Brandt: "People are crazy to tell Josh Allen not to run"

[Mojo44]

32 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

   Me thinks someone has never watched the two QBs I’m comparing, not understanding what they are seeing in real time and pulling the trigger On time.

    The difference is JP never got it and we are seeing JA starting to get it. 
    Having said that, the middle part of this season was tough to watch.

 I’ve watch them both! There is no comparison. You are taking a generic quarterback issue and then making a specific comparison that is way off. A ton of young quarterbacks have this issue.  With your criteria, you could just as easily compare him to a young  Farvre. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

5 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

 

I think Russell Wilson is the gold standard for running qb's.   Elusive, shifty but very aware of where the big hit can come from and geting down quickly.   

Josh has the insincts and the big Gronk stride where he doesn't look fast but he runs by you.   

The majority of qb's that run a lot have shorter careers and miss more games along the way though.

 

Wilsons never missed a game - pretty crazy.

[Kirby Jackson]

I’m with Kyle Brandt. Josh is an elite runner. Why would you want him not to run? Injuries can happen on any play so I don’t want to hear that nonsense. The Bills lack playmakers and Josh is one of the few that they have. He needs to make plays with his arms and legs for this team to succeed. He’s a spitting image of a young Cam Newton. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

39 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:

I watched Wentz against NE as well.  He was missing the throws he made against the Bills.  Hence the different results.  Allen needs to run some to keep the D off balance, and designed runs can be a few of them.  I liked the TD run against Miami......the circumstance where he is most effective is near the goal line....as the run or throw option keeps the D off balance.  I look to him throwing more and faking the run in the future.

 

Do you know why?

 

IMO, it's that extra fraction of the second he got to throw, from his offensive line.  Every QB looks worse when they don't get that.  Every.  QB.  It's one big reason Josh looked much better this week than last.  He had time, and more important, he had confidence that he had time.

 

It's the reason the Patriots BEGGED retired OL coach Dante Scarnecchia to return.  He's the man behind the throne, he really is.  No one can weld scraps and dust bunnies into an effective OL like he can, and I hate like hell that he's a Patriots coach and I'm saying that.  If he could bottle up what he's got and sell it, 31 other teams in the league would queue up and buy.

 

The Eagles moved the ball in the first half.  They went into the half leading by 1 point.  Both Wentz tackles (Lane Johnson and Peters) went out in the second half, he lost that extra fraction of a second, and the Eagles lost the game.

 

The difference in the Eagles-Bills game was not passing, it was rushing success.  They ran the ball with some success on us and racked up some YAC.  We didn't try and when we did, we didn't succeed.  Wentz only passed for 3 yards more than Allen.  173 yards, of which he completed only 1 pass longer than 15 yds from the line of scrimmage.  He only threw 24 times though, and most of them were short.  Check it out (passing chart of Wentz for Eagles-Bills game.

[Dablitzkrieg]

1 hour ago, TheElectricCompany said:

Allen runs like Cam and Tebow, which is a long term concern. You can't have your QB playing power back.

He should run like Lamar and juke people out of their cleats ?

 

What year is it?  Have you seen how big and strong Josh is?  He will be fine in spot running.  Lamar Jackson on the other ✋

[JerseyBills]

6'6. 250 with that speed? Dang right he should be. Derek Carr has 2 turnovers off runs likethat TD. Run vs Mia  He's got amazing instincts running the rock

[T master]

I agree they definitely need to let him utilize all the tools he has & not try to pigeon hole him into a "Pocket passer" he is what he is & he is most dangerous to other teams when he is that guy & last week they let him be that guy, i just hope they continue to let him be who he is !! 

[IDBillzFan]

22 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m with Kyle Brandt.

 

KYLE Brandt?

 

Oh, crap. I saw the headline and thought it was Gil Brandt.

 

I'll go back and listen to it now that I don't have to worry about falling asleep at my desk after the first five words.

