GG Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Johnnycage46 said: "Next year"....our depressing mantra Yeah I know, but what else is there? Josh hasn't answered the big Q yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, SCBills said: You sound like someone who believes pass attempts = aggressive, and then discounts actual in-game decisions. Lol, ok. How many passes did Watson throw? How many rushing yards did we have? You sound like someone in denial. There is no excuse for 46 passes when you led the game for 3 quarters. Theres no excuse to come out gunning in OT when your Qb is struggling unbelievable in the 4th with fumbles, sacks, ######ed laterals, etc, when you just need a sustained drive with 3 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: I bet you lead the forum in negative reputation emoji's! Because you are a one agenda poster and offer literally nothing of value. What do you offer? Nothing huh? That's what I thought. I pound the message b/c this fanbase is in denial and someone needs to tell them what the hell is going on. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, GG said: Yeah I know, but what else is there? Josh hasn't answered the big Q yet. I am wearing thin on the "next years". I didnt think this was a SB team but this loss was very disappointing. Feels similar to 2017. Not super promising. Outcoached, outplayed, outeverythinged. This is going to be a long 9 months. Edited January 5, 2020 by Johnnycage46 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) Josh Allen is the Qb 100% for the next 2 seasons anything after that is purely speculative bs. Edited January 5, 2020 by Rocbillsfan1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I don't know. I am still optimistic but I am not ready to say "Yes" yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Regardless of ALL else....the lateral and some of those sacks to take us out of FG range...they're pretty much inexcusable decisions. Shouldn't be happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Irony... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 31 minutes ago, SCBills said: Very disappointed in sequence where he seemingly lost his mind - Crazy bad sack, followed by the bizarro lateral on the next drive. That being said.... he played pretty damn well. He was a weapon with his legs, was pretty accurate and made some absolutely absurd throws, some in the clutch. We didn’t lose, and only score 19 due to Allen. We lost and only scored 19 because, once again, our coaching staff thought we could rely on the defense up two scores. We turtled up, went conservative, and just like NE, and just like Balt, we came up just short. McDermott is a damn good coach, but I hope he learned this very painful lesson. How many more losses to better teams before McDermott gets it figured out? I assume we'll improve the personnel for 2020 but we might see same results under McD unless he himself grows as a coach. There is a reason we were in close games with garbage teams this year We play not to lose. Coach needs to re evaluate roster construction as well. Too many special teamers eating up spots We dont need a roster spot for reserved for blocking fullback (its 2020 not 1960) A blocking TE. A KR who is a lousy wr. A wr just for jet sweeps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I don't know. I am still optimistic but I am not ready to say "Yes" yet. That’s where I am. I voted “yes”, but it’s more of a trending towards yes vote. If he didn’t go bonkers for 3 plays in the 4th, I’d probably be close to saying yes. I thought, outside the bad sack, lateral, throw to DiMarco, he was pretty damn good tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Nextmanup said: What do you offer? Nothing huh? That's what I thought. I pound the message b/c this fanbase is in denial and someone needs to tell them what the hell is going on. I have been offering a more well rounded opinion than your one-track agenda. Like we need an improved O-line, several more WRs, and for Josh to make better decisions. All you have to offer is a new QB, NOTHING ELSE. Guess what slick, get used to Josh being around for a long time. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said: I am wearing thin on the "next years". I didnt think this was a SB team but this loss was very disappointing. Feels similar to 2017. Not super promising. Outcoached, outplayed, outeverythinged. This is going to be a long 9 months. It's weird, but 2017 was just magical. In a bizarre way. This year's team was objectively better, but the season wasn't as much fun to follow. I imagine Bears fans felt the same after the 2018 season -- a team that performed very well, but also a team that always felt a little more lucky than really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcampbell104 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, Jester said: I believe Josh is our man. Did he have a stellar game? No. But were coaches and game planning stellar? No. I feel like when the winds of change shifted from interesting to conservative that’s when Josh reverted to “bad Josh”. Does Josh need to improve? Hell yes. But he has the tools. you are right. people dont realize how raw josh was coming out of college. i believe next year is going to be great 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artful Dodger Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: That’s where I am. I voted “yes”, but it’s more of a trending towards yes vote. If he didn’t go bonkers for 3 plays in the 4th, I’d probably be close to saying yes. I thought, outside the bad sack, lateral, throw to DiMarco, he was pretty damn good tonight. Both the bad sack and the lateral are directly due to inexperience. Hopefully they'll go away in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said: It's weird, but 2017 was just magical. In a bizarre way. This year's team was objectively better, but the season wasn't as much fun to follow. I imagine Bears fans felt the same after the 2018 season -- a team that performed very well, but also a team that always felt a little more lucky than really good. Agreed. 