Brady Free Agency speculation: Down to Bucs and... Chargers? Miami?

[papazoid]

i say this "leak" is coming from brady's camp as a message sent directly to kraft.

 

BB wants to move on, TB wants to stay in NE.

 

same thing TB successfully did when BB tried to pay jimmy G big bux. 

 

you know kraft wants to keep both and ride this pair to the very end.

 

 

[eball]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Jimmy G played a great game but came up a bit short in the end

 

What game did you watch?  He wasn't "great" at all, and the Niners are built around their defense, running game and George Kittle.  Any decent QB will be successful there.

[DCOrange]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

not seeing the Jimmy hate here.

 

The niners sux dix without jimmy, and kickbutt with him. Their defense lost them the Superbowl when they let the chiefs score at will in the fourth. Jimmy G played a great game but came up a bit short in the end , getting rid of a QB who elevates the whole team and got them to a Superbowl is a big mistake.

 

 

I think he holds the team back and don't think he was anything more than a game manager in the Super Bowl. Looks like we simply disagree on him as a player and that's fine. I'm sure other teams agree with you and that's what I would be counting on if I were in SF's shoes.

[Captain Hindsight]

12 hours ago, Billl said:

Why would anyone give up a first for Jimmy when they could sign any of the FA QBs without giving up picks?  If SF signs Brady, it’s because they think he’s better.  Nobody thinks JG is worth more than Brady PLUS a first round pick.

Because the other guys are FAs for a reason.

 

Every team in the NFL is discussing Brady right now whether they love their QB or don't. Because the goal is to win the SB and Brady has done that better than anyone in history. If you think hes the missing piece, you go get him. If thats the 49ers and they dangle Jimmy G in a trade, I'd be willing to be they would get some very attractive offers

 

For goodness sake Tyrod Taylor was traded for a 3rd rounder and Josh Rosen for a 2nd! You dont think the guy who just led a team that picked second overall a year ago to a 14-2 record and a NFC Championship is worth a 1st?  

[May Day 10]

2 hours ago, papazoid said:

i say this "leak" is coming from brady's camp as a message sent directly to kraft.

 

BB wants to move on, TB wants to stay in NE.

 

same thing TB successfully did when BB tried to pay jimmy G big bux. 

 

you know kraft wants to keep both and ride this pair to the very end.

 

 

 

 

This seems pretty obvious

 

Best case is Kraft gets sentimental, backs up the brinks truck and belichick quits.  The Patriots would be back in the dark ages

[Antonio]

On 1/30/2020 at 4:29 PM, Lurker said:

 

Yes.   I agree, the Titans make sense as a landing spot.     

 

I just have a hard time envisioning the GOAT in that pasture.    Just seems whack.     They don't even fill their stadium, as we saw with all the Bills fans at our game this year...

 

Well that is just another reason to go for it. I bet the Stadium will be sold out, at least at the beginning.

[Woodman19]

16 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Because the other guys are FAs for a reason.

 

Every team in the NFL is discussing Brady right now whether they love their QB or don't. Because the goal is to win the SB and Brady has done that better than anyone in history. If you think hes the missing piece, you go get him. If thats the 49ers and they dangle Jimmy G in a trade, I'd be willing to be they would get some very attractive offers

 

For goodness sake Tyrod Taylor was traded for a 3rd rounder and Josh Rosen for a 2nd! You dont think the guy who just led a team that picked second overall a year ago to a 14-2 record and a NFC Championship is worth a 1st?  

No, because a 1st round pick comes with potentially 5 years of team control. Front offices will weigh the potential value of players amortized over the lifetime of that control relative to the gains they can expect to receive in a trade.  That's why you see trades with former 1st round players going for peanuts only a couple of years later.

[Kirby Jackson]

Kind of what I was getting at earlier:

 

He is just not the same player that he was 5 years ago (or even close).

[Captain Hindsight]

1 minute ago, Woodman19 said:

No, because a 1st round pick comes with potentially 5 years of team control. Front offices will weigh the potential value of players amortized over the lifetime of that control relative to the gains they can expect to receive in a trade.  That's why you see trades with former 1st round players going for peanuts only a couple of years later.

If you think you are a QB away (See Bears, Colts), you make that trade

 

You may not agree with it, but someone will do it if they think it wins them a SB

[Woodman19]

1 minute ago, Captain Hindsight said:

If you think you are a QB away (See Bears, Colts), you make that trade

 

You may not agree with it, but someone will do it if they think it wins them a SB

Pretty sure no team is giving up a 1st round pick for a QB in his 40's

[Captain Hindsight]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Kind of what I was getting at earlier:

 

He is just not the same player that he was 5 years ago (or even close).