[Buffalo Boy]

24 minutes ago, Mojo44 said:

You are taking a generic quarterback issue

    Which is what I said by qualifying it with the “ Rational mind” statement. 

48 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

I watched both of them and agree they arent anywhere near the same guy.  J.P. sat back and watched and watched because he could hit one pass, deep and outside the hashes.   Allen is a much more nuanced passer who hits players over the middle of the field, but has a much harder time with throws outside the hash like I just said JP did well.   Maybe they both take time in the pocket but for different reasons.   Like the other poster said, Josh is going through progressions.   JP was waiting for someone to break free deep.    Essentially J.P. was waiting for someone to break off of the called route and turn it into a 9 route while he scrambled around the field.

 

[Golden*Wheels]

Just make the playoffs

 

then tell the kid...you do what you need to do as there are no more tomorrows.

[Ramza86]

The reason they want him to stay in the pocket is so he can learn the QB position. 

 

The legs are supposed to be a bonus, not emphasis. 

 

He needs to be in the pocket as much as he can so he can continue learning the game and working on making every throw.

 

Last year Josh was bailing the pocket super early. This year he is learning to work a pocket and stay poised. Hes looked much better and is much more patient. 

[Seasons1992]

Kyle Brandt once was shopping for houses, and was on the 2nd floor of an open house; apparently, he had zero chance to get out of the house to make a @plenzmd1 upper-deck transaction. 

He finished and immediately ran out of the house and never said anything to anyone until he told that story on the radio in his previous job.

 

 

 

[Tesla03]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Boy said:

   My emotional mind tells me he’s Losman 2.0 without the deep ball, standing back there over processing and over thinking.

   My rational mind sees the progress. A thousand times better in the short game. Throwing it away when there is nothing there. Watching Wentz against NE, I saw similar play. His throws are in accurate to the high side.

    I don’t like the designed runs where the o line is bunched in tight with TEs. I HATE the read option, it will get him killed. He is best when the safeties are deep and there is room to run: Four or Five wides.

 

what are you talking about? Read option is arguably his best trait as a QB. Did you not see him freezing Miami's entire defense last weekend? 

 

he did it well at the end of last season also. The problem is Dabboll refuses to use it. Imo if we don't let Allen start running more there is no way we beat some of these tough teams coming up and make the playoffs this year. 

[IDBillzFan]

29 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

This year he is learning to work a pocket and stay poised. Hes looked much better and is much more patient. 

 

I loved watching him stand in the pocket against Miami. Probably the most confident I've seen him standing back there, going through progressions. 

 

Let me say it again for the Veruca Salt people; rational fans were never under the impression the Bills were going to the Super Bowl this year. Playoffs, preferably, yes, but the key this year was to come out of the season confident you have your quarterback, and if you don't absolutely see how much better he is getting, and how much better this team is getting, then you're just another fan who gets their joy from watching Bills fans in misery. Hell, his redzone success alone should have fans thrilled.

[Boca BIlls]

When you tell someone not to do something that is when they get hurt. Josh just needs to play all out.

[Ramza86]

Just now, IDBillzFan said:

 

I loved watching him stand in the pocket against Miami. Probably the most confident I've seen him standing back there, going through progressions. 

 

Let me say it again for the Veruca Salt people; rational fans were never under the impression the Bills were going to the Super Bowl this year. Playoffs, preferably, yes, but the key this year was to come out of the season confident you have your quarterback, and if you don't absolutely see how much better he is getting, and how much better this team is getting, then you're just another fan who gets their joy from watching Bills fans in misery. Hell, his redzone success alone should have fans thrilled.

 

100%. Coming into the year. I honestly didnt see this team even being in the Wildcard race.

 

We upgraded the line but...we just didnt know how much of an improvement it would be. 

 

The preseason was an indicator that the focus was making Josh a complete QB. Working on his short passing game and game managing. 

[Freddie's Dead]

Brandt won't be happy until JA gets another Angry Run crown.  I was a little ticked that they didn't at least nominate Hard Knox for that wicked stiff arm on his TD catch.

