Target WR Breshad Perriman FA Tampa Bay

[Turk71]

  One of the fastest guys in the league at 6'2" 215lbs, former first round pick who was extremely raw route runner coming in to the league. Has had years to develop and showed up big when given the chance to be a #1 this year. 

   I think he is definitely worth a chance and could be just what the Bills need. They would still need to draft another talented wr to develop.

[ALLEN1QB]

Has to be better than Foster and Duke.

[Putin]

3 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Bills fans always seem to want to take chances on horse under the radar guys that haven’t ever been productive. If you insist on a veteran wide receiver, go get a guy that’s actually shown he can do it. Go get AJ Green or someone like that. Not interested in the Bucs 3rd WR.

I would totally support getting AJ Green and and drafting his potential replacement , 

Go Bills 

Edited January 24, 2020 by Putin

[947]

I agree he was great the last few weeks of the season, but his biggest knock has always been drops. I know he dropped 2 TDs in a game earlier this year. No idea if you're getting the 5-week stud, or the guy he was before that. I think if we sign a WR, it'll somebody to help with our drop %, not contribute to it.

[Gambit]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Well it is true that Winston had serious accuracy issues.  But of all the players who were targeted at least 30 times by the same QB, he had the lowest % of catches made.  Godwin was targeted almost twice as often and caught 71% off his passes.

You're comparing him to one of the next best upcoming WRs in the league. Nobody is saying Perriman is gonna be elite or whatever. He would still be a solid get while our first or 2nd round pick is eased in seeing as WRs take some time to excel in the NFL. I'm not sure what some of you expect we can get. Green isn't what he once was and is injured all the time. Cooper is going to be expensive as hell and disappears way to often.

[BeastMaster]

Allen and his propensity to be inaccurate or throw too many fastballs and this guys propensity to drop passes is a bad mix.

 

Add to that a less than stellar first few years in the league and it's a hard pass for me unless it's very little guaranteed money and he's not being counted on as the solution to our #1 WR quandry.

 

Bills can and should be looking for a sure fire answer with no question marks in terms of ability on the field. He's not that guy.

[Turk71]

1 hour ago, 947 said:

I agree he was great the last few weeks of the season, but his biggest knock has always been drops. I know he dropped 2 TDs in a game earlier this year. No idea if you're getting the 5-week stud, or the guy he was before that. I think if we sign a WR, it'll somebody to help with our drop %, not contribute to it.

Perriman is credited with 0 drops this year on 69 targets, his yds/rec was 6th in the league.

 

50 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

Allen and his propensity to be inaccurate or throw too many fastballs and this guys propensity to drop passes is a bad mix.

 

Add to that a less than stellar first few years in the league and it's a hard pass for me unless it's very little guaranteed money and he's not being counted on as the solution to our #1 WR quandry.

 

Bills can and should be looking for a sure fire answer with no question marks in terms of ability on the field. He's not that guy.

0 drops on 69 targets this year.

[Thurman#1]

7 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

He catches 50% 0f the balls thrown to him....and he had Qb who threw 626 times last year.

 

The numbers don't really work out for him in Buffalo as a #1 WR...

 

 

Evans 56.8%

Perriman 52.2%

 

Evans is terrific. I'd have to go pass by pass to figure out whether the low percentage was on QB or WR.

 

I don't know either way on Perriman, but he's the level of guy I'd expect them to look hard at.

 

[formerlyofCtown]

8 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Bills fans always seem to want to take chances on horse under the radar guys that haven’t ever been productive. If you insist on a veteran wide receiver, go get a guy that’s actually shown he can do it. Go get AJ Green or someone like that. Not interested in the Bucs 3rd WR.

Oh you mean the guy that had 694 yrds in 9 games in 2018 and 0 yrds in 0 games last season.

 

There is another type of Bills fan that likes going to yard sales looking for antiques.

[Turk71]

7 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Well it is true that Winston had serious accuracy issues.  But of all the players who were targeted at least 30 times by the same QB, he had the lowest % of catches made.  Godwin was targeted almost twice as often and caught 71% off his passes.