It was pretty obvious just watching him last year. Hes still good enough to start, but he needs a lot of help. This is Belichecks system meeting an immovable object tho. Cut a player too early, rather than too late or keep the GOAT for nostalgic reasons

 

Me personally and hoping that his last throw as a Patriot**** is a pick 6

1 minute ago, Woodman19 said:

Pretty sure no team is giving up a 1st round pick for a QB in his 40's

What?

 

I was referring to Jimmy G. Brady is a FA..... Are we talking about the same thing here?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, Woodman19 said:

No, because a 1st round pick comes with potentially 5 years of team control. Front offices will weigh the potential value of players amortized over the lifetime of that control relative to the gains they can expect to receive in a trade.  That's why you see trades with former 1st round players going for peanuts only a couple of years later.

 

A first round pick also comes with significant unknowns and risk.  Historically 1st round QB succeed at a rate of about 30% overall (higher at the top, lower at the bottom) and that's just "become a competent NFL QB you can win with" not "become a playoff-winning QB"

 

The reason you see first round QBs going for peanuts a couple years later is if their first team decides they're part of the 70% who don't become competent NFL QB and decides to move on, while the receiving team is willing to wager "it's not him that's the problem, it's your team"

 

[Kirby Jackson]

6 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

It was pretty obvious just watching him last year. Hes still good enough to start, but he needs a lot of help. This is Belichecks system meeting an immovable object tho. Cut a player too early, rather than too late or keep the GOAT for nostalgic reasons

 

Me personally and hoping that his last throw as a Patriot**** is a pick 6

Honestly, even some people here get nostalgic (or nightmares) thinking about him staying in NE. I don’t think that’s the worst thing for us. He’s an average QB at this point that’s fairly easy to defend because he can’t get the ball outside the numbers anymore. Brady is still incredibly cerebral and crafty. However, he’s like Henry Rowengartner when he loses his fastball in “Rookie of the Year.” He has to be creative to make plays. He’s not just going to make certain throws because of his ability anymore.

[BuffaloRebound]

To me, the 49ers leak is the biggest tell that Brady isn’t going anywhere.  There’s no way he’s going to the 49ers.  This whole thing is pathetic on so many levels.  It’s not like the Patriots have a Steve Young or Andrew Luck behind Brady.  End the charade already.  When he inevitably goes back New England, can we publicly flog all the talking heads who indulged in all this nonsense.  

[Captain Hindsight]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Honestly, even some people here get nostalgic (or nightmares) thinking about him staying in NE. I don’t think that’s the worst thing for us. He’s an average QB at this point that’s fairly easy to defend because he can’t get the ball outside the numbers anymore. Brady is still incredibly cerebral and crafty. However, he’s like Henry Rowengartner when he loses his fastball in “Rookie of the Year.” He has to be creative to make plays. He’s not just going to make certain throws because of his ability anymore.

Now theres a reference haha. I had to go look that up

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

To me, the 49ers leak is the biggest tell that Brady isn’t going anywhere.  There’s no way he’s going to the 49ers.  This whole thing is pathetic on so many levels.  It’s not like the Patriots have a Steve Young or Andrew Luck behind Brady.  End the charade already.  When he inevitably goes back New England, can we publicly flog all the talking heads who indulged in all this nonsense.  

Well if he goes to SF that will almost certainly mean Teddy, Tannehill or Jimmy G in New England.

1 minute ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Now theres a reference haha. I had to go look that up

 

Edited March 5, 2020 by Kirby Jackson

[BuffaloRebound]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Well if he goes to SF that will almost certainly mean Teddy, Tannehill or Jimmy G in New England.

https://youtu.be/0CDsJCGcJcI

 

Please.  I hate Brady with a passion, but those  guys can’t carry Brady’s 43 year old jockstrap.  And I’m not sure why any of those guys would voluntarily choose to replace the greatest of all time on an offense that is bottom half of the league in talent.  They would be getting Boo’d by their home fans by week 3.  

[May Day 10]

I will quit if San Francisco gives New England Jimmy G

[Kirby Jackson]

29 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Please.  I hate Brady with a passion, but those  guys can’t carry Brady’s 43 year old jockstrap.  And I’m not sure why any of those guys would voluntarily choose to replace the greatest of all time on an offense that is bottom half of the league in talent.  They would be getting Boo’d by their home fans by week 3.  

