Bills trade for Diggs - jw no discussions on a restructure

[BritBill]

Would it be far to say this is another sign McDermott/Beane/Dabol don't have very little faith in rookie receivers? 

1 minute ago, T master said:

 

I would have rather had Deondre Hopkins he's not a me first guy !! If Beane would have given what he gave for Diggs he would've been with the Bills ! 

 

That would have also needed the Texans to want to trade with the Bills and within the AFC. 

[C.Biscuit97]

Well this is exciting 

 

1) we definitely overpaid. Didn’t read the whole thread but is there any discussion if this was offered for d hop?  Because it seems to be a better offer than the Cards gave the Texans and D Hop is the better player.

 

2) for as big of a dork he is, Cousins is a better passer than Allen at this point and Diggs wasn’t happy there.  I hope we don’t have to force balls (?) to him to keep him happy. 
 

3) they certainly knew this was a huge need and filled it.  Hopefully, the weapons excuse for Allen will be done.

 

4) we have the best small receiving core in the NFL. We still need a big receiver (Claypool or Pittman please).

 

5) the pressure is on Allen now.  They have built a team around him so it’s time for training wheels to come off.

[Marshallp29]

Why do people keep comparing this trade to the Texans trade??? Just because Bill O'Brien is terrible at his job does not mean everyone else is. Texans undervalued their asset and it has nothing to do with what the Bills gave up for Diggs. Also their is no indication if Texans wanted to trade Hopkins within AFC.

[Kmart128]

35 minutes ago, Jerboski said:

How many second round (late at that) edge rushers live up to their value? That position almost requires a first round pick to get impact 

Well with Addison signing we dont need an immediate impact from a 2nd round pass rusher. If we can get a DE for Addison and Hughes to mentor i think that is best for the team. We have our starters at the DE position. Need to add a young guy to come learn on the bench

[JoPoy88]

6 minutes ago, BritBill said:

Would it be far to say this is another sign McDermott/Beane/Dabol don't have very little faith in rookie receivers? 

 

 

very fair. After their misadventures with Zay, can you really blame them?

[Lurker]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

If he had gone to the Pats there would be 137 posts about “wish the bills had balls like belichick”

 

And the national media would be all over "the Pats just get it" angle.     With little mention of Diggs potential "diva disruption" influence on team culture or giving up too much draft capital...

 

 

[BritBill]

Just now, JoPoy88 said:

very fair. After their misadventures with Zay, can you really blame them?

 

Not at all. Was Jones a Beane/McD pick or left over from the Ryan/Whaley era? 

[Rc2catch]

1 minute ago, Marshallp29 said:

Why do people keep comparing this trade to the Texans trade??? Just because Bill O'Brien is terrible at his job does not mean everyone else is. Texans undervalued their asset and it has nothing to do with what the Bills gave up for Diggs. Also their is no indication if Texans wanted to trade Hopkins within AFC.

I agree. 
There’s zero chance 20+ other teams in the league would not have offered more than Arizona. 
Just an immature response from people mad we gave up what we did for Diggs and didn’t get Hopkins. Obviously Beane was reaching out for elite level receivers 

[junior]

9 minutes ago, BritBill said:

Would it be far to say this is another sign McDermott/Beane/Dabol don't have very little faith in rookie receivers? 

 

That would have also needed the Texans to want to trade with the Bills and within the AFC. 

 

If they think the window truly is open right now, then you don't have time to wait for a rookie WR to get acclimated to the league. Not everyone can come in and be a Terry McLaurin or OBJ. Stefon Diggs walks in Day 1 as a proven guy who can help Allen get to the next level. 

[thronethinker]

Has there been any comment from Diggs on coming to the Bills?

[buffaloboyinATL]

6 minutes ago, T master said:

 

I would have rather had Deondre Hopkins he's not a me first guy !! If Beane would have given what he gave for Diggs he would've been with the Bills ! 

There is no way of knowing how big of a factor David Johnson was in their decision.  If they think he is their "Derrick Henry", they may have valued him as worth more than the #22 pick in this draft. Houston's GM/coach is a wild card and assuming you know what deal he would prefer is foolish. 

[JoPoy88]

3 minutes ago, BritBill said:

 

Not at all. Was Jones a Beane/McD pick or left over from the Ryan/Whaley era? 

McBeane pick

[Lurker]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

Diggs wasn’t happy in Minny because he didn’t get the ball enough.  I can’t imagine he is going to be any happier here. 

 

IDK.   I took it that he was unhappy with Cousins' casper milktoast dink and dunk game being too conservative.    Now that he's got the ultimate gunslinger with a big arm for his QB, he has a lot more chances to make the big splash plays that he excels at...

[PIZ]

1 minute ago, thronethinker said:

Has there been any comment from Diggs on coming to the Bills?

 

Yes. He is pumped. Diggs tweeted that he was ready last night, to Josh Allen.