2017 was great. This year was....ok....but after today....very disappointing. This season almost seemed anticlimactic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanderPoke Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 The protection was horrendous in the 2nd half. Josh put a few balls in good spots where a WR worth a crap would have caught. Josh played well enough to win, but the o line and lack of good WRs lost the game. Despite all that, the play that lost the game was the designed QB run in OT where Josh would have run for 20 yards and gotten within fg range if TWO Bills blockers didn't let some Texan defender waltz by them, literally let him by untouched, and light up Josh and likely give him a concussion. Why didn't they block that guy??????? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Any QB who makes the playoffs but loses is a loser at heart. They all need to be replaced. Right kids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, NOVA fan said: Both the bad sack and the lateral are directly due to inexperience. Hopefully they'll go away in time. So I have seen the 4th down sack before. He got sacked in almost the exact same way the first game of his final year at Wyoming. He has to start to learn from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, Johnnycage46 said: Agreed. 2017 was great. This year was....ok....but after today....very disappointing. This season almost seemed anticlimactic. After literally a half century of Bills fandom (I went to my first game in 1970!), I'm at a point where I appreciate the entertainment value of a season more than the end result. 2017 gave us unforgettable moments: Nathan Peterman and the blowout losses. The snow game win. The Andy Dalton miracle that got us in the playoffs. All kinds of weird stuff, and a playoff game much like today's (but even more painful because we got beat by Blake Bortles, not Deshaun Watson). This season was entertaining in a more formulaic, grind it out way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, LanderPoke said: The protection was horrendous in the 2nd half. Josh put a few balls in good spots where a WR worth a crap would have caught. Josh played well enough to win, but the o line and lack of good WRs lost the game. Despite all that, the play that lost the game was the designed QB run in OT where Josh would have run for 20 yards and gotten within fg range if TWO Bills blockers didn't let some Texan defender waltz by them, literally let him by untouched, and light up Josh and likely give him a concussion. Why didn't they block that guy??????? Literally agonized over that play my entire drive home from watching the game. That was it. That was the game winner. And three lineman couldn’t bother blocking one linebacker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: After literally a half century of Bills fandom (I went to my first game in 1970!), I'm at a point where I appreciate the entertainment value of a season more than the end result. 2017 gave us unforgettable moments: Nathan Peterman and the blowout losses. The snow game win. The Andy Dalton miracle that got us in the playoffs. All kinds of weird stuff, and a playoff game much like today's (but even more painful because we got beat by Blake Bortles, not Deshaun Watson). This season was entertaining in a more formulaic, grind it out way. I think you summed it up...2017 was really magical if you break down the different points of the season. This year seemed almost inevitable that we would be at the very least a wild card based on the early start, schedule, etc. Maybe it made the playoffs seem less special this time. Almost a formality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayray808 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 If Duke catches that TD, everything changes 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 17 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said: I am wearing thin on the "next years". I didnt think this was a SB team but this loss was very disappointing. Feels similar to 2017. Not super promising. Outcoached, outplayed, outeverythinged. This is going to be a long 9 months. That's a different discussion in other threads. We're discussing whether Josh is a franchise QB in this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 A franchis QB wins that easy game where we were up 16-0 in the third. What we saw today was a Derrick Carr/Andy Dalton/Ryan Tannehill cailber QB choke when it got too hot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I don't know. I am still optimistic but I am not ready to say "Yes" yet. So am I Gunner. He makes a few mistakes that make you wince in a lot of games, but has made great strides not only since last offseason, but maybe more importantly since the first Pats**** game. He was directly responsible for 372 yards today out of our 425 total. Our leading passer, runner and caught our only TD in his first playoff game on the road no less. As bad as a few plays were there were a couple of plays where he threw perfect passes into extremely tight windows while scrambling. If he continues to improve this offseason we'll have a pretty darn good QB next year and beyond. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, GG said: That's a different discussion in other threads. We're discussing whether Josh is a franchise QB in this one. OK, then let's make it about Josh as a franchise QB. I am only slightly more confident in him now than I was in Tyrod c. 2017. Can anyone disagree with this proposition: if Tyrod Taylor had been our starting QB this year, the likely result would have been exactly the same as with Josh Allen as our starting QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, GG said: That's a different discussion in other threads. We're discussing whether Josh is a franchise QB in this one. Oh, sorry. Right now he is not. Does that trigger you GG boy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, BullBuchanan said: A franchis QB wins that easy game where we were up 16-0 in the third. What we saw today was a Derrick Carr/Andy Dalton/Ryan Tannehill cailber QB choke when it got too hot. The defense was just as much a part of that choke as anyone else. Through the midway point in the 3rd they were extremely rested from all the long drives the offense had put together. From that point on they were gashed up and down the field, giving up 19 points in the last 16:33. The o-line did no one any favors also with some shoddy blocking and untimely, dumb penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 How can you say yes? Totally irrational...you want it to be true so bad your making a massive leap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Yes, but only if he continues to improve. Today is one of the most frustrating losses in team history because it was right there on a platter but they couldn’t close the deal. But at the core, they weren’t ready for prime time today, and that starts with Allen. If you are the QB, the buck stops with you. Six points in the last 3 quarters will never get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: A franchis QB wins that easy game where we were up 16-0 in the third. What we saw today was a Derrick Carr/Andy Dalton/Ryan Tannehill cailber QB choke when it got too hot. That lets the defense and coaching off the hook completely. Alllen had his ups and downs in his first playoff game, but it seems that it got too hot for McD, Daboll and Co more than Josh. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: OK, then let's make it about Josh as a franchise QB. I am only slightly more confident in him now than I was in Tyrod c. 2017. Can anyone disagree with this proposition: if Tyrod Taylor had been our starting QB this year, the likely result would have been exactly the same as with Josh Allen as our starting QB. Yes, I can. Tyrod Taylor was TRASH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 We got the usual Allen today. It was not a huge surprise. It wasn’t good enough to win. Just like I gave Beane and McDermott a pass in 17 and 18 he gets the same in 18 and 19. Expect better play in 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I think Josh will be a franchise QB, and a good one. He needs to be smarter with the ball. He also needs better play calling and coaching that will let Josh be more natural rather than a pure pocket passer and game manager (Josh is neither at this point in his career) when they have a lead. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: Yes, I can. Tyrod Taylor was TRASH. Dude, we played the Jets twice, the Dolphins twice, the Redskins, the Bengals, the Duck Hodges Steelers, the Giants ... it was, objectively, the easiest schedule in the NFL. And we went 10-6. May I remind you that Tyrod's Bills went 9-7, and one of those games was the Nathan Peterman debacle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, The Frankish Reich said: Dude, we played the Jets twice, the Dolphins twice, the Redskins, the Bengals, the Duck Hodges Steelers, the Giants ... it was, objectively, the easiest schedule in the NFL. And we went 10-6. May I remind you that Tyrod's Bills went 9-7, and one of those games was the Nathan Peterman debacle? And may I remind YOU that Tyrod was an 8 year vet that season, and Josh JUST completed his first full season as a starter? You'd have to be willfully ignorant to ignore that little bit of information. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 He's the entire offense at this point. Bills need more play makers around him We dont involve Singeltary enough. Gore is too old. Our wr core is weak sauce. I trust he will improve. The talent is there and the intangibles. Much as he needs to improve the coaches need to change their approach to the game. What was ok to do in 2017 with a terrible roster is not going to fly in 2020 . Up to Beane to improve the roster construction. Cant have all these special teams guys expected to be main contributors on offense. Daboll expects him to play sandlot football and win with lesser talent around him. Going to be a long off season. Hopefully Josh does some more maturing and the coaching staff shows some growth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: 15 years. Recommend you find another team before you have yourself committed. In the end, while a bad decision to lateral, had he connected to Knox, he might have had some daylight to run. It also stopped the clock and saved 15-20 seconds from running down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: And may I remind YOU that Tyrod was an 8 year vet that season, and Josh JUST completed his first full season as a starter? You'd have to be willfully ignorant to ignore that little bit of information. Tyrod never had me saying "franchise QB." And I am more optimistic about Josh than I ever was about Tyrod as the long-term solution at QB. I'm just saying that Josh's results were fine this year, but really weren't anything more than you might have expected with a Tyrod Taylor or a Ryan Tannehill at QB. So the jury's still out on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 33 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: What do you offer? Nothing huh? That's what I thought. I pound the message b/c this fanbase is in denial and someone needs to tell them what the hell is going on. Actually, we don’t need you to enlighten us. Most of us are pretty knowledgeable fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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