At this point Brady is no better than those guys IMO and trending in opposite directions. The Patriots won with defense over the last 2 years not Brady. I think you’re remembering Brady at his best.

 

2019:

Brady - 60.9% completion, 253.6 ypg, 24 TDs, 8 INTs, 6.8 YPA, 88 rating, 52.5 QBR

 

Jimmy G - 69.1% completion, 248.6 ypg, 27 TD, 13 INTs, 9.3 ypa, 102 rating, 60.2 QBR

 

Tannehill (extrapolated over 16 games) - 70.3% completion, 228.5 ypg, 32 TDs, 8 INTs, 9.6 YPA, 117.5 rating, 65.4 QBR

 

Teddy (extrapolated over 16 games) - 67.9% completion, 153.8 YPG, 28 TDs, 6 INTs, 7.5 YPA, 99.1 rating, 45 QBR

 

There isn’t a big difference at this point.

[White Linen]

4 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...the whole melodrama is getting more nauseating daily..................

 

Totally agree.  I think they both are presenting a bad look too.  

[BuffaloRebound]

My point is even with Brady at age 43, none of those guys will win more games with the patriots as Brady would next year.  And that doesn’t even factor in the fact that it’s not even close as to who you’d want out there in a playoff win or go home game even at age 43.  
To move on from the greatest player of all time and not let him retire as a Patriot for any of those guys is absurd.  Steve young was a hall of famer.  Luck was the best QB prospect to come out of college in years.  

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, BuffaloRebound said:

My point is even with Brady at age 43, none of those guys will win more games with the patriots as Brady would next year.  And that doesn’t even factor in the fact that it’s not even close as to who you’d want out there in a playoff win or go home game even at age 43.  
To move on from the greatest player of all time and not let him retire as a Patriot for any of those guys is absurd.  Steve young was a hall of famer.  Luck was the best QB prospect to come out of college in years.  

We disagree here. He is in rapid decline and CERTAINLY was outplayed by Tannehill last year and maybe even Jimmy G at times. They are heading in different directions. Brady is a mid level starter in 2020. That’s exactly what those other guys are. With that Patriots defense those guys could absolutely win as many games as Brady would!! That’s why the Patriots are okay letting him leave. BB can be ruthless but if he thought that Brady was the best option they’d meet his number. 

[Captain Hindsight]

13 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

At this point Brady is no better than those guys IMO and trending in opposite directions. The Patriots won with defense over the last 2 years not Brady. I think you’re remembering Brady at his best.

 

2019:

Brady - 60.9% completion, 253.6 ypg, 24 TDs, 8 INTs, 6.8 YPA, 88 rating, 52.5 QBR

 

Jimmy G - 69.1% completion, 248.6 ypg, 27 TD, 13 INTs, 9.3 ypa, 102 rating, 60.2 QBR

 

Tannehill (extrapolated over 16 games) - 70.3% completion, 228.5 ypg, 32 TDs, 8 INTs, 9.6 YPA, 117.5 rating, 65.4 QBR

 

Teddy (extrapolated over 16 games) - 67.9% completion, 153.8 YPG, 28 TDs, 6 INTs, 7.5 YPA, 99.1 rating, 45 QBR

 

There isn’t a big difference at this point.

Tyrod Taylor 2015

63% Completion percentage, 216.78 ypg 24 total TD 6 INTs, 8 ypa 99.4 rating 65.3 QBR 

 

Bonus points for being a PFF superstar and Cian Farley's best QB in 2015

 

Basically Brady wasnt much better than Tyrod in 2015.

 

I simultaneously hope Brady returns to NE and gets benched while also his last throw being a pick 6

[stinky finger]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Kind of what I was getting at earlier:

 

He is just not the same player that he was 5 years ago (or even close).

 

Precisely why I hope he stays put.

[Franco_92]

If Brady stays in NE, we once again will have to chalk up 0-2 to start.

We may have to do this until Belichick leaves, considering that before the last start in which he was electric, Brady was mediocre the previous 4 or 5 against us. 

[BuffaloRebound]

I guess I’m in the minority here, but I hope Brady leaves but don’t believe it will happen.  
Belichik is a great coach but he’s no magician.  Replacing Brady with any of those alternatives does little on paper to make them a better team next year.  In reality, it will completely divide their fan base and probably even their locker room.  Moving on from EJ Manuel or Losman has divided our own fan base.  
Can you imagine what our fan base would do if we let the best player in NFL history who won us 6 Super Bowls walk for Ryan Tannehill or Teddy bridgewater?  
Belichik has no choice here.  And he’s acting like the maniacal psychopath baby that he is.  Brady will be back after Belichik is done with this tantrum.  

