Cleveland Fans Triggered by Mike Tomlin

[Hapless Bills Fan]

https://triblive.com/sports/tim-benz-steelers-mike-tomlins-comments-on-myles-garrett-triggers-rage-from-browns-fans/

 

"During his weekly press conference Tuesday, Pittsburgh Steelers coach Mike Tomlin made the following comments about Myles Garrett swinging his helmet at Mason Rudolph in last Thursday’s game.

He was asked if it was at all a “teachable moment” for his players.

“I don’t know that we did anything to make it happen in the first place,” Tomlin replied. “That’s why I said we didn’t have anything to learn from it.”

 

Mary Kay Cabot tweeted that out, and Cleveland Fans went off the rails.  

 

Your Thoughts? 

 

I personally find Tomlin's decision to run a short pass play there kind of questionable.  Why put your players at risk, especially your young QB?  If you're going to run a play, take a shot: make it the longest pass that you can.

 

And I think there is a teachable moment there for young Rudolph that the best ability is "availability" - don't let your temper put you at risk.

 

On the other hand, the blame-deflection game by Cleveland fans IS unreal, as called out above. 

 

 

 

[Bangarang]

Sometimes, fans say really stupid things.

[Happy]

Really the only teachable moment here is that you don't need to run a play (other than kneeling) with 8 seconds left and down 2 TDs.  Doubt Tomlin learns from this, though since he is not the sharpest tool in the shed.

And I'm not excusing Myles Garret at all, I think he was clearly in the wrong; Tomlin had zero chance to win the game and shouldn't have run an actual play in this particular instance.

[Tenhigh]

5 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Sometimes, fans say really stupid things.

So does Tomlin. Rudolph is not without any blame here.

[billsfanmiami(oh)]

Tomlin is a scum as well. Anyone remember the sideline trip? 

[Bills fan since 87]

2 minutes ago, billsfanmiami(oh) said:

Tomlin is a scum as well. Anyone remember the sideline trip? 

 

How that's not something that warranted a multiple game suspension I'll never know

[Mango]

I get the whole MR went for Myles Garrets helmet first. I have 2 thoughts on that:

 

1. Mason Rudolph didn’t succeed in taking his helmet off and then also did not swing it at anybody’s head. 

2. It was a late hit and MG was driving the QB into the ground. Both penalties. The whole thing looked like a scuffle on the ground, that happens sometimes in football. Not a huge deal until....

 

I am with Tomlin on this one. 

[DrDawkinstein]

Cleveland fans can cry all they want, Garrett is still the scumbag here.

 

Everything that happened was "regular football stuff" all the way to the point that Garrett decided to cross the line and swing a helmet at an unprotected head. Doesnt matter what lead up to it because nothing else crossed any lines. HE crossed the line.

 

Funny enough, not a SINGLE player-turned-analyst has defended Garrett. Not even some of the dumber ones that normally look for contrarian hot takes. Every one of them agrees Garrett was the one and only one to cross the line.

[whatdrought]

Shoulda said “yeah, we learned that their best player doesn’t want to play this year.” 

 

Really troll the brownies. ?

[Seasons1992]

23 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Sometimes, fans say really stupid things.

 

Where in the WORLD on the Internet did you find this nonsense?

[whatdrought]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Cleveland fans can cry all they want, Garrett is still the scumbag here.

 

Everything that happened was "regular football stuff" all the way to the point that Garrett decided to cross the line and swing a helmet at an unprotected head. Doesnt matter what lead up to it because nothing else crossed any lines. HE crossed the line.

 

Funny enough, not a SINGLE player-turned-analyst has defended Garrett. Not even some of the dumber ones that normally look for contrarian hot takes. Every one of them agrees Garrett was the one and only one to cross the line.

 

James Jones made a small attempt to defend Garret but he gave it up quickly when realizing how much of an idiot it made him look.

[Codyny13]

Funny somebody questioned the play call as the cause lol...that’s laughable.

