Max Fischer Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) I think a helpful way to evaluate Josh Allen, his progress to date and his potential for the next few years is to determine which QBs you would swap for right now. My list: 1. Mahomes 2. Lamar Jackson 3. Russell Wilson That's probably it. Yes, Brady, Brees and Rodgers are great but they are 42, 40 and 36. With Josh, I believe the Bills are in a pretty good spot at QB. He "might" not get any better but over the past two season there is a lot of evidence he will continue to improve. No idea if he will lead the Bills to a Super Bowl over the next three years but I like our chances with Josh than any other QB but the three above. Edited December 22, 2019 by Max Fischer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 At this point in time, Watson has to be on that list- he has shown the ability to completely take over and dominate a game against good defenses. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted December 22, 2019 Author Share Posted December 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, Watkins101 said: At this point in time, Watson has to be on that list- he has shown the ability to completely take over and dominate a game against good defenses. Maybe, but I don't believe he's clearly better than Josh Allen. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Might be flamed but I’m not taking Jackson or Mahomes. One good year for each I’m not crowning them for anything in the future. They have stable coaching staffs, great great schemes. We have not seen what they do if they lose key pieces, or maybe a coaching change.. Mahomes while still good this season has not looked like he did last year, rather it’s injuries or the scheme not being as successful. Can he be this good if say kelce was traded or on IR? Can Jackson be as good if Roman gets a head coaching look in say Carolina? Im not taking either guy...... Yet. I would however trade Allen for Russel Wilson. Instead I’d prefer they just make friends and hangout together all offseason long. Allen should be modeling his game after Wilson and Aaron Rodgers. Just my 2 cents. 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Swap Jackson for Watson. There are days that I'd prefer Watson to Mahomes. Watson is already a seasoned vet as far as reading defenses and dictating offenses goes, where I feel that to a higher degree, Mahomes is helped out by scheming (and obviously Lamar is to a huge extent as well). I certainly think Lamar and Patrick can and will become great at this, but Watson already plays the game mentally like Rodgers and Brady. Brett Kollmann, the youtube football guy, has watched every snap of Watson vs NE and says that he's the only young QB Belichick refuses to cover-0 blitz against, because he knows Watson will read it and torch it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 I think I would swap with the Buffalo Bills I hear the have an up and coming young stud named Josh Allen 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 24 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: I think a helpful way to evaluate Josh Allen, his progress to date and his potential for the next few years is to determine which QBs you would swap for right now. My list: 1. Mahomes 2. Lamar Jackson 3. Russell Wilson That's probably it. Yes, Brady, Brees and Rodgers are great but they are 42, 40 and 36. With Josh, I believe the Bills are in a pretty good spot at QB. He "might" not get any better but over the past two season there is a lot of evidence he will continue to improve. No idea if he will lead the Bills to a Super Bowl over the next three years but I like our chances with Josh than any other QB but the three above. I'd consider only Mahomes and Watson. Wilson is too old - I'd rather have Allen for 10 seasons than Wilson 5. And Jackson will be stopped as defenses adjust. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: I'd consider only Mahomes and Watson. Wilson is too old - I'd rather have Allen for 10 seasons than Wilson 5. And Jackson will be stopped as defenses adjust. I'm with you here except that I would only take Mahomes. Watson is very good but I see Allen closing in on him. Those wanting to take Jackson are nuts unless they specify the caveat that they would want a complete rebuild & redirection of the offense. I think Jackson is doing great but you can't separate the unique offense he's in from his performance. Put him in the current Bill's O and IMO Jackson flounders. And I don't rule out the very real possibility that by the end of next season we wouldn't trade Allen for any other QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 If I had too, only Watson, but I'd rather not. Go Josh! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Patrick Mahomes, and its not even close IMO. Hes been banged up all season and hes still got ridiculous numbers. And hes a great person. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 I'm good. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 24 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: I think I would swap with the Buffalo Bills I hear the have an up and coming young stud named Josh Allen ...uh oh...better put on your kevlar vest bro.............. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Personally, I'd rather swap WRs. Michael Thomas for Isaiah McKenzie.... 1 6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Just now, Lurker said: Personally, I'd rather swap WRs. Michael Thomas for Isaiah McKenzie.... Maybe the Saints will throw in a first to sweeten the deal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 ...Wilson WAS ours for the taking...BUT...Graham Cracker won out and proved to be crumbs.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Lurker said: Personally, I'd rather swap WRs. Michael Thomas for Isaiah McKenzie.... Can we swap Jason Croom for George Kittle too? 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 47 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: Maybe, but I don't believe he's clearly better than Josh Allen. At this current junction, Watson is clearly better than Josh....but him and the 3 you mentioned in the OP are probably it....I think the jury is still out on K Murray....but I wouldn't swap with Arizona at this point.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 51 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: Maybe, but I don't believe he's clearly better than Josh Allen. What? Watson is 2 notches above Allen right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Don’t make the same mistake twice!!! * Rosen! ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla03 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Brees could play for 3 more years with our defense we would be a top 5 SB favorites in each year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Can we swap Jason Croom for George Kittle too? Absolutely. It's TSW. How about Daniell Hunter for Trent Murphy... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAinLack. Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) Y.A. Tiddle (resurrected).., love the cagey veterans!!! Edited December 22, 2019 by TAinLA spelling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 58 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: Maybe, but I don't believe he's clearly better than Josh Allen. Will he be? I don’t know. Maybe. Hopefully. Is Watson better than Josh today...absolutely and it’s not close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 all things considered for sure -Mahomes -Watson -Wentz -Rogers (even if it’s only for a few years nfl windows are small) -Stafford -Wilson Guys I’d think about -Lamar Jackson -Prescott -Matt Ryan -Brees for a 2 year run with this defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Max Fischer said: I think a helpful way to evaluate Josh Allen, his progress to date and his potential for the next few years is to determine which QBs you would swap for right now. My list: 1. Mahomes 2. Lamar Jackson 3. Russell Wilson That's probably it. Yes, Brady, Brees and Rodgers are great but they are 42, 40 and 36. With Josh, I believe the Bills are in a pretty good spot at QB. He "might" not get any better but over the past two season there is a lot of evidence he will continue to improve. No idea if he will lead the Bills to a Super Bowl over the next three years but I like our chances with Josh than any other QB but the three above. Wishing for something you can’t have.....is....actually.....not helpful 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Pretty much only Watson here as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 I'm sticking with Josh, but if I had to it would be Aaron Rodgers for the next three years. Followed by Wilson and Mahomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted December 22, 2019 Author Share Posted December 22, 2019 20 minutes ago, Iron Maiden said: At this current junction, Watson is clearly better than Josh....but him and the 3 you mentioned in the OP are probably it....I think the jury is still out on K Murray....but I wouldn't swap with Arizona at this point.... I think "clearly" is certainly debatable. 4 minutes ago, TH3 said: Wishing for something you can’t have.....is....actually.....not helpful Of course it is, it helps level set all the bitching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Watkins101 said: At this point in time, Watson has to be on that list- he has shown the ability to completely take over and dominate a game against good defenses. huh? Against Baltimore and Denver he racked up 1 TD and 3 INTs. In his last 3 games: 3 TDs 5 INTs. 5 games this year with zero TDs. You can have him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 My list is short: Mahomes Wilson That's it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: huh? Against Baltimore and Denver he racked up 1 TD and 3 INTs. In his last 3 games: 3 TDs 5 INTs. 5 games this year with zero TDs. You can have him. SO his career is summed up in 3 games? How about 9000 all purpose yards the last 2 seasons, a 21-10 record with a 68 completion percentage. Ohh, and playoffs 2years in a row as full time starter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: I think "clearly" is certainly debatable. Of course it is, it helps level set all the bitching. "Clearly" might be too strong of a word....but the question was whether or not we would swap QBs...Watson might not be " clearly" better, but he's certainly slightly better...therefore, I would make that trade in a second ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Max Fischer said: I think a helpful way to evaluate Josh Allen, his progress to date and his potential for the next few years is to determine which QBs you would swap for right now. My list: 1. Mahomes 2. Lamar Jackson 3. Russell Wilson That's probably it. Yes, Brady, Brees and Rodgers are great but they are 42, 40 and 36. With Josh, I believe the Bills are in a pretty good spot at QB. He "might" not get any better but over the past two season there is a lot of evidence he will continue to improve. No idea if he will lead the Bills to a Super Bowl over the next three years but I like our chances with Josh than any other QB but the three above. I would swap Lamar with Watson. Unless everything Lamar has is coming with him, I don't see him doing so well here. There are other guys I would take in their prime but not now at the end of their careers. Otherwise, there aren't really any QBs I can think of that I would trade Allen for right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Mahomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Max Fischer said: I think a helpful way to evaluate Josh Allen, his progress to date and his potential for the next few years is to determine which QBs you would swap for right now. My list: 1. Mahomes 2. Lamar Jackson 3. Russell Wilson That's probably it. Yes, Brady, Brees and Rodgers are great but they are 42, 40 and 36. With Josh, I believe the Bills are in a pretty good spot at QB. He "might" not get any better but over the past two season there is a lot of evidence he will continue to improve. No idea if he will lead the Bills to a Super Bowl over the next three years but I like our chances with Josh than any other QB but the three above. That’s insane 51 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: My list is short: Mahomes Wilson That's it That’s even more insane 23 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: Mahomes. And yet more insane. The homers are really out in this thread. Edited December 22, 2019 by BarleyNY 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 54 minutes ago, Real McNasty said: Pretty much only Watson here as well. 41 minutes ago, Real McNasty said: SO his career is summed up in 3 games? How about 9000 all purpose yards the last 2 seasons, a 21-10 record with a 68 completion percentage. Ohh, and playoffs 2years in a row as full time starter. Call it a trajectory. I mentioned this season re: 5 games zero TDs and poor showing vs top Ds. You would take him "only" over Mahomes and Wilson?? Like I said, you can have him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Why do people feel the need to start these asinine threads? We aren’t swapping QBs with anyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 I’d take Allen over anyone. I get that this is pure homer talk, but the guy was born to play in Buffalo. He was a Bill before he became a Bill. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Call it a trajectory. I mentioned this season re: 5 games zero TDs and poor showing vs top Ds. You would take him "only" over Mahomes and Wilson?? Like I said, you can have him WIlson is a baller. I didn't pop him up just based off age. I look at Mahomes as if he played with us now under the same conditions. I honestly don't believe he'd be playing better than Allen is here now. I also, think Allen has a higher ceiling overall. Houston is a an odd team no doubt. I hope the bad Texans show up when we (most likely) play them in the WC playoffs game in a couple weeks. I don't want to see the Texans team that beat the Chiefs and Pats this year. Either way I still take Watson all day. If the Texans actually give this dude a a good oline sky is the limit for him. He's been sacked 106 times in 2 years there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 I stick with Josh. Plenty of teams and their fan base wishing they had a QB as good as him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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