  Perriman's average depth of target was 16.1 yds, 2nd in the league. Godwin's avg was 10 yds, that would explain some of the differential in catch %. The fact that Godwin had an amazing year explains the rest. 

  Contrary to some posters assertions, Perriman was surehanded with not a single drop this year. Only two receivers had more targets without dropping a pass. He is also as fast as Tyreek Hill, 4 inches taller and 30 lbs heavier;  the only fa you can say that about.

  

[Aireskoi]

Seems to me we should be after a higher catch rate guy.  I could live without a little of the speed for a sharp route runner with excellent hands.  

 

We need one guy who will catch anything thrown his way no matter what size, shape, or speed he comes in. 

 

Win the contested ball, keep the feet in bounds, jump over someone, dive and make the catch, get smashed up but still hold the ball...

 

 

[machine gun kelly]

11 hours ago, KD in CA said:

Let 'em keep Perriman and trade for Mike Evans!

I love Evans and been watching him for years, but Tampa will never, and I mean never let that happen.

[Mr. WEO]

6 hours ago, Gambit said:

You're comparing him to one of the next best upcoming WRs in the league. Nobody is saying Perriman is gonna be elite or whatever. He would still be a solid get while our first or 2nd round pick is eased in seeing as WRs take some time to excel in the NFL. I'm not sure what some of you expect we can get. Green isn't what he once was and is injured all the time. Cooper is going to be expensive as hell and disappears way to often.

No I’m comparing him to every other guy on his team with at least 30 targets to support the idea that his low catch % is not solely due to his QBs inaccuracy.  
 

For his career he’s under 50%. 

[GG]

10 hours ago, WMDman said:

I just remember him absolutely hoeing Gilmore on a play when we played Baltimore week 1 in Rexs second year 

 

He had one highlight reel catch for that entire game, and disappeared for the rest of his career until late '19.

[BringBackOrton]

3 minutes ago, GG said:

 

He had one highlight reel catch for that entire game, and disappeared for the rest of his career until late '19.

The Jordan Phillips of WRs

11 hours ago, Dkollidas said:

I see him getting 1-2 yrs, AAV of $6M-$7M. Gotta rememver teams know this draft class is loaded, I think it will put a damper on how high WR contracts go for those middle of the road guys like Perriman. 

AJ Green is likely to be franchises and wants to stay in Cincinnati. I think he’s likely to do so. 
 

Amari Cooper will also be likely to stay in Dallas.

 

Who do you wanna spend big money on? Robby Anderson? Wanna pay Sammy Watkins money ($13M+ per year) for a guy who’s never broken 1000yds receiving in his career?

 

Speaking of Watkins, he could be a cut candidate in order for KC to give Mahomes his money... wanna take that for another spin? I don’t and I highly doubt the Bills do. 
 

Beasley was Dallas’ 3rd receiver. Brown was barrly seen as a legit #2 by many in the league. 
 

Get a guy like Perriman who can 1) add depth to your group and possibly replace Foster/Duke Williams. 2) won’t break the bank and kill you if it doesn’t work out. 
 

 

Better a good WR at $13M than mediocre one at $10M

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

10 hours ago, NoSaint said:

Jeeze- I just caught back up on that and forgot he never even signed. They verbally agreed and then backed out.

 

by game tape do you mean highlights? Cause everyone has great hands in highlights.

I'm talking about game tape.  Watch all of his plays.  This guy can play and really showed it at the end of this season when he finally got to be featured.  After Evans and Godwin were injured, Perriman became the number 1 target, saw a lot of double coverage, and still produced.  After watching him play, consider whether he would be a significant upgrade over what we have now.  IMHO the answer is yes.  For those that don't think the guy can play, who do they want Beane to target?  Rookies coming out of the draft seldom make the immediate impact desired in their first season.  It makes sense for Beane to get a good free agent without breaking the bank and draft a good prospect to develop.  Perriman would be a good first step in implementing this approach.

