Myles Garrett suspended indefinitely (minimum 2019 season), Pouncy 3 games, Ogunjobi 1 game

[RiotAct]

1 minute ago, frostbitmic said:

Has the league given the patriots a comp pick because of this ?

yes, but only a third-rounder due to no serious injuries sustained during the incident.

[Peter]

10 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said:

A little late to the conversation I see. Go back and read my previous posts about what I said about Garrett and the punishment he should receive.

 

I am not going to read 15 pages on this subject, but I dare say that, if Rudolph did exactly what he did, and Garrett did not swing his helmet, no one would be calling out for Rudolph to be suspended etc.

 

What Rudolph did was like a mosquito pestering you while you are trying to eat dinner.  What Garrett did was way over the line . . . especially doing it to a fellow NFLPA member who recently had a serious concussion.  With or without the prior concussion, Garrett could have ended Rudolph's career (or even killed him). 

 

I was not singling you out per se, I was just commenting on the fact that there is no comparison between what the two guys did, and no justification for what Garrett did.  Garrett also is freaking huge and powerful with or without the swinging helmet.                           

Edited November 15, 2019 by Peter

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

Has the league given the patriots a comp pick because of this ?

 

 

...TWO...troublemaker......

[Jerry Jabber]

Just now, Peter said:

 

I am not going to read 15 pages of on this subject, but I dare say that, if Rudolph did exactly what he did, and Garrett did not swing his helmet, no one would be calling out for Rudolph to be suspended etc.

 

What Rudolph did was like a mosquito pestering you while you are trying to eat dinner.  What Garrett did was way over the line . . . especially doing it to a fellow NFLPA member who recently had a serious concussion.  With or without the prior concussion, Garrett could have ended Rudolph's career (or even killed him). 

 

I was not singling you out per se, I was just commenting on the fact that there is no comparison between what the two guys did, and no justification for what Garrett did.  Garrett his freaking huge and powerful with or without the swinging helmet.                           

You’re also just jumping in and commenting on a very small part of a conversation and basing your judgment off of that, which is lazy and ignorant.

[Peter]

24 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said:

You’re also just jumping in and commenting on a very small part of a conversation and basing your judgment off of that, which is lazy and ignorant.

 

if you take great personal offense to my choosing not to read 15 pages of this, so be it.  Apologies. 

 

Nevertheless, I can guaranty that my not reading 15 pages of this BS is not because I am "lazy and ignorant."  It is because I am smart enough to realize that I do not need to waste my time on this.

Edited November 15, 2019 by Peter

[Jerry Jabber]

5 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

I am not going to read 15 pages on this subject, but I dare say that, if Rudolph did exactly what he did, and Garrett did not swing his helmet, no one would be calling out for Rudolph to be suspended etc.

 

What Rudolph did was like a mosquito pestering you while you are trying to eat dinner.  What Garrett did was way over the line . . . especially doing it to a fellow NFLPA member who recently had a serious concussion.  With or without the prior concussion, Garrett could have ended Rudolph's career (or even killed him). 

 

I was not singling you out per se, I was just commenting on the fact that there is no comparison between what the two guys did, and no justification for what Garrett did.  Garrett also is freaking huge and powerful with or without the swinging helmet.                           

Here's what I originally wrote on page 3 "Rudolph got butt hurt over the way Garrett took him to the ground, then had a hissy-fit and started attacking Garrett by yanking on his helmet numerous times, which led to Garrett getting up and doing the same thing back to him. Garrett had two Steelers players in his face with Rudolph continuing to charge at Garrett. I'm not a fan of either team, but after watching the scenario play out, Rudolph started the confrontation, wouldn't give it up, Garrett was getting ganged up on by two Steelers players, then did a very stupid, inexcusable act of nailing Rudolph in the head with Rudolph's helmet, by which he deserved the beating he got from Pouncey and Ogunjobi. Garrett deserves a lengthy suspension, big fine and should have criminal charges brought against him, but Rudolph shouldn't get away "Scott-free" either."