[eball]

2 hours ago, TheElectricCompany said:

 

I think Lamar will be more like Russel Wilson long term. He has the speed and elusiveness to get to the sideline after picking up the first. 

The 40 yard dashes between the tackles are awesome, but not sustainable. 

 

I don't know, man.  I mean, Wilson is such a smart passer and a true student of the game.  He is a passer first and runner second.  I don't see Lamar becoming that sort of player; I think he'll go as long as his legs allow him to, but if it gets to the point where teams can force him to be a pocket passer I don't believe he will be half the QB Wilson is.

 

Wilson is a HOFer.  Lamar is at this point a novelty, and we don't know what his shelf life will be.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, TheElectricCompany said:

Allen runs like Cam and Tebow, which is a long term concern. You can't have your QB playing power back.

He should run like Lamar and juke people out of their cleats ?

 

 

He can't run like Lamar.  Lamar is just Sick.  No one runs like Lamar, including most of the league's RBs.

 

I think they've successfully coached most of the "power back" put-your-head-down-and-stiff-arm out of Josh.

[mykidsdad]

Kyle Brandt (GMFB) on the One Bills Drive interview says he believes that all of his three co hosts (Kay Adams, Nate Burleson, and Peter Schrager) have NOT watched a SINGLE snap of the Bills all year. For all of us who read and listen to the media make stale comments on the Bills and wonder what is going on, here's a little proof.

[2003Contenders]

I like the play calls (in regards to Josh's running) that were invoked against Miami this past week. That should be a decent blueprint for success. Of course, other defenses (including the Broncos this week) are significantly better than Miami's. It's doubtful, for example, that Josh will have the time to sit back in the pocket like he did against Miami. The running game (outside of Josh) needs to be better utilized -- beginning this week. (Note that the Broncos' pass defense is significantly better than their run defense.) 

Edited November 20, 2019 by 2003Contenders

[Magox]

4 hours ago, HOUSE said:

 

 

If Buffalo wants to make a late-season run, Brandt believes Allen shouldn't hold back on scrambling. 

 

https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/opinion/brandt-people-are-crazy-tell-josh-allen-not-run

 

 

 

I am totally in this camp!   He should run the ball, he's good at it.  He just needs to protect it better because the defenses know he can be prone to fumbling it.

[Buffalo Boy]

1 hour ago, Tesla03 said:

 

what are you talking about? Read option is arguably his best trait as a QB. Did you not see him freezing Miami's entire defense last weekend? 

 

he did it well at the end of last season also. The problem is Dabboll refuses to use it. Imo if we don't let Allen start running more there is no way we beat some of these tough teams coming up and make the playoffs this year. 

   I’ve watched a beast of a Human being , Cam Newton, have his career ended half a decade early by being used as an integral part of the Panther’s Run offense for years behind lacking O lines.

    Shula loved the Option and Cam got the snot beaten out of him repeatedly in the process.

    So, sure, it can be effective and using it as a ruse to freeze LBs and Safeties is awesome. JA actually keeping the ball on a regular basis and taking the hits is not something I want to see. 
   I want him running in the open and learning to almost ALWAYS slide before taking any hits. 

[Bangarang]

He’s too good of a runner to not do it. Just be smart about it.

[TheElectricCompany]

1 hour ago, eball said:

 

I don't know, man.  I mean, Wilson is such a smart passer and a true student of the game.  He is a passer first and runner second.  I don't see Lamar becoming that sort of player; I think he'll go as long as his legs allow him to, but if it gets to the point where teams can force him to be a pocket passer I don't believe he will be half the QB Wilson is.

 

Wilson is a HOFer.  Lamar is at this point a novelty, and we don't know what his shelf life will be.

 

Wilson was a quality QB early in his career, but he wasn't torching teams with his arm. Now he can. He runs much less than he used but still remains a premier dual threat. 

