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12 hours ago, jeremy2020 said:

Yannick Ngakoue

This is my thought. A guy who is consistently tweeting about his "worth" or whatever and saying he's seeking $22,000,000 per season? Yeah, not paying that for 8 sacks a season. 

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1 hour ago, BigBillsFan said:

Kelvin Benjamin... if any player pays him more than 10 mil a year they are in trouble.

If any player pays him anything at all that would make me question the circumstances. 

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Good question. My answer last year was Tyrell Williams. Paid like a top 20 receiver but produces like a middle of the road number 2 wideout.

 

While I think Ngakoue will get paid a lot whether by the Jags or someone else, he is a guy I think you can solidly expect to get 8-10 sacks. He isn't a top flight defensive end, he can't do all the things Clowney can do in the run game and dropping into coverage, disguising blitzes.... but he does give you sack production.

 

I'd rather look at the guys who are not giving you any serious production. I think Jamie Collins has shown once he is a very specific scheme fit who looked lost outside New England so he would be on my list. That said, my vote is for Derrick Henry. If he stays in Tennessee I can see him having a good year in 2020. If he goes elsewhere to a different scheme I think he will be massively overpaid and revert to his early career lack of production.

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9 hours ago, Turk71 said:

What is a sizeable contract? Perriman is only 26, 6'2" 215 with 4.24 elite speed. That kind of size and speed is very rare and being 26 I think he is finally showing his talent and still has tremendous upside, if you watch his tape from this year he showed it. 

   If he is paid like a slam dunk #1 wr (10 million plus) then I would agree he is a risk of not delivering. If he is paid as a yet unproven commodity with tremendous upside(5 to 8 mil)  I think he is well worth the risk.

 

I just think the sample size of him playing well is really small.  3 teams in 4 years doesn't look particularly promising either.  95 catches in 195 targets...

 

If I'm his agent i measure by guaranteed money and convince him to take the highest one, i dont know that he gets another chance if he doesn't do well on this deal.  

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20 hours ago, jeremy2020 said:

Yannick Ngakoe

Came here to say this. He's going to get elite money and he just isn't elite.

1 minute ago, somnus00 said:

Clowney... 

That was my 2nd answer.

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56 minutes ago, somnus00 said:

 

6 seasons, 32 sacks. Highest sack number was 9.5. He wants top 5 money?

 

He's been pretty clear about what he feels on his own self worth (and I'd say he's not just looking for top 5...he wants to be #1). I knew he had 8 sacks, but I didn't know that had him tied for 33rd in the league last season. 

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1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

I am wondering what your opinions are of LaAdrian Waddle the OT that we picked up and put on IR

 

Do you think he has talent or does he fall into this catagory?

if i'm not mistaken nate solder has been a disappointment since signing a huge deal in NY. then didnt they fill his spot with trent brown? and if i'm not mistaken browns play earned him a massive deal with the raiders just to get demoted from his LT spot by first portion of this last season.

 

truly the most elite of coaching up in NE, IMO. they literally get the very best out of their guys. guys that seem to usually be average contributors elsewhere.

 

waddle I think is solid depth. nothing more. his contract and play say as much.

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20 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

As for Phillips nothing wrong with a transitional tag on a DT that played in 16 games, starter in 9 (per NFL.com), had 9.5 sacks and will get paid by someone. It's a 50-50 gamble that he would be top 10 money after FA, but bluff a bit Buffalo. When you transition tag a DT with 9.5 sacks, ears perk up a bit. Boost the value of a guy about to walk away for nothing.

 

Should add to a comp pick at worst if it's played right. J Phillips is the model Transition tag player IMO. Top 10 salary when flush with cash for another one year/ prove it contract (motivation if he is on the Bills), and will get compensation if another team outbids the Bills. Buffalo is woeful in managing this aspect of the cap.

 

From Sporting news (2019)

Non-exclusive tags are most commonly used. It means a team will pay the tagged player no less than the average of the five highest salaries at the player’s position, or 120 percent of the player’s cap number from the previous season, whichever is greater. The player is allowed to negotiate with other teams, but his current team can match any offer sheet. If a player's current team declines to match another team's offer, it will be awarded two first-round draft picks as compensation.

 

Transition tags pay a player the average of the 10 highest-paid players at his position. A tagged player is allowed to negotiate with other teams. The player’s current team can match any offer given to a transition-tagged player, but the team will not be given compensation if it decides not to match.

 


you lose the comp pick since you had control and chose to pass, I believe.

 

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On 2/24/2020 at 7:00 PM, HOUSE said:

Marcel Dareus

If  anyone pays him big money this will be the answer- but I doubt he gets it

3 hours ago, somnus00 said:

Clowney... 

I wonder if he remains motivated- I doubt it but I have very little reason for that.

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3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Clowney?

 

The dudes a game changer. Overall better player than Ngakoue.

 

Hes going to get paid because teams know this. They watchand study him play. They don't just check the stat sheet. 

 

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We're talking about Ngakoue, not clowney. Message boards aren't that hard.

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On 2/25/2020 at 7:22 PM, NoSaint said:


you lose the comp pick since you had control and chose to pass, I believe.

 

 

you are correct on a transitional tag, it's only a right of first refusal :bag:

 

Other tags are different. I stand corrected on the transitional part.

 

I will be interested in seeing what his market rate is, and if it would be worth it to match.

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6 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

you are correct on a transitional tag, it's only a right of first refusal :bag:

 

Other tags are different. I stand corrected on the transitional part.

 

I will be interested in seeing what his market rate is, and if it would be worth it to match.


but also takes him out of the comp pick formula on top of that. Given we are likely buyers in free agency that’s likely not a huge deal though.

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1 minute ago, NoSaint said:


but also takes him out of the comp pick formula on top of that. Given we are likely buyers in free agency that’s likely not a huge deal though.

 

It does, think I acknowledged that.

 

But I would like a right of first refusal if an offer is manageable. J Phillips found a fit here, and I'd like a chance to keep him without overvaluing his market.

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1 hour ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

It does, think I acknowledged that.

 

But I would like a right of first refusal if an offer is manageable. J Phillips found a fit here, and I'd like a chance to keep him without overvaluing his market.

Got it- thought you were saying they wouldn’t get a pick like the franchise tag, not the effect on the comp pick formula 

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On 2/24/2020 at 9:35 PM, Ethan in Portland said:

I agree. He is a solid WR but not a gamebreaker.   He is not Julio, Hopkins, AJ, or AB.  Hell I'm not even sure he is Smith-Schuster  level.  He's probably a 8-12 ranking type of player who will get paid like he is top 3.  

At this  Point sign me up for an expensive 3 year deal if it needs done,  And draft one in the 1st 2 rounds is well I'm sick of incompetence

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