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

No, Gronk's was worse.  For starters, Tre' didn't do anything but trash talk, which happens all game long by everyone.  Second, Gronk assaulted Tre' when he was completely unaware/unable to defend himself (and with a weapon just like Garrett did).  Third, Tre' got a concussion whereas Rudolph was completely fine (and I can't even say he connected with Rudolph's head).

 

He connected with Rudolph's head clearly.  It wasn't a direct hit.  If it was, Rudolph would have been knocked out.  But it clearly hit him in the head if you watch the video perspective from behind Rudolph.

 

Rudolph didn't have a helmet on.  White did. That's the X factor here.

 

Garrett's was worse by far.  He had plenty of time to let go of or throw the helmet and just swing a fist at Rudolph.

 

He didn't.

 

Most repugnant thing to ever happen on a football field.

Edited November 15, 2019 by transplantbillsfan

[Nextmanup]

20 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said:

You’re also just jumping in and commenting on a very small part of a conversation and basing your judgment off of that, which is lazy and ignorant.

Jerry Jabber: "Blah blah blah."

 

Peter: "Jerry, you lazy, ignorant slut."

 

[Peter]

21 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said:

Here's what I originally wrote on page 3 "Rudolph got butt hurt over the way Garrett took him to the ground, then had a hissy-fit and started attacking Garrett by yanking on his helmet numerous times, which led to Garrett getting up and doing the same thing back to him. Garrett had two Steelers players in his face with Rudolph continuing to charge at Garrett. I'm not a fan of either team, but after watching the scenario play out, Rudolph started the confrontation, wouldn't give it up, Garrett was getting ganged up on by two Steelers players, then did a very stupid, inexcusable act of nailing Rudolph in the head with Rudolph's helmet, by which he deserved the beating he got from Pouncey and Ogunjobi. Garrett deserves a lengthy suspension, big fine and should have criminal charges brought against him, but Rudolph shouldn't get away "Scott-free" either."

 

I agree with some of what you say, but this again was like an annoying mosquito.  Garrett is a huge and powerful man.  There is no way he should have reacted like that.  I also don't think that having a "hissy-fit" (especially after what Rudolph went through) is grounds for much of anything.  I could live with a 15k fine or some other de minimis slap on the wrist (even though I don't think he deserves much of anything).

Edited November 15, 2019 by Peter

[Uncle Joe]

2 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

The hit was definitely late.  I do think it was also unnecessarily rough ... but I don't think it crossed the "dirty," line, per se.

 

Garrett lifted Rudolph off the ground by Rudolph's face mask.

 

I don't fault Rudolph for anything he did immediately after getting up. 

 

I can see the NFL fining him for staying in the fight longer than he should have/needed to.  But his initial reaction after "getting" up??  No way.

Agree with all this but with 8 seconds left in the game I would call it dirty. There is some unwritten conduct code in professional sports between players- see Greg Schiano's blitz on final kneel down.

But it was Steelers v Browns so maybe professional courtesy goes out the window.

[jaclynrea21]

wish they all got in a brutal fight, then both first team players where kicked for the season!!!

[Jerry Jabber]

3 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

I agree with some of what you say, but this again was like an annoying mosquito.  Garrett is a huge and powerful man.  There is no way he should have reacted like that.  I also don't think that having a "hissy-fit" (especially after what Rudolph went through) is grounds for much of anything.  I could live with a 15k fine or some other de minimis slap on the wrist (even though I don't think he deserves much of anything).

It’s not like Garrett slammed Rudolph hard to the turf. In the first picture I posted, you can clearly see Garrett took down Rudolph and had Rudolph’s weight on top of Garrett. Also from looking from that vantage point, I don’t think Garrett knew Rudolph hard thrown the ball. Rudolph snapped, went after Garrett when he tried to rip Garrett’s helmet off. It’s one thing to shove a player for a late hit, cuss him out and get in his face, but Rudolph took it to another level by trying to rip Garrett’s helmet off. Then continued to go after Garrett once Garrett turned the tide and ripped Rudolph’s helmet off. Once Rudolph got nailed in the head with the helmet, then he finally backed off and played the victim. He goes from aggressor to victim all in less than 30 seconds. Again, I’m not condoning what Garrett did as his punishment should be harsh. With the NFL being all about player safety, with no helmet to helmet hits, blows to the head and face, concussions etc..., Rudolph should get fined for his actions.