[Buffalo Barbarian]

18 hours ago, eball said:

 

What game did you watch?  He wasn't "great" at all, and the Niners are built around their defense, running game and George Kittle.  Any decent QB will be successful there.

 

the game where  they were up by 10 and the defense let the chiefs score late.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 6, 2020 by Buffalo Barbarian

[4merper4mer]

21 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I guess I’m in the minority here, but I hope Brady leaves but don’t believe it will happen.  
Belichik is a great coach but he’s no magician.  Replacing Brady with any of those alternatives does little on paper to make them a better team next year.  In reality, it will completely divide their fan base and probably even their locker room.  Moving on from EJ Manuel or Losman has divided our own fan base.  
Can you imagine what our fan base would do if we let the best player in NFL history who won us 6 Super Bowls walk for Ryan Tannehill or Teddy bridgewater?  
Belichik has no choice here.  And he’s acting like the maniacal psychopath baby that he is.  Brady will be back after Belichik is done with this tantrum.  

I get that but Brady sucked last year and isn't getting younger.  These ESPN morons that think he'll put the 9ers over the top are delusional.

[Franco_92]

On 3/5/2020 at 10:53 AM, arcane said:

If Brady stays in NE, we once again will have to chalk up 0-2 to start.

We may have to do this until Belichick leaves, considering that before the last start in which he was electric, Brady was mediocre the previous 4 or 5 against us. 

People be laugh/confused reacting to this as if the Bills aren't 0-15 against Bill and Tom when both finish the game in the last decade, and as if Brady didn't pick us apart in December, 26 of 33 for 271 and a TD, with over 38 minutes possession and 23 first downs (to our 14) and 414 total yards (to our 268) 

[Doc]

I believe the 49'ers were Tommy Boy's favorite team growing up and they have a pretty good team right now.  I also don't think he cared/cares much for Garropppollllooo and would love nothing better than to see him get screwed (by non porn stars this time).  Sounds like his team made this all up.

Edited March 6, 2020 by Doc

[row_33]

[Iron Maiden]

I would love for Brady to leave NE, but I don't see it....and if he does, going to SF is not a good scenario IMO....if anyone can win with Jimmy G, it's BB......let him go to the Bucs or the Colts....not afraid of Brissett....

Edited March 7, 2020 by Iron Maiden

[YoloinOhio]

 

[BillsFan17]

I think the Titans are making the correct call staying the course with Tannehill.

[YoloinOhio]

Alternate headline: Brady not interested in Titans?

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

47 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

this looks like a direct quote from an Onion article. 

[Alphadawg7]

On 3/6/2020 at 9:14 AM, arcane said:

People be laugh/confused reacting to this as if the Bills aren't 0-15 against Bill and Tom when both finish the game in the last decade, and as if Brady didn't pick us apart in December, 26 of 33 for 271 and a TD, with over 38 minutes possession and 23 first downs (to our 14) and 414 total yards (to our 268) 

Tom wasn’t 97 years old for the last decade.

 

McD and Beane wasn’t our coach and GM for the last decade.

 

This current roster wasn’t our roster for the last decade.

 

This obsession to look backwards into things irrelevant today to make decelerations about tomorrow is a waste of time.  
 

We should have beat them both times this year.  Going into this next season we are a serious contender to win the division with or without Tom Brady.  The lowly Dolphins beat them in a must win game for NE this past season, and yet you think we are guaranteed 2 losses???
 

Sorry your post you’re defending was ridiculous.

Edited March 15, 2020 by Alphadawg7

[Orlando Tim]

Tirana are not interested in mortgaging future for two years of tommy boy. He is demanding say in GM decisions and wants to be able to make his own play calls. The only team I think that considers it is Vegas and they will only do it as lip service.

[Chaos]

On 3/6/2020 at 12:14 PM, arcane said:

People be laugh/confused reacting to this as if the Bills aren't 0-15 against Bill and Tom when both finish the game in the last decade, and as if Brady didn't pick us apart in December, 26 of 33 for 271 and a TD, with over 38 minutes possession and 23 first downs (to our 14) and 414 total yards (to our 268) 

You are using facts which don't conform to my feelings that he totally sucked, because he wasn't not as great is in the past, because you know there are only two levels of play 1) greatest ever 2) totally sucked. 

[YoloinOhio]