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5 minutes ago, Buffalo86 said:

Anyone heard a word about Breshad Perriman?  All I can find are blogs from assorted fan sites saying team X should sign him.  

 

 

 

 

Just thought about him the other day.  Wondering if Tampa could be an option now with Brady but definitely someone that I was hoping the Bills would look into.

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9 minutes ago, Buffalo86 said:

Anyone heard a word about Breshad Perriman?  All I can find are blogs from assorted fan sites saying team X should sign him.  

 

 

 

I think teams are scared to give him guaranteed money. He had a mini breakout last season, but flamed out in other places and was available on waivers twice this past season. I like the player and he’s got some impressive upside, but where do you place his value? Teams keep getting burned on the Paul Richardson, Dobte Moncreif, Allen Hurns upside play and I think they are scared to do the same with Perriman. 

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40 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:


They currently have 4 tackles with starting experience under contract in Dawkins/Nsekhe/Ford/Waddle. Definitely see RB and safety as needs, as well as a CB.

 

Really hoping that they have a backup QB in mind to draft.

 

Unfortunately, the Waddle news wasn't real.  He's still UFA

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NFL Network's Mike Garafolo noted Wednesday that Clowney hasn't found the market he expected. The Seahawks' offer could be the best he'll get, Garafolo added.

Seattle has insisted it's wanted Clowney back but wasn't going to hit the stratosphere with the offer for the edge rusher.

The pass-rusher market mostly got wiped out by the franchise tag, leaving Clowney as the top prize in free agency. After the Colts gave up a premium first-round pick and a $21 million per-year deal for DeForest Buckner (who, to be fair, would have ranked higher than Clowney had he been a free agent), one would have expected Clowney's market to explode.

The Giants and Colts have been reported to be interested, but both already added pass rushers. Either could circle back, and there are several other teams who could use a pocket-pusher like Clowney, but his market could be smaller due to questions about health.

When healthy, Clowney can be a menace off the edge. He's brilliant against the run, and bullies tackles. Sure, his sack numbers might be lower than you'd expect for a top-of-the-line rusher, but he proved in Seattle last season he can disrupt a game and batter a QB.

Health could be playing a role in keeping Clowney's market from skyrocketing to where he expected. While he's overcome the early-career injury issues, he missed two games and battled through a core injury last season.

The NFL's current directive and restrictions on conducting physicals could be a big reason teams might be skittish on paying a truckload for Clowney without having their own medical personnel take a look.

While other defenders get their bag, Clowney might have to take a more patient approach if he wants to finally get that massive payday he's been seeking.

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Jets seem to be taking a very judicious approach to FA after making it rain on a LB and RB last year.  So far, they've kind of done what we did with our OL last year, just with worse players.... re-upped G Alex Lewis and signed C McGovern and OT Fant.

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1 minute ago, SCBills said:

Jets seem to be taking a very judicious approach to FA after making it rain on a LB and RB last year.  So far, they've kind of done what we did with our OL last year, just with worse players.... re-upped G Alex Lewis and signed C McGovern and OT Fant.

Star had 2 sacks all of last year and one was beating McGovern ?

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1 minute ago, SCBills said:

Jets seem to be taking a very judicious approach to FA after making it rain on a LB and RB last year.  So far, they've kind of done what we did with our OL last year, just with worse players.... re-upped G Alex Lewis and signed C McGovern and OT Fant.

They swung for the fences and missed on most of the key guys they were initially after. The NJ Jets are going to be a hard sell to anyone as long as Gase is HC after the way they treated players last season, the locker room unrest, the trade deadline fiasco, and the way they handled players with injuries (fines and telling them to put off surgeries). I'm good with that. I hope they re-up Gase for another 5 years. :lol:

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  T Brian Bulaga signed for just 10 per and G Graham Glasgow for 11 per, They were top 3 free agents at their positions and I really wish the Bills were in on that. A lot of people seem okay with putting the same line out there as last year. I thought the unit was below average and was hoping a stud guard and/or rt were going to be Bills targets.

  Counting on Ford to make a big leap and the unit to improve significantly based on continuity is a risk. The money they gave to underforming Butler would have gotten one of these guys. Who knows, maybe they tried. It just seems that their focus has been on the d line more than the o line.

 Don't get me wrong, I think these guys are doing a good job. I'm just concerned the line won't be good enough.

 

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I'm thrilled his market is soft. We still probably won't even wade into those shallower waters though I'd expect

We need more defensive tackles.?

