would move up for, I think the formula the GM would move up on (in the 2nd round) for a player would include the following:

- someone who has a first round grade (Based on GMs methodology).

- someone who is attainable with draft assets we have this year.

- position of need (that’s what - in my opinion - makes it a challenge to determine  what the GM will do today / tomorrow).

In my opinion, value is what will drive who will be drafted and where.  I don’t think there is any other factor here other than value.

 

They had a first round grade on Cody Ford last year.  Traded up for him to play RT and that's uncertain entering his second year.