 

Let's cut Lamar some slack. He's at ~16 games  and looks unreal in year 2. To call him a novelty is a joke. 

 

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

He can't run like Lamar.  Lamar is just Sick.  No one runs like Lamar, including most of the league's RBs.

 

I think they've successfully coached most of the "power back" put-your-head-down-and-stiff-arm out of Josh.

 

Of course not, that's what makes him unique. 

 

We haven't seen as many explosive runs from Josh in 2019. If that's a result of playcalling, defensive spys, minimizing the powerback role, I don't know, but I don't see the point of having him take those big hits if he's getting you 4-5 yards.  He's a big guy, but those hits add up. 

Edited November 20, 2019 by TheElectricCompany

[Santana]

4 hours ago, HOUSE said:

 

 

If Buffalo wants to make a late-season run, Brandt believes Allen shouldn't hold back on scrambling. 

 

https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/opinion/brandt-people-are-crazy-tell-josh-allen-not-run

 

 

I WHOLE HEARTEDLY agree with this one. It's mind baffling to me how his running has not been emphasized more. When Josh Allen runs the Bills passing offense opens right up.

[TigerJ]

I don't mind the running.  He just needs to be smart about it.  If he's made the first down, slide when there's a risk of taking a big hit, or go out of bounds.

[Nextmanup]

2 hours ago, Ramza86 said:

The reason they want him to stay in the pocket is so he can learn the QB position. 

 

The legs are supposed to be a bonus, not emphasis. 

 

He needs to be in the pocket as much as he can so he can continue learning the game and working on making every throw.

 

Last year Josh was bailing the pocket super early. This year he is learning to work a pocket and stay poised. Hes looked much better and is much more patient. 

Why isn't Baltimore concerned about these things with Lamar Jackson?

 

We've seen enough; Josh Allen is not going to be a classic pocket passer, ever.

 

Let him run.  It's the only dangerous thing he does.

 

[eball]

6 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said:

Let's cut Lamar some slack. He's at ~16 games  and looks unreal in year 2. To call him a novelty is a joke. 

 

nov - el - ty (noun) -- the quality of being new, original, or unusual.

 

Exactly how is it a "joke" to describe Lamar and the Ravens' 2019 offense in this manner?

[TheElectricCompany]

Just now, eball said:

 

nov - el - ty (noun) -- the quality of being new, original, or unusual.

 

Exactly how is it a "joke" to describe Lamar and the Ravens' 2019 offense in this manner?

 

A mobile QB isn't new, nor are Greg Roman's concepts. 

You're diminishing his accomplishments to date, as well as his opportunity to improve. 

Talent like Jackson doesn't come into the league often. Sit back and enjoy it. 

 

[Ramza86]

Just now, Nextmanup said:

Why isn't Baltimore concerned about these things with Lamar Jackson?

 

We've seen enough; Josh Allen is not going to be a classic pocket passer, ever.

 

Let him run.  It's the only dangerous thing he does.

 

 

Lamar isnt Allen.

 

If Allen wants to be an all pro QB hes going to have to learn to throw inside the pocket.

 

 

 

 

[eball]

Just now, TheElectricCompany said:

 

A mobile QB isn't new, nor are Greg Roman's concepts. 

You're diminishing his accomplishments to date, as well as his opportunity to improve. 

Talent like Jackson doesn't come into the league often. Sit back and enjoy it. 

 

 

I'm sorry I had to call you out for not knowing the definition of the word novelty.  You're wrong, the offense that Baltimore has designed around Lamar is most certainly novel.

 

I haven't diminished Lamar's accomplishments one bit, I simply said we need to see how well this offense ages.

[Boatdrinks]

3 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

The article here says there is no real correlation between scrambling and injuries.  The real concern for injury is a takedown during a throw.   

 

My thought is just win anyway you can.   You drafted Allen because he has exceptional physical traits.    Let him use those traits while you build on to them.  Taking away the very traits you drafted him for doesnt make any sense.  