[thebandit27]

2 minutes ago, thronethinker said:

Has there been any comment from Diggs on coming to the Bills?

He tweeted “Let’s get it” Josh Allen. Seems ready to roll.

[PIZ]

7 minutes ago, Marshallp29 said:

Why do people keep comparing this trade to the Texans trade??? Just because Bill O'Brien is terrible at his job does not mean everyone else is. Texans undervalued their asset and it has nothing to do with what the Bills gave up for Diggs. Also their is no indication if Texans wanted to trade Hopkins within AFC.

 

I think Bill O'Brien wanted Hopkins off the team. Lots of tension between the 2. Also, who knows what is going on behind closed doors, and who knows if there is something the media / fans don't know?

[BritBill]

2 minutes ago, junior12thman92 said:

 

If they think the window truly is open right now, then you don't have time to wait for a rookie WR to get acclimated to the league. Not everyone can come in and be a Terry McLaurin or OBJ. Stefon Diggs walks in Day 1 as a proven guy who can help Allen get to the next level. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the trade. It just made me think this backs up my theory the current Bills decision makers aren't overly enamoured with rookie WRs. 

[CountDorkula]

16 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Right....love Diggs but we could've had Hopkins (who is better) for alot less? We still have no size at wr if Duke is cut?

No, the bills couldnt have.

 

Bill O Brian is an idiot. He did not shop Hopkins, he traded him to AZ with zero shopping done. 

Hopkins was not coming to an AFC team

 

The Pats also inquired on Hopkins. They didn't get him. The Pats inquired on Diggs, the Bills got him.

1 minute ago, PIZ said:

 

I think Bill O'Brien wanted Hopkins off the team. Lots of tension between the 2. Also, who knows what is going on behind closed doors, and who knows if there is something the media / fans don't know?

No Bill o Brien is just bad at his job. There is no underlying thing here.

 

BOB has traded players that don't fit his "Culture". aka who disagree with him.

 

The Texans are a mess. Have 1 pick in the first two rounds in the next two years, are an old team and just traded their best player.

 

[Lurker]

35 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said:

They'll likely move up from 54 if there's a DE they like imo

 

Yeah, I'd expect Beane to try to move up to the top of Round 2, even if he has to give up 2021 picks to do so.   

 

The window is open NOW.     Got to climb through it... 

[One Buffalo]

9 minutes ago, thronethinker said:

Has there been any comment from Diggs on coming to the Bills?

 

 

[1st&ten]

Don't like this deal-----

 

[K-9]

13 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Well this is exciting 

 

1) we definitely overpaid. Didn’t read the whole thread but is there any discussion if this was offered for d hop?  Because it seems to be a better offer than the Cards gave the Texans and D Hop is the better player.

 

2) for as big of a dork he is, Cousins is a better passer than Allen at this point and Diggs wasn’t happy there.  I hope we don’t have to force balls (?) to him to keep him happy. 
 

3) they certainly knew this was a huge need and filled it.  Hopefully, the weapons excuse for Allen will be done.

 

4) we have the best small receiving core in the NFL. We still need a big receiver (Claypool or Pittman please).

 

5) the pressure is on Allen now.  They have built a team around him so it’s time for training wheels to come off.

Now the pressure is on Allen? Now? You and everyone else who hated the pick have put the pressure on Allen from the moment he was selected in the draft. That said, every starting QB in the NFL is under pressure, regardless. 

[Rc2catch]

1 minute ago, 1st&ten said:

Don't like this deal-----

 

Why? 

[Braedenstearns]

Texans screwed themselves, you can’t compare the 2 trades. I believe what we got Diggs for was good for a #1 WR!

 

another point to mention is that there was supposedly other teams interested in him, so you can assume there was possibly a bidding war going on as well, hence we may have had to spend more then what you would think 

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, BritBill said:

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the trade. It just made me think this backs up my theory the current Bills decision makers aren't overly enamoured with rookie WRs. 

I don’t think they were enamored with who would probably be there at 22 to fill the role they want Diggs to fill. They need to evaluate and provide a real top WR to Allen now, not wait to see if a guy can become what Diggs already is 

[OldTimer1960]

38 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said:

They'll likely move up from 54 if there's a DE they like imo

Unlike many, I'm not opposed to trading up if they have someone rated much higher than other prospects at a position of need, but unless they give up their 3rd rounder, they don't have the ammo to move very far up in round 2.  Giving up their 4th rounder and pick 54 might get them to 48 or 49.

[MAJBobby]

 

[YoloinOhio]

26 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Right....love Diggs but we could've had Hopkins (who is better) for alot less? We still have no size at wr if Duke is cut?