[Dkollidas]

23 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

The Jordan Phillips of WRs

Better a good WR at $13M than mediocre one at $10M

I’m saying the good ones at $13 won’t be available. And I think the only $13M receiver available will be Robby Anderson, who I believe is the definition of mediocre. 

[Big Gun]

13 hours ago, KzooMike said:

In 2015 drafted in the 1st round, 6'2, 212 LB's, 4.24 40 yard dash at the combine.   

 

Missed Rookie year to knee injury, moderate 2016 season then cut. Signed with Browns and then cut again when OBJ was picked up. Signed with TB this year. After the depletion of all TB's WR core the last quarter of the season was pushed into a #1 WR role. Final 5 games, 25 catches, 506 yards, and 5 TD's. I watched two of those 5 games. His knock coming out was all athlete no football player. He was attacking the football like Marvin Jones when I saw him. High pointing balls all over the field. Out muscling CB's or just running by them. Son of Brett Perriman, so comes from pedigree. 

 

I don't think we will land a big name FA WR, but a guy like this, presented with an opportunity to be a WR1. Cost effective, high upside, competition, just what we like. I would love to see us get him.  

Did the Bills have any interest when the Browns cut him? If not why? 

 

I think i'm passing on him.

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, Turk71 said:

  Perriman's average depth of target was 16.1 yds, 2nd in the league. Godwin's avg was 10 yds, that would explain some of the differential in catch %. The fact that Godwin had an amazing year explains the rest. 

  Contrary to some posters assertions, Perriman was surehanded with not a single drop this year. Only two receivers had more targets without dropping a pass. He is also as fast as Tyreek Hill, 4 inches taller and 30 lbs heavier;  the only fa you can say that about.

  

 

OP was saying this guy would be a good pickup as a #1 WR.  I'm countering that for whatever reason, he has the lowest catch rate on his team.  If it's because of his QB (who is a 61% passer),  brining him to a QB who is a sub 60% passer won't be ideal.

[Mr. K]

14 hours ago, KzooMike said:

In 2015 drafted in the 1st round, 6'2, 212 LB's, 4.24 40 yard dash at the combine.   

 

Missed Rookie year to knee injury, moderate 2016 season then cut. Signed with Browns and then cut again when OBJ was picked up. Signed with TB this year. After the depletion of all TB's WR core the last quarter of the season was pushed into a #1 WR role. Final 5 games, 25 catches, 506 yards, and 5 TD's. I watched two of those 5 games. His knock coming out was all athlete no football player. He was attacking the football like Marvin Jones when I saw him. High pointing balls all over the field. Out muscling CB's or just running by them. Son of Brett Perriman, so comes from pedigree. 

 

I don't think we will land a big name FA WR, but a guy like this, presented with an opportunity to be a WR1. Cost effective, high upside, competition, just what we like. I would love to see us get him.  

Remember that time Peerless Price got a big deal from the Falcons? He put up great numbers after Mike Evans and Godwin went down but the Bucs were in the top 3rd of the league in passing. 

[DCOrange]

29 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

OP was saying this guy would be a good pickup as a #1 WR.  I'm countering that for whatever reason, he has the lowest catch rate on his team.  If it's because of his QB (who is a 61% passer),  brining him to a QB who is a sub 60% passer won't be ideal.

 

I watch the Bucs almost every week. I'm still highly skeptical of Perriman because he looked like crap up until those last few games when he was thrust into a big role, but to be fair, he really did look outstanding in those games. He made some ridiculously good catches and was obviously very productive.

 

Also, his true catch rate of 83.7% is pretty good: #38 in the league in that metric. Yards/catch and Yards/target were #6 and #21 respectively. He really did turn it on in those last 5 games; I'm just nervous about committing much to him because he had basically been terrible for the previous 4 or 5 years or whatever it's been, including most of this past season.

 

It's possible that he's really turned the corner, but I would probably just opt for drafting a couple rookies and or signing/acquiring an established good WR.