 

 

I agree with this line of thinking. Use his unique skill set to get wins. Way too much consternation out there about his running. Perhaps there is no real correlation with injuries and scrambling, but over time the hits add up. So what? Maybe that means a QB like Allen won’t play until he’s 40. Just win games however you can. I don’t think the Ravens are concerned that Jackson won’t be able to do what he’s doing now when he’s 33. The game is changing, so maybe we can dismiss some of the stringent notions of what a modern day QB has to be. 

[TheElectricCompany]

8 minutes ago, eball said:

 

I'm sorry I had to call you out for not knowing the definition of the word novelty.  You're wrong, the offense that Baltimore has designed around Lamar is most certainly novel.

 

I haven't diminished Lamar's accomplishments one bit, I simply said we need to see how well this offense ages.

 

Yawn. Let me guess, the league will "figure it out"? 

 

The media and fans love to overhype "revolutionary" offenses and concepts, when they are often minor tweaks. 

 

McCay runs the old Kubiak/Shanahan scheme with a few jet sweeps. Kingsbury's Air Raid isn't much different than the spread out, 4 WR sets we have seen in New England, and New Orleans for years. RPOs are all the new wave, but they rarely create chunk yardage due to the short time & space realities. Roman has created an ideal situation for Lamar, but that doesn't make it novel. 

Wake me up if somebody wants to build an offense around a modified A-11 or Army triple option. 

Edited November 20, 2019 by TheElectricCompany

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, mykidsdad said:

Kyle Brandt (GMFB) on the One Bills Drive interview says he believes that all of his three co hosts (Kay Adams, Nate Burleson, and Peter Schrager) have NOT watched a SINGLE snap of the Bills all year. For all of us who read and listen to the media make stale comments on the Bills and wonder what is going on, here's a little proof.

I don’t doubt this one bit. They’re obsessed with the Patriots every waking moment. 

[eball]

10 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said:

 

Yawn. Let me guess, the league will "figure it out"? 

 

The media and fans love to overhype "revolutionary" offenses and concepts, when they are often minor tweaks. 

 

McCay runs the old Kubiak/Shanahan scheme with a few jet sweeps. Kingsbury's Air Raid isn't much different than the spread out, 4 WR sets we have seen in New England, and New Orleans for years. RPOs are all the new wave, but they rarely create chunk yardage due to the short time & space realities. Roman has created an ideal situation for Lamar, but that doesn't make it novel. 

Wake me up if somebody wants to build an offense around a modified A-11 or Army triple option. 

 

So angry!  Dude, it's football.  Relax.  Your boy Lamar will get his chance to show this offense isn't a flash in the pan.

[Da webster guy]

3 hours ago, dneveu said:

 

Wilsons never missed a game - pretty crazy.

 

what really ?    unreal

[The Frankish Reich]

And if it comes down to “win this game or miss the playoffs” or even better an actual playoff game, run he will. Often and with abandon. And that’s smart. When the end of the season is imminent or when the pot of gold is right there in front of you, you take more chances. 

[Lv-Bills]

Quickly, off the top of my head.......guys who don't run much sitting their asses watching games this year.

 

Big Ben.  Brees.  Foles.  Brissett.  Flacco.  Keenum.  McCoy.  Stafford.  Newton.  

 

Now, lets list all the "running" QB's that are hurt......

 

Ummmmmmm.   Ummmmmmmmm.    Well, ummmmmm.

 

Let him friggin run.  John Harbaugh and staff embraced all of Lamar's skills.  Let Josh run when he see opportunity to do so.  He's our biggest offensive weapon and his running opens up the skills of the rest of our mediocre offensive players, making them better.

Edited November 20, 2019 by Lv-Bills

[RoboTronic]

6 hours ago, Mark80 said:

 

However, they are not going into those piles with a lot of momentum, so the actual force probably isn't as bad as getting hit in the open field by a LB.

Tell that to Mahomes.  Though, that was a bit if a freak accident his own lineman causing a dislocated kneecap.