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24 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

I'm thrilled his market is soft. We still probably won't even wade into those shallower waters though I'd expect

I think it’s because teams want their own medical info on him. They can do deals pending physicals but since no one knows when that would be lifted it would be a lot of pending $ tied up while you wait 

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9 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

  T Brian Bulaga signed for just 10 per and G Graham Glasgow for 11 per, They were top 3 free agents at their positions and I really wish the Bills were in on that. A lot of people seem okay with putting the same line out there as last year. I thought the unit was below average and was hoping a stud guard and/or rt were going to be Bills targets.

  Counting on Ford to make a big leap and the unit to improve significantly based on continuity is a risk. The money they gave to underforming Butler would have gotten one of these guys. Who knows, maybe they tried. It just seems that their focus has been on the d line more than the o line.

 Don't get me wrong, I think these guys are doing a good job. I'm just concerned the line won't be good enough.

 

We need more defensive tackles.?


Not much out there if you really want a true starter, maybe a Cordy Glenn reunion or Darryl Williams. Those guys are going to want to go where they can start. But there are some depth swing guys like Joe Haeg, LaRaven Clark, Germaine Ifedi, James Hurst...those guys are pretty versatile and give you some functional depth. Haeg and Clark are former Colts as well. Plus Waddle is available as well. 
 

I think they let Ford develop and give him another year. He had ups and downs, a lot of downs, but he flashed. You don’t move him inside until he proves he can’t play tackle, and he is not there yet. Plus Nsehke is the ultimate insurance policy.

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16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think it’s because teams want their own medical info on him. They can do deals pending physicals but since no one knows when that would be lifted it would be a lot of pending $ tied up while you wait 

 

True, considering he was dealing with a core muscle issue last year, but I don't know that we'd be offering him the kind of money he's expecting even if everything checked out. 

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21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think it’s because teams want their own medical info on him. They can do deals pending physicals but since no one knows when that would be lifted it would be a lot of pending $ tied up while you wait 


Are teams allowed to fly to players and give them a physical? Or is that prohibited as well?

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16 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:


Not much out there if you really want a true starter, maybe a Cordy Glenn reunion or Darryl Williams. Those guys are going to want to go where they can start. But there are some depth swing guys like Joe Haeg, LaRaven Clark, Germaine Ifedi, James Hurst...those guys are pretty versatile and give you some functional depth. Haeg and Clark are former Colts as well. Plus Waddle is available as well. 
 

I think they let Ford develop and give him another year. He had ups and downs, a lot of downs, but he flashed. You don’t move him inside until he proves he can’t play tackle, and he is not there yet. Plus Nsehke is the ultimate insurance policy.

I agree.

  Bulaga and Glasgow were the guys I was interested in and was just surprised at the reasonable deals they signed.

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30 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

  T Brian Bulaga signed for just 10 per and G Graham Glasgow for 11 per, They were top 3 free agents at their positions and I really wish the Bills were in on that. A lot of people seem okay with putting the same line out there as last year. I thought the unit was below average and was hoping a stud guard and/or rt were going to be Bills targets.

  Counting on Ford to make a big leap and the unit to improve significantly based on continuity is a risk. The money they gave to underforming Butler would have gotten one of these guys. Who knows, maybe they tried. It just seems that their focus has been on the d line more than the o line.

 Don't get me wrong, I think these guys are doing a good job. I'm just concerned the line won't be good enough.

 

We need more defensive tackles.?

Well, if a quality RT falls to us at 54, say Prince Tega Wanogho I could see us drafting him and sliding Ford inside. I want Taylor or Dobbins but they’ll likely be gone. Probably be DE or RT there.

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10 minutes ago, TOboy said:

Seems to be prohibited at this time

Tom Pelliseiro reported this yesterday.  There's a hold on players traveling to team facilities as well as team officials traveling to players.  No physicals being conducted.

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1 hour ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

I'm thrilled his market is soft. We still probably won't even wade into those shallower waters though I'd expect

I think Gordon is going to find out the same thing.  He is going to end up with a lot less money than what he expected.

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12 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

Well, if a quality RT falls to us at 54, say Prince Tega Wanogho I could see us drafting him and sliding Ford inside. I want Taylor or Dobbins but they’ll likely be gone. Probably be DE or RT there.

Where would Ford slide inside to? Is he a better guard than Spain or Feliciano? Ford was a 2nd round OT last year. I think if you draft another OT in the 2nd round you may get someone exactly like Ford. 

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5 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said:

Where would Ford slide inside to? Is he a better guard than Spain or Feliciano? Ford was a 2nd round OT last year. I think if you draft another OT in the 2nd round you may get someone exactly like Ford. 