Why do they need a “size” guy to begin with? One thing that I like that Beane/McDermott have done is that they identified early on what style of WR Allen works best w/, separation, and have actively chased that style instead of buying into the basketball theory of building the position (1 tall, 1 speed, etc). McDermott said it pretty succinctly. He wants a guy who can catch the ball. Diggs has the highest contested catch percentage in the league I believe for multiple years. And his route running/separation  is so filthy they show replays of it during games even when he doesn’t get the ball.

 

if you look at the two teams that played in the SB, neither had a “size” guy at WR. They had size at TE which the Bills do as well. I also expect them to add another WR in the draft so TBD on height there.

Edited March 17, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[BillsFan17]

There is something to be said, in a historically deep draft, two teams many pegged to go WR in the first, traded for established WRs.

 

Not saying it is a knock on the class, because especially in our case, I still think we snag one regardless. 

 

But there is food for thought as to why we both choose to go proven instead.

30 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Right....love Diggs but we could've had Hopkins (who is better) for alot less? We still have no size at wr if Duke is cut?

Says who? By the looks of the trade, OB valued David Johnson. Stupid as it may be, it's pretty clear that was the main get back for the Texans.

 

What makes you think we would have had what they wanted?

 

Or that the price wouldn't be higher without having the RB involved 

[Rc2catch]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Why do they need a “size” guy to begin with? One thing that I like that Beane/McDermott have done is that they identified early on what style of WR Allen works best w/, separation, and have actively chased that style instead of buying into the basketball theory of building the position (1 tall, 1 speed, etc). McDermott said it pretty succinctly. He wants a guy who can catch the ball. Diggs has the highest contested catch percentage in the league I believe for multiple years. And his route running/separation  is so filthy they show replays of it during games even when he doesn’t get the ball.

Well said well said. 
Chiefs receivers were all around the same size as buffalo. Weapons are weapons despite height and once you have 4-5 weapons your offense becomes pretty unstoppable. We now have 4-5 legit weapons in this offense. 

Edited March 17, 2020 by Rc2catch

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Reed83HOF]

 

[Alphadawg7]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I am absolutely fine with this trade. We wanted to use that 1st round pick to find a top end receiver and the draft wasn't quite lining up that way in terms of likely value at that spot. 

 

Diggs is proven, he is 26 and in his prime and he has a contract which frankly is a bargain the next 4 years. 

 

What is not to like? 

 

Oh and the people saying "Diggs is like John Brown" really, really, really need to watch some film of Stefon Diggs. 

For real, people are crazy if they think they are the same player.  
 

Watching a highlight tape of him will quickly show Diggs is elite route runner and plays quite big and is open even when not open.  He leads NFL since 2017 in contested catches for a reason.  
 

Beane had himself one hell of a day 1.  

[NoHuddleKelly12]

I couldn’t be more thrilled with the Bills pulling this off in view of what we clearly needed most last year to take that next step—you may quibble about price versus draft moves, but this is Whaley-level fun splash but guided by an actual progression plan that fits and instantly makes us better as a whole. Now if we can just keep the guys healthy and start our season off on time, look out AFC!!

Edited March 17, 2020 by NoHuddleKelly12

[JerseyBills]

Alot of Vikings fans are saying they fleeced us, they're speaking off raw emotion.

 

Going back on Twitter and YouTube , the fans wanted to keep him , looked at him as superior to Thielen. When he started sending cryptic tweets, fans said they'd want a 1 and 3 at least. He's an elite talent. 

[Reed83HOF]

1 hour ago, stevewin said:

Equally notable is that the very top WRs in this draft wouldnt have been avail at 18

I have been banging the drum pretty loud for one of the top 3 (hit the ground running faster), but you cannot dislike this move at all. A proven 26 yr old WR for pick $18 on a very team friendly deal that will at some point soon require a bump up in pay, he is a win now player.

[Coach Tuesday]

I’ll say it again:  Antonio Brown is the closest comp (as a player).  Elite route running, hyper competitiveness, insane hands, feet and body control.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

For real, people are crazy if they think they are the same player.  
 

Watching a highlight tape of him will quickly show Diggs is elite route runner and plays quite big and is open even when not open.  He leads NFL since 2017 in contested catches for a reason.  
 

Beane had himself one hell of a day 1.  

 

I love the Diggs deal. I am a bit more lukewarm on Klein and Addison. I can see some of the reasoning neither are guys I am all that high on. I expect them to both be those Beane type deals that they can get out of after 1 year though 

[Reed83HOF]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I love the Diggs deal. I am a bit more lukewarm on Klein and Addison. I can see some of the reasoning neither are guys I am all that high on. I expect them to both be those Beane type deals that they can get out of after 1 year though 

mostly plug the gap guys, Edge is a big concern going forward and I think will be our first pick in the draft minus a big signing/trade

[CountDorkula]

31 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

Why? 

Cause there is a guy who i have barely seen play that could be available in the 5-6 rd who will more than likely be out of the league or playing XFL ball if it still exists in about 2-3 years