[Nextmanup]

3 hours ago, Virgil said:

Not sure if this link will work 

 

 

I think he instigated the ripping of his own helmet off and the fight with the nut kick.  Yes, tempers flared all day, but Rudolph in that moment punched a bear in the zoo.  
 

I agree with Garrett’s suspension.  I think Rudolph deserves a game or two as well

I agree about Rudolph!  I think he should have gotten something for sure.

 

BTW:  the video with the comedian did work and I enjoyed it.  That guy is funny!
 

[Nextmanup]

10 minutes ago, Uncle Joe said:

Agree with all this but with 8 seconds left in the game I would call it dirty. There is some unwritten conduct code in professional sports between players- see Greg Schiano's blitz on final kneel down.

But it was Steelers v Browns so maybe professional courtesy goes out the window.

Whether we label it "dirty" or not, that "something extra" Garrett put into the hit is precisely what set Rudolph off in the first place.

 

I don't have a dog in this fight!  I don't care AT ALL about either team or any player on either team! 

 

But let's get the record straight: Garrett did start the entire thing.  

 

I don't think that justifies Rudolph's behavior though.  And his antics definitely did not in turn justify Garrett going full nut job with the helmet whack.

 

The whole thing was a series of quick escalations with both parties having differing levels of liability in it.

 

 

[Pokebball]

6 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

So he didnt violate ANY Rules? lol

This doesn't say that, right?  It says what he did doesn't result in any suspension.

[TuelTime]

I'm surprised that more incidents like this aren't followed up by law enforcement. This and the elbow from Gronk were assaults that occurred with a weapon with very clear video evidence. If these guys assault women on video their careers are over, but they can hit each other with weapons on live TV and no criminal charges come of it? I also understand it is a violent game, but its not like being on the field and not in the stands should exempt players from being held accountable for assaulting someone. Penalties and fines are cool and all but at what point is this criminal? I know for a fact if I had done that to someone and it was on video I would be charged with assault and would likely do time.

[Doc]

2 hours ago, CLTbills said:

I think you're underestimating what adrenaline can do.

 

Still not injured.

 

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

He connected with Rudolph's head clearly.  It wasn't a direct hit.  If it was, Rudolph would have been knocked out.  But it clearly hit him in the head if you watch the video perspective from behind Rudolph.

 

Rudolph didn't have a helmet on.  White did. That's the X factor here.

 

Garrett's was worse by far.  He had plenty of time to let go of or throw the helmet and just swing a fist at Rudolph.

 

He didn't.

 

Most repugnant thing to ever happen on a football field.

 

I slowed-it-down and yes he hits him, but with just the opening in the helmet and not the dome (he's holding it by the facemask), making it far less injurious.  The injury to Tre' is what makes it worse purely on its own, helmet on or not. 

 

And again, the fact that Tre' was completely blameless, unaware, and defenseless, whereas Rudolph instigated it and went after Garrett after getting his helmet ripped-off makes his attack worse. 

Edited November 16, 2019 by Doc

[Wayne Arnold]

1 hour ago, frostbitmic said:

Meh ... Too much hype over very little.

 

Rudolph had a lousy game and took offense to getting knocked down again. Words were spoken and Rudolph tried to rip Garrett's helmet off. They got to their feet amid another player or two and Garrett rips Rudolph's helmet off and swings wildly one time and connects, one time

 

In the mean time, Pouncey throws 6 punches and one kick to the head on Garrett who was being held down.

 

Ogunjobe or whatever, needlessly knocks Rudolph to the ground.

 

Suspend Ogunjobe 1 game and the others 4 games each.

 

The Gronkowski elbow to the back of Tre White's head was far more disturbing and a much bigger assault. But hey, he's a patriot and a fan favorite.

 

Agreed. I can't believe the level of outrage over this. Gronk's body slam was way worse.

