Kirby Jackson Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 We have had countless debates on here as to how the NFL may address these issues moving forward. MLB took big steps today and have gone a similar route to what i expect from the NFL. Thought this was really interesting and warranted discussion. Felt like it should be on the main board even though this is about how baseball handled it. Feel free to move it if so. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28283499/mlb-union-agree-opioid-testing-marijuana-removed-drug-abuse 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 You know this is coming to the NFL. It’s just A matter of what will the owners get the players to give up to get it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Percy Harvin May Unretire. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 Just now, atlbillsfan1975 said: You know this is coming to the NFL. It’s just A matter of what will the owners get the players to give up to get it? That’s my thought. My guess is that they do something similar. They will tighten up on opioids (which they pretty much look the other way on) and loosen up on marijuana. This feels like a big step. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) Big public developments like that will help diminish the stigma of (medical) marijuana use and get progress made that helps people's lives. One of our news stations up here just ran a piece on how a former athlete was able to kick an opioid habit with the help of CBD for his injuries, but the tone of it was still very much being wary of marijuana products. Edited December 12, 2019 by 1ManRaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Percy Harvin May Unretire. Karlos Williams may end up in Canton. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: We have had countless debates on here as to how the NFL may address these issues moving forward. MLB took big steps today and have gone a similar route to what i expect from the NFL. Thought this was really interesting and warranted discussion. Felt like it should be on the main board even though this is about how baseball handled it. Feel free to move it if so. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28283499/mlb-union-agree-opioid-testing-marijuana-removed-drug-abuse When reports say that "Half of the players in league" does it ... its time to make the change. edit - do it, does it?? pick your poison. Grammar isn't my forte (neither is spelling) P.S. Lets add whatever PED's TB12 is using and test the Pats*** weekly Edited December 12, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Next collective bargaining agreement will have this in it most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I'm not for legalizing marijuana but as long as it is legal in the state it shouldn't be illegal. The problem is what happens when the law of land in the state they are employed deems it illegal. They get caught with jail time, can the league ignore jail time with the conduct enforcement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said: I'm not for legalizing marijuana but as long as it is legal in the state it shouldn't be illegal. The problem is what happens when the law of land in the state they are employed deems it illegal. They get caught with jail time, can the league ignore jail time with the conduct enforcement? It’s decriminalized in so many places that I don’t know what it would take for jail time. If it’s an amount for personal consumption it’s a ticket. As an example I think it’s a $25 ticket in New Orleans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: It’s decriminalized in so many places that I don’t know what it would take for jail time. If it’s an amount for personal consumption it’s a ticket. As an example I think it’s a $25 ticket in New Orleans. i think it's the equivalent to a moving violation around here if i'm not mistaken, (under an ounce). something like 50 bucks. Edited December 12, 2019 by teef 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, jimmy10 said: Karlos Williams may end up in Canton. In his case it was a performance enhancing drug, for preggo sympathy eating Edited December 12, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: It’s decriminalized in so many places that I don’t know what it would take for jail time. If it’s an amount for personal consumption it’s a ticket. As an example I think it’s a $25 ticket in New Orleans. Fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 37 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: You know this is coming to the NFL. It’s just A matter of what will the owners get the players to give up to get it? Sadly it is so much this. Much like every other political debate - sure it makes sense, but we're not going to vote with it unless you give me an extra game on the schedule. 14 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said: I'm not for legalizing marijuana but as long as it is legal in the state it shouldn't be illegal. The problem is what happens when the law of land in the state they are employed deems it illegal. They get caught with jail time, can the league ignore jail time with the conduct enforcement? My thoughts on Weed and football... It's proven effective as a non-physically addictive pain aid. These guys get beat up daily. Instead we see them abusing opioids and toradol. I don't think weed is something that is going to drive people to need to go to rehab to fix their lives. Testing for drugs of abuse is less about punishing people, and more about making sure people are getting the help they need. They're already smoking it - they're just duping your drug testing systems or smoking weird synthetic stuff you can't test for (that is horrible for you) And on a brief aside - the best QB in my touch football league smokes before every game and it doesn't hinder his on field performance in the slightest. Possibly makes him better... A few too many beers...? Now we're talking... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) If our citizens and elected officials would get their combined heads out of their backsides and just legalize marijuana, and tax the ***** out of it, and control the distribution, ( how much one can purchase per week or not) it would achieve two major benefits, 1) remove the criminal element, 2) Fund social security / Medicare likely ending both solvency issues, this would benefit every citizen in our country, and on top of it, reduce the police departments work load. And frankly who in their right mind gives a ? if athletes smoke the stuff, it’s not like they are performing neurological surgery. Hell i’d have puff now and again if I didn’t have congestive heart failure, just sayin, ? Edited December 12, 2019 by Don Otreply 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: That’s my thought. My guess is that they do something similar. They will tighten up on opioids (which they pretty much look the other way on) and loosen up on marijuana. This feels like a big step. Problem with opiods and benzos is they are out of your system quick. THC has to metabolize in fat and can linger around in the big fellas a long time- but this is definitely a step in the right direction. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 54 minutes ago, teef said: i think it's the equivalent to a moving violation around here if i'm not mistaken, (under an ounce). something like 50 bucks. I can buy some at the store around the corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 56 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I can buy some at the store around the corner. Don’t you tease me like that. I went into ma first dispensary a few weeks ago in Niagara Falls. It made me hate NY even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?!?! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, teef said: Don’t you tease me like that. I went into ma first dispensary a few weeks ago in Niagara Falls. It made me hate NY even more. Actually I don't even buy anything. I have a friend who grows his own (legally) and I get enough for movies and chilling for free. Now that I'm an old man it don't take much. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Actually I don't even buy anything. I have a friend who grows his own (legally) and I get enough for movies and chilling for free. Now that I'm an old man it don't take much. LOL Yup. You’re trying to tease me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 It’s amazing it’s taken this long. For the country and for sports. It’s always been troubling to me how they can sell alcohol which kills 1000’s yearly and be so hard on marijuana. While I could agree there’s effects to weed it’s nothing like other legal stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 The NFL's stance is really senseless, if their goal is protecting the league image. Today, the league pee tests players and publicly punishes failures for marijuana. When the league publicizes the failure, they 'tarnish' their own image. Instead, I think the league should punish players that get into legal trouble with cannabis. Those players are impacting the image. Otherwise, the NFL should basically ignore its use as it is not considered a performance enhancer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 2 hours ago, jimmy10 said: Karlos Williams may end up in Canton. ....at the Canton Cracker Barrel all-you-can-eat buffet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: I can buy some at the store around the corner. You’re a Rocky Mountain guy, able to experience a Rocky Mountain high? 15 minutes ago, KD in CA said: ....at the Canton Cracker Barrel all-you-can-eat buffet? A Cracker Barrel in Ohio?! Shirley, you jest! ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Percy Harvin May Unretire. Ricky Williams just went back into training. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 hour ago, SWATeam said: BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?!?! They are busy eating Xanax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 4 hours ago, jimmy10 said: Karlos Williams may end up in Canton. ...the province in China?........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: You’re a Rocky Mountain guy, able to experience a Rocky Mountain high? A Cracker Barrel in Ohio?! Shirley, you jest! ? I don’t, and don’t call me Shirley...? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 5 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Percy Harvin May Unretire. the Bills are praying for the chance to hand him millions and get nothing in return again? 4 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Next collective bargaining agreement will have this in it most likely. the NFL's insurance issues are exponential compared to MLB's.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I'm assuming the opioid testing increase is mainly in response to Tyler Skaggs. As far as weed goes it should be the same as alcohol as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: I'm assuming the opioid testing increase is mainly in response to Tyler Skaggs. As far as weed goes it should be the same as alcohol as far as I'm concerned. It sounded like that was a big reason why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) If putting weed back in play keeps one guy off of opioids, it’s worth it. That’s not as much hyperbole as you may think. . Edited December 13, 2019 by Augie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I’m a disabled vet and an individual with cancer. I played footballs eons ago (or so it seems). We’ve got to get over the stigma of marijuana. Is it far more potent than yesteryear? Yup. Does it solve a problem? Yup. These men are at the apex of their sports life and DESERVE to alleviate the inevitable pains that come from it without fear of prosecution. Bob Marley said it best and I’ll mic drop now. ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZBILLS Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Weed free for all. Patrons and Players. Stadiums wafting with the smell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: It’s decriminalized in so many places that I don’t know what it would take for jail time. If it’s an amount for personal consumption it’s a ticket. As an example I think it’s a $25 ticket in New Orleans. Yep, so many of the cities around Atlanta are making it a Ticket as well. I know a couple that is $75 as long as you have a min amount for personal usage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 4 hours ago, billsfan_34 said: Problem with opiods and benzos is they are out of your system quick. THC has to metabolize in fat and can linger around in the big fellas a long time- but this is definitely a step in the right direction. I wonder if they will go with hair tests, at least with some suspicion/cause. Even with short hair they can use hair from your armpits (which is rather unpleasant!) but it is a vastly more effective test than urine or blood. I do like that the aim seems to be geared toward help rather than penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I really cant see the NFL cracking down on pain Killers . these guys beat the S:*% out each for 3 hours straight every week plus there would be alot more players on the Injury report every week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 I think that the topic is interesting and MLB has just given the NFL a road map (and cover). I’ve said it a zillion times before but the NFL is the reactionary league. They are never the innovator. This is likely the first domino to fall IMO. I expect this exact conversation to be a MAJOR part of the next CBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 6 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: You know this is coming to the NFL. It’s just A matter of what will the owners get the players to give up to get it? Players may have to start kneeling before the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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