 

Garret started the nonsense in the way he took him down, in my eyes, it looked as if he was trying to add more to the hit by twisting him. I don’t see any problem with Mason doing what he did to try and get him off him. You can’t expect a grown ass man to just walk away after getting your helmet ripped off. 

[row_33]

scary how some people insist on thinking they are like Einstein for trying to see anything other than a scuffle (doesn't matter if the QB started it) and someone losing his cool and going ultra-violent in the heat of the moment

 

can't do this ***** on the field, you kids at home pay attention

 

 

[Say When...]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

I get the whole MR went for Myles Garrets helmet first. I have 2 thoughts on that:

 

1. Mason Rudolph didn’t succeed in taking his helmet off and then also did not swing it at anybody’s head. 

2. It was a late hit and MG was driving the QB into the ground. Both penalties. The whole thing looked like a scuffle on the ground, that happens sometimes in football. Not a huge deal until....

 

I am with Tomlin on this one. 

 

This ^^ - that was nothing more than a frustrated player having a bad game reacting to #2 above with "get off me!".

 

for me, i used to feel sorry for Browns fans (see the irony there?) as i remember them being a much more humble fanbase but i toured a few of their boards the week we were to play them, misplaced anger, cockiness rivaling Pats fans, horrible statements about teams/players, hell even each other.  and this is beyond "we're tired of losing" this was whiney, crybaby, wet the bed behavior.

 

anyway, they now rank up in my top 5 of worst NFL fan bases and that's unfortunate, i thought they were better than that.

[row_33]

8 minutes ago, Say When... said:

 

This ^^ - that was nothing more than a frustrated player having a bad game reacting to #2 above with "get off me!".

 

for me, i used to feel sorry for Browns fans (see the irony there?) as i remember them being a much more humble fanbase but i toured a few of their boards the week we were to play them, misplaced anger, cockiness rivaling Pats fans, horrible statements about teams/players, hell even each other.  and this is beyond "we're tired of losing" this was whiney, crybaby, wet the bed behavior.

 

anyway, they now rank up in my top 5 of worst NFL fan bases and that's unfortunate, i thought they were better than that.

 

it's not really the fanbase or soul of Jim Brown and Otto Graham, that went to another city....

 

 

Edited November 20, 2019 by row_33

[PatsFanNH]

40 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

https://triblive.com/sports/tim-benz-steelers-mike-tomlins-comments-on-myles-garrett-triggers-rage-from-browns-fans/

 

"During his weekly press conference Tuesday, Pittsburgh Steelers coach Mike Tomlin made the following comments about Myles Garrett swinging his helmet at Mason Rudolph in last Thursday’s game.

He was asked if it was at all a “teachable moment” for his players.

“I don’t know that we did anything to make it happen in the first place,” Tomlin replied. “That’s why I said we didn’t have anything to learn from it.”

 

Mary Kay Cabot tweeted that out, and Cleveland Fans went off the rails.  

 

Your Thoughts? 

 

I personally find Tomlin's decision to run a short pass play there kind of questionable.  Why put your players at risk, especially your young QB?  If you're going to run a play, take a shot: make it the longest pass that you can.

 

And I think there is a teachable moment there for young Rudolph that the best ability is "availability" - don't let your temper put you at risk.

 

On the other hand, the blame-deflection game by Cleveland fans IS unreal, as called out above. 

 

 

 

Tomlinson is a tool!  Of course it was a teachable moment, how? By teaching them to disengage and walk away especially a QB! Garrett was the ultimate tool, but Pouncey And Rudolph were also Dumb.  I’m shocked Rudolph didn’t get a game  himself for the ruckus..  whenever you get suspended it’s a teachable moment how prevent said suspension. 

[njbuff]

17 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Cleveland fans can cry all they want, Garrett is still the scumbag here.

 

Everything that happened was "regular football stuff" all the way to the point that Garrett decided to cross the line and swing a helmet at an unprotected head. Doesnt matter what lead up to it because nothing else crossed any lines. HE crossed the line.