Edited January 24, 2020 by DCOrange

[thebandit27]

He and Demarcus Robinson are the highest-value “flyer” types in FA this offseason IMO.

 

Fallbacks if you don’t get a bona fide

[GreggTX]

15 hours ago, Buffalo86 said:

I think he asked the Browns to cut him after they signed Odell because he wanted to play, and he looked like the real deal when he got a chance.  Assuming he's not commanding a huge deal, I'd be totally down with taking a shot on him.  And yes, also draft a WR somewhere in the first 3 rounds.

I'd like to see us sign a guy like this and trade up for a pair of round 2 picks. OT in the 1st, then WR and CB in the 2nd or CB in the 1st and sign Yannik.

[Mikie2times]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

OP was saying this guy would be a good pickup as a #1 WR.  I'm countering that for whatever reason, he has the lowest catch rate on his team.  If it's because of his QB (who is a 61% passer),  brining him to a QB who is a sub 60% passer won't be ideal.

He would be good competition for Josh Brown given the fact that we will not sign a true #1 and if we do try and draft one he will not be one next year.

[Mikie2times]

2 hours ago, Mr. K said:

Remember that time Peerless Price got a big deal from the Falcons? He put up great numbers after Mike Evans and Godwin went down but the Bucs were in the top 3rd of the league in passing. 

If the argument is heavy passing offense, OK, he still needed to make plays with an entire defense knowing he was the only guy who knew the playbook on the field. He did so in pretty spectacular fashion watching the games he played. 

 

As a whole it seems like those that don't like him are saying pass. Ok, since we likely don't sign a real #1 or even #2 for that matter and if we draft, he likely isn't worth a crap until his second year, who can we get that you like better than Perriman for next season, a season in which we are supposed to go after a division title? I'll take my chance (which they all seem to feel like) on a guy who seems to be coming into his own, with incredible athletic skills and pedigree. This isn't a break the bank signing, none of them will be. 

[Mikie2times]

2 hours ago, DCOrange said:

 

I watch the Bucs almost every week. I'm still highly skeptical of Perriman because he looked like crap up until those last few games when he was thrust into a big role, but to be fair, he really did look outstanding in those games. He made some ridiculously good catches and was obviously very productive.

 

Also, his true catch rate of 83.7% is pretty good: #38 in the league in that metric. Yards/catch and Yards/target were #6 and #21 respectively. He really did turn it on in those last 5 games; I'm just nervous about committing much to him because he had basically been terrible for the previous 4 or 5 years or whatever it's been, including most of this past season.

 

It's possible that he's really turned the corner, but I would probably just opt for drafting a couple rookies and or signing/acquiring an established good WR.

And to be clear, what I saw of Perriman was those last 5 games. I took the total (betting) in two of the 5 final Bucs games of the year. He made plays multiple times where I was just like WTF? I mean angry catches, that's why I referenced Marvin Jones. He's about the only guy I have seen make catches like that the last few years. 50/50 balls, just out muscle the DB and in violent fashion. Crazy. Understood if that isn't the norm for him. Sounds like you have seen much more. But even if it's established as not the norm, just based on his draft status and pedigree he intrigues me. If the light switch flipped on for this guy and they can at odd times for some players, he has the athletic skills to be among the best in football.  

[ColoradoBills]

I'm not saying that Beane should sign Perriman but his situation does merit consideration.

OBD has plenty of time to look at these type of players.

[DuckyBoys]

15 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Well it is true that Winston had serious accuracy issues.  But of all the players who were targeted at least 30 times by the same QB, he had the lowest % of catches made.  Godwin was targeted almost twice as often and caught 71% off his passes.

