Codyny13 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 On 2/2/2020 at 4:07 PM, YoloinOhio said: The Raiders started his career (*cough* tuck rule *cough*) so they might as well end it No need to hide true feelings Here Yolo. That was some bulllllshiiiittt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 On 2/2/2020 at 4:32 PM, WhoTom said: Ditto. I'd love to see them drop a big chunk of their salary cap on a declining QB. They trading for Rodgers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 He’s not going to the raiders. That team is years a way from competing and most likely Gruden might get fired sooner if he doesn’t turn that franchise around. They need major help on offense and defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 9 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: He’s not going to the raiders. That team is years a way from competing and most likely Gruden might get fired sooner if he doesn’t turn that franchise around. They need major help on offense and defense Gruden isn't going anywhere, doesn't he have like a 10 year contract? On a side note, I was in Vegas this past weekend, saw the Stadium, is it me or does that stadium look like a sh&t hole? I mean I am sure it is awesome inside but from the outside it is downright ugly. All black, no character, I thought it would be a lot more glitzier than that. Anyhow, this is going to be fascinating how this plays out. On one hand, you know Kraft would give his left nut to keep Brady one or two more years. On the other, signing Brady to an extension is everything against the Patriot way & how Bill likes to operate over the years. His thought process has always been it is better to get rid of him a year too early than a year too late. I keep hearing the Pats if they sign Brady are going to reload but where are they going to find the room under the cap if they give Brady say a 2 year $60 mil dollar extension? I think he is as good as gone if BB has his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 9 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: He’s not going to the raiders. That team is years a way from competing and most likely Gruden might get fired sooner if he doesn’t turn that franchise around. They need major help on offense and defense Gruden got a 10 year, $100,000,000 contract. Mark Davis loves him. He's not getting fired. I also don't think the Raiders are that far off from competing in the AFC. They have one of the best young RB's in the league, a solid OL, a couple of decent WR options in Williams and Renfrow, one of the best TE's in the league in Waller, as well as a 2nd TE who would be a starter on most NFL teams right now, and they have some legit pieces on defense. If they get a true #1 WR, a couple of solid CB's, and fix their LB corps then they are going to be fighting for at least a WC spot consistently (due to the Chiefs being in their division) even if they stick with Carr. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 been hearing on the shows i listen to that the 49ers could be a landing spot. Jimmy G only $4M in dead cap if cut in April..Brady's hometown team...has everything Brady could want...hmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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416BillsFan Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Brady to the Raiders does not make any sense at all. They don't need a hook to get people to come to games, and Tom isn't exactly mobile. This seems like Gruden is playing games with Carr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 23 minutes ago, 416BillsFan said: Brady to the Raiders does not make any sense at all. They don't need a hook to get people to come to games, and Tom isn't exactly mobile. This seems like Gruden is playing games with Carr. Plus they’re on the hook on owing Carr a lot of money. I think his contract became fully guaranteed last year, if the raiders didn’t want him they should’ve traded him or cut him last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 3 hours ago, H2o said: Gruden got a 10 year, $100,000,000 contract. Mark Davis loves him. He's not getting fired. I also don't think the Raiders are that far off from competing in the AFC. They have one of the best young RB's in the league, a solid OL, a couple of decent WR options in Williams and Renfrow, one of the best TE's in the league in Waller, as well as a 2nd TE who would be a starter on most NFL teams right now, and they have some legit pieces on defense. If they get a true #1 WR, a couple of solid CB's, and fix their LB corps then they are going to be fighting for at least a WC spot consistently (due to the Chiefs being in their division) even if they stick with Carr. Gruden is going to have to have 2-3 really awful seasons in a row before he gets fired. He stripped the team for parts his first year and won 7 games last season. He actually should be able to put them in a position to win at least 8+ games in 2020. They have 2 first round picks and 2 third round picks along with 60 million in cap space that could open up to 70-90 million in space depending on cuts and trades. I think they are fully committed to Gruden for 2 more seasons before they even consider pulling the plug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 minute ago, billsfan89 said: Gruden is going to have to have 2-3 really awful seasons in a row before he gets fired. He stripped the team for parts his first year and won 7 games last season. He actually should be able to put them in a position to win at least 8+ games in 2020. They have 2 first round picks and 2 third round picks along with 60 million in cap space that could open up to 70-90 million in space depending on cuts and trades. I think they are fully committed to Gruden for 2 more seasons before they even consider pulling the plug. I don't know how the Vegas deal impacted the cash situation of the Raiders, but no way in hell Gruden getting fired before year 8 at the earliest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) I never said he was going to get fired in year 8 or 9 but possibly after year 9 of things don’t change he could be a goner. But then again you guys are right Davis loves him too much. Completely asinine to give him a 10 year contract lol. Marv levy was right about Gruden Edited February 4, 2020 by BuffaloBills1998 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 It was reiterated to me, however, that this isn’t about the money for Brady. It’s about appreciation for what he’s done and can still do. That appreciation can be shown as much by getting experienced, high-level talent around him as it can with a dollar amount. But the timing for that will be tough for the Patriots. The past two seasons, the Patriots did little in the offseason to staff the offense around Brady. There were a variety of reasons for that but the final result was an offense that was frustratingly and increasingly punchless. Meanwhile, Brady was underpaid relative to his peers. If he re-signs before free agency opens, he’ll again be taking on faith that the Patriots will get a surrounding cast that allows the offense to perform at a high level. The departure this week of legendary offensive line coach Dante Scarnecchia didn’t start things off on the right foot. Free agency begins March 18. On March 16, the Patriots can start negotiating with prospective free agents. They’ll have two days to make headway on bringing in reinforcements. It was indicated to me that this is for Bill Belichick and Brady to work out for themselves. When the Patriots agreed last August to not use the franchise tag on Brady in 2020, that was to ensure that any decision Brady made to stay was of his own volition. Why keep him against his will? He’s earned the right to decide to stay or leave if that’s what he wants. It was reiterated that this decision – like the call to trade Jimmy Garoppolo in 2017 – is one that will ultimately be Belichick’s. There’s a presumption that owner Robert Kraft will swoop down from the rafters and overrule Belichick if the head coach decides it’s time to move on from Brady. That belief is fed by the lie that won’t die, the urban legend that Kraft forced the Garoppolo trade. That didn’t happen and nothing’s really been done to correct the record. The owner has declared many times he wants Brady to remain a Patriot. But my understanding is that, just as he wouldn’t force Brady to stay under a franchise tag, he won’t intercede if Belichick concludes moving on from Brady is the best course of action. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
416BillsFan Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Plus they’re on the hook on owing Carr a lot of money. I think his contract became fully guaranteed last year, if the raiders didn’t want him they should’ve traded him or cut him last year He can be dumped with only a $5 million hit. I don't think he will be though, Gruden seems to like to remind his QBs that they're replaceable as "motivation." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 58 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: I don't know how the Vegas deal impacted the cash situation of the Raiders, but no way in hell Gruden getting fired before year 8 at the earliest. They are flushed with cash from the PSL's and season tickets scooped up by the casinos, they also have a ton of more opportunities with sponsorships from the casinos in Vegas and the new stadium. I don't think they would keep Gruden if he went 5-11 or worse three straight years. But I think that if he can float above 7 wins or not string together 2 losing seasons in a row he has a safe job there. I think it would be hard to justify him staying if he goes 5 or less wins three years in a row. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, 416BillsFan said: He can be dumped with only a $5 million hit. I don't think he will be though, Gruden seems to like to remind his QBs that they're replaceable as "motivation." True. But I think getting rid of Carr for a potential washed up 43 year old QB makes little to no sense and could potentially set them back years at the QB spot. Gruden is terrified of drafting QBs cough Tampa bay cough. I would love it if they dump Carr and sign Brady to whatever ridiculous deal he wants and he ends up getting the fans hopes up and craps the bed. That would be hilarious beyond epic proportions Edited February 5, 2020 by BuffaloBills1998 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) Ch 2 sports reports Raiders to offer Brady 2 years $60M https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2876825-why-tom-brady-to-the-raiders-would-be-terrible-for-both-sides?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral Edited February 19, 2020 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 30 minutes ago, ALF said: Ch 2 sports reports Raiders offer Brady 2 years $60M What a stupid deal. Talk about potentially setting your franchise back a number of years. What are they gonna do when he retires and after they trade Carr lol. Typical Raiders move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan20 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 How about Ryan Fitzpatrick to the Patriots? I couldn’t think of a more qualified person to replace Tom Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 On 2/4/2020 at 1:35 PM, BuffaloBills1998 said: I never said he was going to get fired in year 8 or 9 but possibly after year 9 of things don’t change he could be a goner. But then again you guys are right Davis loves him too much. Completely asinine to give him a 10 year contract lol. Marv levy was right about Gruden He was right about Jauron as well. Oh wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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