 

Besides - Rudolph seems like a real douche and deserving of having the soft part of his own helmet brought down on his head. Then to get blindsided in the end zone where he looked up and yelled "B word!" at the guy who did it lol

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, TuelTime said:

I'm surprised that more incidents like this aren't followed up by law enforcement. This and the elbow from Gronk were assaults that occurred with a weapon with very clear video evidence. If these guys assault women on video their careers are over, but they can hit each other with weapons on live TV and no criminal charges come of it? I also understand it is a violent game, but its not like being on the field and not in the stands should exempt players from being held accountable for assaulting someone. Penalties and fines are cool and all but at what point is this criminal? I know for a fact if I had done that to someone and it was on video I would be charged with assault and would likely do time.

 

No one would press charges unless he gets severely injured.

[row_33]

No, Rudolph wasn’t ten times more guilty than Garrett and Gronk combined...some of you troll way too sloppily on here.

 

[stevestojan]

6 minutes ago, TuelTime said:

I'm surprised that more incidents like this aren't followed up by law enforcement. This and the elbow from Gronk were assaults that occurred with a weapon with very clear video evidence. If these guys assault women on video their careers are over, but they can hit each other with weapons on live TV and no criminal charges come of it? I also understand it is a violent game, but its not like being on the field and not in the stands should exempt players from being held accountable for assaulting someone. Penalties and fines are cool and all but at what point is this criminal? I know for a fact if I had done that to someone and it was on video I would be charged with assault and would likely do time.

Careers are over? Let me introduce you to Kareem Hunt. 
 

That aside, If the incident that happened last night happened in the parking lot, that’s a felony. 

[TuelTime]

4 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

Careers are over? Let me introduce you to Kareem Hunt. 
 

That aside, If the incident that happened last night happened in the parking lot, that’s a felony. 

 

Yeah, its weird that they allow people on TV to get away with crimes when there is slam dunk evidence to convict. Its almost analogous to the porn industry. You can pay a woman to sleep with you as long as its on camera, otherwise its prostitution.. doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

[billsmob88]

Damarious Randall ejected for helmet hit on Diontae 

 

The whole Myles Garrett situation not just this game he’s been fined in two other games for dirty hits.

 

this defense is ran by Gregg Williams. 

 

coincidence???? 

[Bob in STL]

I would give Rudolf 1 game for his role. Pouncey gets 2.  Chickengumbo gets 3.  Garrett is out for one year - see you in week 10 of 2020.  

 

What I would like to see: 

None of these player get paid while out and the owners send their salaries to a foundation supporting victims of violence.  In addition the owners play the same amounts for their team penalty.  

[Nextmanup]

10 minutes ago, billsmob88 said:

Damarious Randall ejected for helmet hit on Diontae 

 

The whole Myles Garrett situation not just this game he’s been fined in two other games for dirty hits.

 

this defense is ran by Gregg Williams. 

 

coincidence???? 

Gregg Williams is with the Jets now.

 

[BigDingus]

Knew it. There was no way he was coming back this season

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, Peter said:

 

I am not going to read 15 pages on this subject, but I dare say that, if Rudolph did exactly what he did, and Garrett did not swing his helmet, no one would be calling out for Rudolph to be suspended etc.

 

What Rudolph did was like a mosquito pestering you while you are trying to eat dinner.  What Garrett did was way over the line . . . especially doing it to a fellow NFLPA member who recently had a serious concussion.  With or without the prior concussion, Garrett could have ended Rudolph's career (or even killed him). 

 

I was not singling you out per se, I was just commenting on the fact that there is no comparison between what the two guys did, and no justification for what Garrett did.  Garrett also is freaking huge and powerful with or without the swinging helmet.                           

 

What if you are in a state where you do not need to join a union is it okay to make a swing if he exercised his right not to be a member?

24 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

I would give Rudolf 1 game for his role. Pouncey gets 2.  Chickengumbo gets 3.  Garrett is out for one year - see you in week 10 of 2020.  

 

What I would like to see: 

None of these player get paid while out and the owners send their salaries to a foundation supporting victims of violence.  In addition the owners play the same amounts for their team penalty.  

 

If I was arbitrator of NFL I'd make sure he came back week 11 just so he could not get a qualifying year next year.  Some players hold out most of year and qualify for a year without doing bodily harm in last few seconds of a game!

37 minutes ago, billsmob88 said:

Damarious Randall ejected for helmet hit on Diontae 

 

The whole Myles Garrett situation not just this game he’s been fined in two other games for dirty hits.

 

this defense is ran by Gregg Williams. 

 

coincidence???? 

 

Really run by Gregg Williams?  How does owner, GM and head coach of JEST think of him working this job on the side.  Which side of field does he stand on when JESTS play BROWNIES?

[transplantbillsfan]

59 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Still not injured.

 

 

I slowed-it-down and yes he hits him, but with just the opening in the helmet and not the dome (he's holding it by the facemask), making it far less injurious.  The injury to Tre' is what makes it worse purely on its own, helmet on or not. 

 

And again, the fact that Tre' was completely blameless, unaware, and defenseless, whereas Rudolph instigated it and went after Garrett after getting his helmet ripped-off makes his attack worse. 

 

Strongly disagree, as I think most would, but we'll just have to agree to disagree I guess.

 

And I'm very much a Bills homer.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, TuelTime said:

I'm surprised that more incidents like this aren't followed up by law enforcement. This and the elbow from Gronk were assaults that occurred with a weapon with very clear video evidence. If these guys assault women on video their careers are over, but they can hit each other with weapons on live TV and no criminal charges come of it? I also understand it is a violent game, but its not like being on the field and not in the stands should exempt players from being held accountable for assaulting someone. Penalties and fines are cool and all but at what point is this criminal? I know for a fact if I had done that to someone and it was on video I would be charged with assault and would likely do time.

 

Someone typically has to indicate to the police that they want to file charges to start the process.  In some states, there's a process the citizen can follow if the police/prosecutors don't pursue charges but I don't know of any state where law enforcement will pursue charges without the cooperation of the victim (some limited exceptions in DV cases)

[Camisado]

Yeah no from watching this video again, considering Garrett wouldn't get off of Rudolph, I don't think Rudolph should face any consequences. He reacted naturally to someone holding you down. It appears Garrett was clearly trying to instigate.

https://youtu.be/_PMHlURlxus

[Doc]

19 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Strongly disagree, as I think most would, but we'll just have to agree to disagree I guess.

 

And I'm very much a Bills homer.

 

I disagree that most would agree with you.  So yes we'll agree to disagree.

[Rocky Landing]

Not sure how well this is going to fly, but I'm just going to leave this out here:

https://sports.theonion.com/nfl-rescinds-myles-garrett-suspension-after-review-foot-1839896771

Edited November 16, 2019 by Rocky Landing

[thebug]

8 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Did he or Did he NOT claw and try to rip his helmet off?

So you are pissed about him not getting a 15 yard penalty???? 

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

Garrett should never be allowed to play football again imo, if he had hit him with the other part of the helmet we could of seen a man dead on the field. 

[Hebert19]

Honestly the helmet swing isn't the scariest part if that incident.   The way he ripped the helmet off could have been bad.   That's one strong dude and he could have snapped his neck...that was a violent tug at the helmet. 

[Rob's House]

I'm on the same page with Shannon Sharp.

 

 

[Another Fan]

Be honest, how would this board react if someone on the Bills did that to Brady.  There's a good chance he would become a legend around here 

[NoSaint]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

yes he will be a member 

 

no charges

 

yes suspended 

 

Myles starts first 

 

Pouncey appeals 

 

no arrest 

[Cripple Creek]

8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

back for Bills game of course 

Maybe he asks for a hearing?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 minutes ago, Another Fan said:

Be honest, how would this board react if someone on the Bills did that to Brady.  There's a good chance he would become a legend around here 

 

Ah, No.  I mean, if Brady were injured in the course of a football move, Hero for sure.

 

Garrett hurt his own team by getting his ass suspended indefinitely for no good reason at all.  That ain't a legend, here or anywhere, that's just a Maroon.