Phil The Thrill Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) This might be a bit out there, but it is definitely topical. The reporting of the initial Tua injury today is that it’s the same hip injury that ended Bo Jackson’s NFL career. Up until now, I completely forgot that his injury happened the week before the AFC Championship game with the Bills. That Oakland Raiders team was very good and easily the 2nd best team in the AFC. The Bills did beat them earlier in the season but Bo was not playing yet and a few fluky things happened. If you remember Bo Jackson was on a freaking tear in 1989 and 1990 average over 5 yards per carry. Coupled with Marcus Allen and talents like Willie Gault and Tim Brown made a meh QB like Jay Schroeder look decent. What I’m wondering is - do you think that the game’s outcome is different if Bo Jackson was playing in that football game. Based on his performance weeks earlier, I feel he’s certainly someone the the defense would need to game plan around. It’s interesting to think about because if the Bills don’t win in 1991, do they ever reach another Super Bowl? It always seemed to me that the crushing way they lost at SB25 always motivated them to try to get back to the big game. In Edited November 17, 2019 by Phil The Thrill 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 I think it would have been dramatically different. Instead of 51-3, I’m thinking it’s easily 51-10 with Bo in there. ? 5 4 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToTasker Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 The offense was unstoppable that day. The game was over before half time. They only scored 51 because they didn’t have to score more. The Raiders probably get a higher score, but that day was a track meet they couldn’t compete in (even with Bo). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Speculation about whether Bo would play in that game dominated the coverage that week. The public literally did not know he was even out until gameday. Yes it would have made the game much more competitive but the Bills were still going to score a TD against that suspect Raiders D just about every time they touched the ball. Bo playing might have even helped toughen up the Bills run D in the long run because they hadn't had the ball run on them in about 2 months prior to that SB. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 I’m too young to know anything about this, but it’s hard to argue that one offensive player makes 48 point difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 I have always wondered how much it would have changed the game. As great as he was, I can't imagine it would have made the difference between a win and loss. Maybe it wouldn't have been 51-3 but I still say Bills win handily. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 17 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yes it would have made the game much more competitive but the Bills were still going to score a TD against that suspect Raiders D just about every time they touched the ball. What I remember is the Raiders defense needing to call a time out during the first series because they couldn't keep up with the Bills speed. I looked for the play by play to verify that, but couldn't find it. Instead I found this article with these quotes.... https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2014/12/20/bills-raiders-afc-championship-game/20694577/ Quote The Bills won the opening coin toss — no surprise on this day — and they proceeded to run their no-huddle offense to perfection. They had the Raiders gasping so badly for air that after Buffalo had advanced 55 yards in five lightning-quick plays, the Raiders called timeout to regroup and catch their collective breath. ... Said Kelly: "I remember (Raiders defensive lineman) Howie Long telling me on that drive, 'Come on, Jim, slow down.' " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 31 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: I think it would have been dramatically different. Instead of 51-3, I’m thinking it’s easily 51-10 with Bo in there. ? My immediate thought was the 1940 NFL championship game where the Bears beat Washington 73-0. On Washington's first possession a receivor dropped a pass in the endzone that would have been a touchdown. The Bears dominated the rest of the game. After the game a reporter asked Redskins quarterback Sammy Baugh if the game would have ended different had Malone had caught the pass. Baugh replied "Sure. We would have lost 73-7." 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) It was an incredible game to watch as a Bills fan. no way Bo changes the outcome. If you want to argue the game is closer because Bo plays, I’d welcome that. Maybe the Bills players would of focused a little more for the Super Bowl. Edited November 17, 2019 by atlbillsfan1975 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Like asking what if Jim Kelly couldn't play that game and there was a snowstorm at kickoff. It's the way it goes and a silly supposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Bo Don’t Know Snow! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 minute ago, RyanC883 said: Bo Don’t Know Snow! Our group had a sign that we brought in that said just that. Yeah we were also expecting more snow flurries than arrived. Turned out to be an almost wind-free and easy day for a football. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 There was a banner that someone put up that said "Bo Knows The Raiders Suck". I think security came over and made them take it down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Was Bo going to cover James Lofton? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 25 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: It was an incredible game to watch as a Bills fan. no way Bo changes the outcome. If you want to argue the game is closer because Bo plays, I’d welcome that. Maybe the Bill players would of focused a little more for the Super Bowl. Yeah the Bills weren't going to lose but after the Bills scored a TD the Raiders came right down the field and got inside the Bills 25 yard line and ended up kicking a FG. If Jackson was available they might have been able to score a few TD's. Jackson was rounding into the best form of his career and would have been fun to see on the big stage. But like I said the Bills were going to score every time they touched the ball and they might have just ended up winning 63-28 or something. A game more like the week before against Miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Nothing was going to derail the Bills O that day—how else do you explain this sequence of events—botched snap/fumble, helmet falling down on rollout, then TD to Lofton, just like Marchibroda drew it up lol... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Those were the days, we could scorer from anywhere on the field at any time. We havent been good on offense since the early 90, I can only feel sorry for those who were not around to know it. 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Was Bo a DB or something? Cause if he couldn’t play D, then his impact would have been non-existent that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Are we just going to act like they didn't have future HOFer Marcus Allen to pick up the slack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 51-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Man I remember being at that game with my pops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 7 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: This might be a bit out there, but it is definitely topical. The reporting of the initial Tua injury today is that it’s the same hip injury that ended Bo Jackson’s NFL career. .... Your post is a bit out there. Perhaps might have been better posted under @Thundersttike ? How many times did Raiders turn the ball over that day? 7 times... That’s what did them in. It wasn’t a lack of a running game. Also, Bo Jackson had osteonecrosis of the hip that necessitated hip replacement. I haven’t read anywhere that this happened to Tua. If it did, his football career would be over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 7 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Speculation about whether Bo would play in that game dominated the coverage that week. The public literally did not know he was even out until gameday. Yes it would have made the game much more competitive but the Bills were still going to score a TD against that suspect Raiders D just about every time they touched the ball. Bo playing might have even helped toughen up the Bills run D in the long run because they hadn't had the ball run on them in about 2 months prior to that SB. Good point - I never thought of that. Bo runs all over the defense and the Bills realize they have an issue on defense before Super Bowl XXV 6 hours ago, I am the egg man said: Like asking what if Jim Kelly couldn't play that game and there was a snowstorm at kickoff. It's the way it goes and a silly supposition. Yeah this is all hypothetical but it’s fun to imagine what could have happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, prissythecat said: .... Your post is a bit out there. Perhaps might have been better posted under @Thundersttike ? How many times did Raiders turn the ball over that day? 7 times... That’s what did them in. It wasn’t a lack of a running game. Also, Bo Jackson had osteonecrosis of the hip that necessitated hip replacement. I haven’t read anywhere that this happened to Tua. If it did, his football career would be over. What rock are you living under? There are all kinds of comparisons to Bo Jackson’s hip injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) First of all you are referring to the 1990 AFC Championship Game not 1991....the Bills played the Broncos in 1991 and won a low scoring close affair 10-7 in a game where Elway was knocked out and the Bills had one of the worst offensive performances of the K Gun era only putting up 213 total yards... Edited November 17, 2019 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 He'd have all the records if he stuck only to football and wasn't injured. Greatest talent I've ever seen at the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 20 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: What rock are you living under? There are all kinds of comparisons to Bo Jackson’s hip injury. Unlike you , I don’t believe