 

Funny enough, not a SINGLE player-turned-analyst has defended Garrett. Not even some of the dumber ones that normally look for contrarian hot takes. Every one of them agrees Garrett was the one and only one to cross the line.

Actually, Bart Scott was the closest one in defending Garrett.

 

At least Scott tried to talk about Garrett’s side of Garrett’s stupidness.

[apuszczalowski]

19 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Cleveland fans can cry all they want, Garrett is still the scumbag here.

 

Everything that happened was "regular football stuff" all the way to the point that Garrett decided to cross the line and swing a helmet at an unprotected head. Doesnt matter what lead up to it because nothing else crossed any lines. HE crossed the line.

 

Funny enough, not a SINGLE player-turned-analyst has defended Garrett. Not even some of the dumber ones that normally look for contrarian hot takes. Every one of them agrees Garrett was the one and only one to cross the line.

I saw Gronk on Fox's pre-pregame show kind of defend it by saying there are times you blackout from anger building up during the game and then do something stupid that you immediately regret. He then used his hit on White as an example, saying he was held and had a bunch of things happen during the game to him that his frustration blew up and he dropped the elbow on him which he immediately realised was wrong and regretted. His whole explanation sounded more like he was suffering 'roid rage though...... 

[eball]

The only takeaway from this is how embarrassing it is to see and hear Browns fans trying to justify Garrett's actions.

[BuffaloBillyG]

Fans of the Cleveland Browns have no issues cheering for scum like Jarvis Landry and Kareem Hunt. I'm not shocked at all they try and justify what was likely the most vile action on an NFL field in the history of the league. 

 

I don't care if Garret writes poetry, loves dinosaurs and is a good dude off the field. What he did and the level he reached on the field was beyond inexcusable. 

 

Rudolph, in my opinion acted like a punk. I wouldn't have been the least bit upset if Garrett gave him a good old fashioned right cross. But to forcibly strike another person on the head with a blunt object is too far.

[Mango]

46 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

So does Tomlin. Rudolph is not without any blame here.

 

Rudolph got in a scuffle. It happens. Worst case scenario before the helmet swing was probably offsetting penalties to both MG and MR. How a flag wasn’t thrown when MR got hit is beyond me. MG took things to a totally different level. Nothing that happened was worthy of MG’s actions. 

 

This is very much a “but did you see what she was wearing” moment for some people. 

[billsfan1959]

To insinuate in any way that Mason Rudolph did anything to cause or warrant being struck in the head with a blunt object, an act of pure aggression with potentially lethal consequences, is pure foolishness.

[TigerJ]

Could the Steelers, including Tomlin and Rudolph pursued a different course of action that would not have resulted in Garrett's assault.  Yeah, sure, but every situation is unique and Garrett still bears responsibility for his violent act.

[RiotAct]

that last tweet in the OP is a blazing hot take.

 

”Easy way to avoid the situation. Don’t throw ball in an unwinnable game with 8 seconds left“

 

Aka... don’t play football in a football game!  ?

[Meatloaf63]

22 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Tomlinson is a tool!  Of course it was a teachable moment, how? By teaching them to disengage and walk away especially a QB! Garrett was the ultimate tool, but Pouncey And Rudolph were also Dumb.  I’m shocked Rudolph didn’t get a game  himself for the ruckus..  whenever you get suspended it’s a teachable moment how prevent said suspension. 

The one view I saw Rudolph kicked him in the twig and berries, he deserves some punishment here too. I’m not letting Garrett off the hook cause that was stupid, but getting kicked in that location can make a man do foolish things..,

7 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

To insinuate in any way that Mason Rudolph did anything to cause or warrant being struck in the head with a blunt object, an act of pure aggression with potentially lethal consequences, is pure foolishness.