Agree 100%, although I'd say "theoretically" Ford has more upside than both Spain and JF at guard. We must also remember: OL typically make a big jump from year 1 to 2, and this is more true than ever today esp with the style of the current college game.

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4 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said:

Where would Ford slide inside to? Is he a better guard than Spain or Feliciano? Ford was a 2nd round OT last year. I think if you draft another OT in the 2nd round you may get someone exactly like Ford. 

I don’t think so. There was a run on tackles last year and Ford was one of the last ones off the board. Prince Tega Wanogho would be incredible if available. Ford goes to RG, JF backs up all three interior positions.

 

I’m not against starting Ford at RT neither, so long as he earns it in camp. He’s a mauler and has value as a road grader.

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1 hour ago, Turk71 said:

  T Brian Bulaga signed for just 10 per and G Graham Glasgow for 11 per, They were top 3 free agents at their positions and I really wish the Bills were in on that. A lot of people seem okay with putting the same line out there as last year. I thought the unit was below average and was hoping a stud guard and/or rt were going to be Bills targets.

  Counting on Ford to make a big leap and the unit to improve significantly based on continuity is a risk. The money they gave to underforming Butler would have gotten one of these guys. Who knows, maybe they tried. It just seems that their focus has been on the d line more than the o line.

 Don't get me wrong, I think these guys are doing a good job. I'm just concerned the line won't be good enough.

 

I hear you.  It is definitely a risk going into the season with Cody Ford at Right Tackle.

But at some point, you need to let your high draft picks play, work out the kinks and hopefully step forward.

 

Going into last season, there were lots of Bills fans concerned about Middle Linebacker.  But Tremaine Edmunds took a significant step in his development, and the position is now considered one of our strengths.

 

It's one thing to have a fallback option (which I believe Ty Nsekhe and possibly another veteran free agent will end up being).  But once we re-signed Quinton Spain, it was highly unlikely we were going to throw big bucks at one of the RTs on the market.

 

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27 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said:

Where would Ford slide inside to? Is he a better guard than Spain or Feliciano? Ford was a 2nd round OT last year. I think if you draft another OT in the 2nd round you may get someone exactly like Ford. 

Or you may get someone like Dawkins. Not too bad ay?

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17 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

The Titans trade Jurrell Casey??? WTF!!! He is the best player on their defense year in and year out. Man I hate that team and their personnel decisions. 

 

This is why it's ridiculous when people claim the "salary cap doesn't matter" and you only need to be creative with structuring contracts.

Once everyone is seeking a huge contract, you can't keep them all.

 

The Titans made the decision to pay Ryan Tannehill and franchise Derrick Henry, and just didn't have the money to keep Casey on the books.

In my opinion, they made the wrong decision.  They should have franchised Tannehill to see if he could replicate last season, let Henry walk and kept Casey.  But what do I know?

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5 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

This is why it's ridiculous when people claim the "salary cap doesn't matter" and you only need to be creative with structuring contracts.

Once everyone is seeking a huge contract, you can't keep them all.

 

The Titans made the decision to pay Ryan Tannehill and franchise Derrick Henry, and just didn't have the money to keep Casey on the books.

In my opinion, they made the wrong decision.  They should have franchised Tannehill to see if he could replicate last season, let Henry walk and kept Casey.  But what do I know?

Even with everything they have and signing tannehill I thought they had plenty of money left to extend henry and keep everyone. They already cut lewis, walker and wake freeing up lots of cap. I can’t justify any reasoning to give Casey away for nothing. Him and Henry are the only reasons I watch the titans. My kinda gritty players 

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Even with everything they have and signing tannehill I thought they had plenty of money left to extend henry and keep everyone. They already cut lewis, walker and wake freeing up lots of cap. I can’t justify any reasoning to give Casey away for nothing. Him and Henry are the only reasons I watch the titans. My kinda gritty players 

 

Maybe another move coming? 

 

Or...they LOVE Simmons, who plays a similar role and doesn't make that type of coin. I'm honestly not sure if they're still running a 3-4 or a 4-3. If they were switching to a 4-3, Simmons would make Casey redundant. 

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Maybe another move coming? 

 

Or...they LOVE Simmons, who plays a similar role and doesn't make that type of coin. I'm honestly not sure if they're still running a 3-4 or a 4-3. If they were switching to a 4-3, Simmons would make Casey redundant. 

I just find it weird. Partly cause I’m in Tennessee and he was one of my favorite players. Partly cause I’ll never watch him on Denver unless he’s playing Buffalo or one of the teams I follow. And I thought he was the heart and soul of that defense. I find this as shocking as Hopkins as far as the value they provided their teams. Craziest offseason I have ever seen across the board 

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