everything I read. Show me an ortho doc who says that Tua has necrosis like Bo Jackson did .. right now , all of the analysis I have seen is superficial and speculation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 21 minutes ago, matter2003 said: First of all you are referring to the 1990 AFC Championship Game not 1991....the Bills played the Broncos in 1991 and won a low scoring close affair 10-7 in a game where Elway was knocked out and the Bills had one of the worst offensive performances of the K Gun era only putting up 213 total yards... No....you are incorrect. The game we are talking about took place on January 20, 1991. Hence it is the 1991 AFC Championship game. The Bills vs Denver AFC Championship game took place on January 12, 1992. While it is sometimes considered the “1990 season,” this game took place in 1991...not 1990 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: No....you are incorrect. The game we are talking about took place on January 20, 1991. Hence it is the 1991 AFC Championship game. The Bills vs Denver AFC Championship game took place on January 12, 1992. While it is sometimes considered the “1990 season,” this game took place in 1991...not 1990 It doesn't matter when the game was played, its still considered the previous year's season. But don't let facts get in the way of your campaign. You are the only person on the planet that considers this the 1991 AFC Championship Game. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/14637261/afc-championship-game-history Edited November 17, 2019 by matter2003 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 hour ago, prissythecat said: .... Your post is a bit out there. Perhaps might have been better posted under @Thundersttike ? How many times did Raiders turn the ball over that day? 7 times... That’s what did them in. It wasn’t a lack of a running game. Also, Bo Jackson had osteonecrosis of the hip that necessitated hip replacement. I haven’t read anywhere that this happened to Tua. If it did, his football career would be over. The damage he has leads to altered blood supply to the joint and then osteonecrosis. 1 hour ago, prissythecat said: Unlike you , I don’t believe everything I read. Show me an ortho doc who says that Tua has necrosis like Bo Jackson did .. right now , all of the analysis I have seen is superficial and speculation Necrosis takes time to develop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: The damage he has leads to altered blood supply to the joint and then osteonecrosis. Necrosis takes time to develop Fair enough . But I recall that back in Bo’s day they did not initially make a big deal of his injury . It was just another hip dislocation fracture until they found the complications from vessel damage . If Tua has the same vessel damage , then wouldn’t it be career ending? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 9 hours ago, whatdrought said: I’m too young to know anything about this, but it’s hard to argue that one offensive player makes 48 point difference. This is all you need to know, Junior. Bo was the greatest athlete I've ever seen. He threw out Harold Reynolds FROM THE WALL, WITHOUT A BOUNCE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) Bo was a special player. I remember when he was injured. I had no idea it was going to be career ending. Hate to see that sort of thing. That sure was one heck of a game if you are a Bills fan and I watched it numerous times over the years wish they could all end that way. Little did we know there was some snotty nose kid named Tom Brady was going to come by a decade later and kick our ass for years to come. Edited November 17, 2019 by ALLEN1QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 10 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: This might be a bit out there, but it is definitely topical. The reporting of the initial Tua injury today is that it’s the same hip injury that ended Bo Jackson’s NFL career. Up until now, I completely forgot that his injury happened the week before the AFC Championship game with the Bills. That Oakland Raiders team was very good and easily the 2nd best team in the AFC. The Bills did beat them earlier in the season but Bo was not playing yet and a few fluky things happened. If you remember Bo Jackson was on a freaking tear in 1989 and 1990 average over 5 yards per carry. Coupled with Marcus Allen and talents like Willie Gault and Tim Brown made a meh QB like Jay Schroeder look decent. What I’m wondering is - do you think that the game’s outcome is different if Bo Jackson was playing in that football game. Based on his performance weeks earlier, I feel he’s certainly someone the the defense would need to game plan around. It’s interesting to think about because if the Bills don’t win in 1991, do they ever reach another Super Bowl? It always seemed to me that the crushing way they lost at SB25 always motivated them to try to get back to the big game. In I think any time your D gives up 51 points, the lack of an RB is not the biggest problem you face. Maybe it might have cut down the Oak turnovers from 7 to 4 or something and gained them another 100 yds and a TD 7 minutes ago, prissythecat said: Fair enough . But I recall that back in Bo’s day they did not initially make a big deal of his injury . It was just another hip dislocation fracture until they found the complications from vessel damage . If Tua has the same vessel damage , then wouldn’t it be career ending? It might be, but I believe they have more sophisticated tools to assess vessel damage immediately and potentially repair it nowadays. Where's @Mr. WEO, this is his territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 hour ago, matter2003 said: First of all you are referring to the 1990 AFC Championship Game not 1991....the Bills played the Broncos in 1991 and won a low scoring close affair 10-7 in a game where Elway was knocked out and the Bills had one of the worst offensive performances of the K Gun era only putting up 213 total yards... 