As I said in another post, he kicked Garret in the groin, to say he didn’t do anything is a serious stretch. Garrett lost control and now he’s paying the price for stupidity and a truly reckless act, Luckey he’s not facing charges, but Rudolf was no angel here..,

[ProcessYaDigg]

I don't understand why the Browns were even trying to take down Mason Rudolph.  The game was already done no matter the outcome of that play.  Plenty of blame goes to both sides because neither team were playing smart football at all during those final seconds.  As some of you mentioned, just through a hail mary pass or pull a new play out of the book to see if it works.  No pressure was needed on the line at all from either team.  MG was clearly playing selfish ball by trying to add to his stat line.  I understand, the Steelers have owned the Browns for years, so it must have felt nice to beat them down the way they did, but there's absolutely no need to try and kick them while they're down. 

[frostbitmic]

Gronks hit on Tre White was far worse that what Garrett did with Rudolphs Helmet. Gronk only got a 1 game suspension and therefore Garrett shouldn't get more than 1 game.

 

Sorry, but going at the back of the neck with a metal arm brace on a player who is laying on the ground is 100% worse than swinging a helmet at someone.

[mykidsdad]

I agree with the substance of what Tomlin said, but it strikes me as callous and arrogant. His players can learn from anything. Have some perspective. The more I hear from him the more he rubs me wrong. Who knows he could be a great guy, and he's obviously a good coach, but I don't like the way he comes across here.

[billsfan1959]

15 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

The one view I saw Rudolph kicked him in the twig and berries, he deserves some punishment here too. I’m not letting Garrett off the hook cause that was stupid, but getting kicked in that location can make a man do foolish things..,

As I said in another post, he kicked Garret in the groin, to say he didn’t do anything is a serious stretch. Garrett lost control and now he’s paying the price for stupidity and a truly reckless act, Luckey he’s not facing charges, but Rudolf was no angel here..,

I didn't say Rudolph didn't do anything, serious or otherwise.

 

What I said was this: It did not cause or warrant what Garrett did with the helmet. Garrett, and Garrett alone, decided to swing a helmet at another man's bare head. When you lose your temper to the point you purposefully engage in an act that could potentially have serious physical (to include lethal) consequences, that is on YOU.

Edited November 20, 2019 by billsfan1959

[Meatloaf63]

18 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

I didn't say Rudolph didn't do anything, serious or otherwise.

 

What I said was this: It did not cause or warrant what Garrett did with the helmet. Garrett, and Garrett alone, decided to swing a helmet at another man's bare head. When you lose your temper to the point you purposefully engage in an act that could potentially have serious physical (to include lethal) consequences, that is on YOU.

You certainly did say that...

“To insinuate in any way that Mason Rudolph did anything to cause or warrant being struck in the head with a blunt object, an act of pure aggression with potentially lethal consequences, is pure foolishness.”

Garrett certainly is responsible for letting himself get triggered into his response. But these aren’t rocket scientists here, they have been trained to be violent for over half their lives. Rudolph was kidding himself if he didn’t think his actions wouldn’t cause a response. I don’t approve of Garrets response, but I understand it.

Edited November 20, 2019 by Meatloaf63

[row_33]

23 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

Gronks hit on Tre White was far worse that what Garrett did with Rudolphs Helmet. Gronk only got a 1 game suspension and therefore Garrett shouldn't get more than 1 game.

 

Sorry, but going at the back of the neck with a metal arm brace on a player who is laying on the ground is 100% worse than swinging a helmet at someone.

 

in brute force for sure

 

in entertainment impact, with DAYS ON END to discuss Garrett ENDLESSLY, not at all

 

Garrett was in the wrong place and it musta been the wrong time, good riddance young man

 

[JESSEFEFFER]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

I get the whole MR went for Myles Garrets helmet first. I have 2 thoughts on that:

 

1. Mason Rudolph didn’t succeed in taking his helmet off and then also did not swing it at anybody’s head. 

2. It was a late hit and MG was driving the QB into the ground. Both penalties. The whole thing looked like a scuffle on the ground, that happens sometimes in football. Not a huge deal until....

 

I am with Tomlin on this one. 

 

The throw was made with Garrett within a step.  He was so close, withing inches actually,  that Rudolph could only make a push of a throw.  There is no way that a defender in that position can know if the ball was out unless he can see out his ear hole.  He did wrap and then take him down late with a gator roll but, again, the defender could not know if the ball was actually delivered.   That's the way to take a QB down without landing on him with his full weight which is a penalty.  Garrett hits the ground first and Rudolph lands on top of him and then is rolled to the side.  They are then face to face.  Rudolph has played an awful game, just gotten rag dolled to the ground and takes exception to it.  Mayhem results.

 

I'll bet the Bills defenders have problems with Rudolph too.  He seems like that kind of player.

Edited November 20, 2019 by JESSEFEFFER

[row_33]

don't be a poster boy for demonstrating the integrity of The Shield

[JoshAllin]

1 hour ago, Happy Gilmore said:

Really the only teachable moment here is that you don't need to run a play (other than kneeling) with 8 seconds left and down 2 TDs.  Doubt Tomlin learns from this, though since he is not the sharpest tool in the shed.

And I'm not excusing Myles Garret at all, I think he was clearly in the wrong; Tomlin had zero chance to win the game and shouldn't have run an actual play in this particular instance.

Every week teams with no chance of winning in the final minutes play till the final seconds without any hitches, so I dont see any probs playing till the final secs for extra reps, especially with the defense still playing hard

[BritBill]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

Funny enough, not a SINGLE player-turned-analyst has defended Garrett. Not even some of the dumber ones that normally look for contrarian hot takes. Every one of them agrees Garrett was the one and only one to cross the line.

 

Osi Umenyiora thought the ban was harsh. That’s as close as I’ve found to anyone in the media defending Garrett.

 

 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/american-football/50494989

Edited November 20, 2019 by BritBill

[4_kidd_4]

I have a Browns fan client, came into the office friday morning basically gloating about it, like he was proud of the moment.

 

Yipes.

[Tenhigh]

53 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

Rudolph got in a scuffle. It happens. Worst case scenario before the helmet swing was probably offsetting penalties to both MG and MR. How a flag wasn’t thrown when MR got hit is beyond me. MG took things to a totally different level. Nothing that happened was worthy of MG’s actions. 

 

This is very much a “but did you see what she was wearing” moment for some people. 

Not at all, and your rape analogy is ridiculous and offensiveto real rape victims.  Rudolph got tackled hard. He went crazy.  Garrett over reacted and beat him with  his own helmet. On a douche bag scale, Garrett gets a 10 and Rudolph scores an 8. 

[Bobby Hooks]

29 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

You certainly did say that...

“To insinuate in any way that Mason Rudolph did anything to cause or warrant being struck in the head with a blunt object, an act of pure aggression with potentially lethal consequences, is pure foolishness.”

Garrett certainly is responsible for letting himself get triggered into his response. But these aren’t rocket scientists here, they have been trained to be violent for over half their lives. Rudolph was kidding himself if he didn’t think his actions wouldn’t cause a response. I don’t approve of Garrets response, but I understand it.

 

Well then why doesn't this happen every game? I've been watching for over 20 years and i've never seen it before. I'm not sure where you're going with this  "i understand it", i'm sure everyone can understand being in a situation that would lead to that type of rage. I bet many and all of them for everyone here would be protecting family, etc. Not getting really angry playing a game. i don't know if you're just trying to be ultra-open-minded or what but you may need to re-evaluate what actually happened. 

[Kiva]

Both these teams suck and they’re lame just reaching for relevance. 
 

We should move on and forget about the mistake called Myles Garrett. The stain of the nfl. 

[Royale with Cheese]

28 minutes ago, eball said:

The only takeaway from this is how embarrassing it is to see and hear Browns fans trying to justify Garrett's actions.

 

I know.  One dude said Rudolph deserved it???