Godwin worked the shorter routes  Not saying Perriman has Larry Fitzgerald hands but he's worth a deep look in FA  he's big and very very fast  Bringing him in on a reasonable 2 year deal and adding in the draft seems like a good bet

[DCOrange]

3 hours ago, KzooMike said:

And to be clear, what I saw of Perriman was those last 5 games. I took the total (betting) in two of the 5 final Bucs games of the year. He made plays multiple times where I was just like WTF? I mean angry catches, that's why I referenced Marvin Jones. He's about the only guy I have seen make catches like that the last few years. 50/50 balls, just out muscle the DB and in violent fashion. Crazy. Understood if that isn't the norm for him. Sounds like you have seen much more. But even if it's established as not the norm, just based on his draft status and pedigree he intrigues me. If the light switch flipped on for this guy and they can at odd times for some players, he has the athletic skills to be among the best in football.  

 

If his market ends up not being too crazy, I'd have no issue with bringing him in. I would just want it to be more of a flier on him rather than investing long-term money.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

7 hours ago, Dkollidas said:

I’m saying the good ones at $13 won’t be available. And I think the only $13M receiver available will be Robby Anderson, who I believe is the definition of mediocre. 

 

...not saying he would have stayed here, but it was just a short while ago that posters thought Rams paying Robert Woods $8 mil/yr was crazy money....think that's what Pegula pays the Rockpile Beerman now........

Edited January 24, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[MJS]

No thanks. I think he is as average as average gets. Can't expect him to come in and be a #1.

[3rdand12]

19 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Benjamin and "Duke" were The Process's  best attempts at that so far....

 

practice makes perfect : )

[3rdand12]

51 minutes ago, MJS said:

No thanks. I think he is as average as average gets. Can't expect him to come in and be a #1.

I may have missed the part about being a number one.

Vying for #1 ? perhaps ?
 and yes i wish there were more and better choices in FA. hedge the bet

 and draft for a rockstar then. Who will start or get earned reps early in the season and has a ceiling too high to reach in a year of NFL !

Perriman would improve the WR room we currently have. add to its breadth and depth.
and maybe he will work his arse off and play like he did end of his season when asked to step up. He might end up being a bargain ? : )

[NoSaint]

7 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

He and Demarcus Robinson are the highest-value “flyer” types in FA this offseason IMO.

 

Fallbacks if you don’t get a bona fide

I almost read that as fullbacks and had flashbacks to the Houston heave.

 

That said, I think you aim for two guys- the best you can get in free agency, and the best by end of day 2 of the draft. If he’s the best of free agency maybe a little more pressure on the draft. 

[John from Riverside]

The quesiton is.....where would Perrimen rank in our current WR core....probably pretty high I would think

 

Bring in a guy like this AND draft one of these quality WR's like Schanault and Higgans......DOUBLE DOWN on the spot...improve the overall quality of the stable because competiton is good and injuries happen.

[auburnbillsbacker]

21 hours ago, Dkollidas said:

He’d be a solid addition. I don’t expect Cooper or Green to hit the market. I don’t want Robby Anderson. Perriman will also cost less than any of those guys, and maybe even half as much as Anderson. 

How does Green not hit the market?  He wont get the franchise tag and doesnt want to be a Bengal. 

[BuffaloBills916]

I think he would be a nice additions at the right price I dont think Mcbeane will be willing to throw more money at the WR position this year I truly could see Bills drafting 2 WR in this draft class. Tyler Johnson Minnesota somebody please check out his highlights he seem like YAC machine

[DuckyBoys]

4 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

The quesiton is.....where would Perrimen rank in our current WR core....probably pretty high I would think

 

Bring in a guy like this AND draft one of these quality WR's like Schanault and Higgans......DOUBLE DOWN on the spot...improve the overall quality of the stable because competiton is good and injuries happen.

he'd be either 1B with Brown or the clear #2

[JoPoy88]

I’d rather get an established WR1 in free agency or just try and draft one. Not saying Perriman wouldn’t help, it seems like he’s improved but idk how exactly he’s different from john brown (not that 2 john browns is a bad thing mind you.)

[ALF]

Worth the risk with an incentive contract.  Winston throws the deep pass but too many int , he did not like being on conservative teams.