1 hour ago, Phil The Thrill said: No....you are incorrect. The game we are talking about took place on January 20, 1991. Hence it is the 1991 AFC Championship game. The Bills vs Denver AFC Championship game took place on January 12, 1992. While it is sometimes considered the “1990 season,” this game took place in 1991...not 1990 1 hour ago, matter2003 said: It doesn't matter when the game was played, its still considered the previous year's season. But don't let facts get in the way of your campaign. You are the only person on the planet that considers this the 1991 AFC Championship Game. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/14637261/afc-championship-game-history This is why they give the Super Bowl numbers. Everyone knew what the OP meant. Just because ESPN lists the season by the year it starts doesn't make them correct. I've seen other sources refer to it as the 1990-91 season and all other NFL seasons that have made it to January & February using both years, just like the NBA & NHL. Both of you are both right & wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 10 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: This might be a bit out there, but it is definitely topical. The reporting of the initial Tua injury today is that it’s the same hip injury that ended Bo Jackson’s NFL career. Up until now, I completely forgot that his injury happened the week before the AFC Championship game with the Bills. That Oakland Raiders team was very good and easily the 2nd best team in the AFC. The Bills did beat them earlier in the season but Bo was not playing yet and a few fluky things happened. If you remember Bo Jackson was on a freaking tear in 1989 and 1990 average over 5 yards per carry. Coupled with Marcus Allen and talents like Willie Gault and Tim Brown made a meh QB like Jay Schroeder look decent. What I’m wondering is - do you think that the game’s outcome is different if Bo Jackson was playing in that football game. Based on his performance weeks earlier, I feel he’s certainly someone the the defense would need to game plan around. It’s interesting to think about because if the Bills don’t win in 1991, do they ever reach another Super Bowl? It always seemed to me that the crushing way they lost at SB25 always motivated them to try to get back to the big game. In Uuuuuuuh... NO! I was there! The Bills won the opening coin toss — no surprise on this day — and they proceeded to run their no-huddle offense to perfection. They had the Raiders gasping so badly for air that after Buffalo had advanced 55 yards in five lightning-quick plays, the Raiders called timeout to regroup and catch their collective breath. "That was the greatest feeling that I've ever had in a game other than putting points on the board," center Kent Said Kelly: "I remember (Raiders defensive lineman) Howie Long telling me on that drive, 'Come on, Jim, slow down.' " Kelly never did. Four plays after the timeout, Kelly dropped a shotgun snap, but was still able to scoop it up, escape danger, and throw a 13-yard touchdown pass to James Lofton and you knew something was up. The rout was on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 31 minutes ago, prissythecat said: Fair enough . But I recall that back in Bo’s day they did not initially make a big deal of his injury . It was just another hip dislocation fracture until they found the complications from vessel damage . If Tua has the same vessel damage , then wouldn’t it be career ending? He was just hurt yesterday. Give them time to do testing and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 59 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think any time your D gives up 51 points, the lack of an RB is not the biggest problem you face. Maybe it might have cut down the Oak turnovers from 7 to 4 or something and gained them another 100 yds and a TD It might be, but I believe they have more sophisticated tools to assess vessel damage immediately and potentially repair it nowadays. Where's @Mr. WEO, this is his territory. I appreciate the call out! I’m not ortho but if Tua also suffered vascular injury and suffers avascular necrosis, he’s done. These are end vessels do I’m not sure how blow flow could be restored. He would need hip replacement if this was the case, most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 I’m sorry for the Bills having such an easy schedule this year. I’m also very sorry for Bo Jackson breaking his hip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts