Myles Garrett suspended indefinitely (minimum 2019 season), Pouncy 3 games, Ogunjobi 1 game

[4merper4mer]

3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Why was Garrett (the best defensive player on your team) in the game up 14 with seconds remaining?  Comeon Kitchens.  

Along the same line, why did the Steelers bother calling a play down 14, 80 yards away with 14 seconds left?

[JoPar_v2]

14 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Along the same line, why did the Steelers bother calling a play down 14, 80 yards away with 14 seconds left?

Very good question. Tomlin is a unique bird he really gives no Fs. Not sure if its a good or bad thing at this point. He does have a ring so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ but i feel ya they shoulda just knelt and called it a day

[Utah John]

The Raiders haven't been playing like Al Davis's Raiders.  Maybe their vicious spirit is re-emerging in Cleveland. 

 

There's never been any place for it in the NFL. It's fast and hard and dangerous enough.

[N.Y. Orangeman]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001077016/article/mason-rudolph-will-be-fined-for-role-in-tnf-brawl

 

Fine said to be coming.  Deserved IMO.

Agree but believe he deserved a game as well.  

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

 

...and the NFL's "model citizen" weighs in....yup "Mr Clean" himself....SMH......

 

Raiders' Vontaze Burfict Rips 'Total B---h' Roger Goodell for 12-Game Suspension

Adam Wells

November 15, 2019

Oakland Raiders linebacker Vontaze Burfict went all-in with comments about NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell.

 

Speaking to The Athletic's Vic Tafur, Burfict said Goodell was a "total b---h" during a meeting in New York when he appealed his 12-game suspension for a helmet-to-helmet hit on Indianapolis Colts tight end Jack Doyle.

 

"He was a b---h," Burfict said. "He didn't let anybody speak; he rushed us in and out of the meeting. The meeting was bulls--t. He already had the suspension in his hand."

 

Tafur wrote that Burfict showed "video of clean plays that he had made, plus dirty plays against him that weren't called and that he didn't retaliate to."

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2862962-raiders-vontaze-burfict-rips-total-b-h-roger-goodell-for-12-game-suspension

 

 

[JoPar_v2]

3 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...and the NFL's "model citizen" weighs in....yup "Mr Clean" himself....SMH......

 

Raiders' Vontaze Burfict Rips 'Total B---h' Roger Goodell for 12-Game Suspension

Adam Wells

November 15, 2019

Oakland Raiders linebacker Vontaze Burfict went all-in with comments about NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell.

 

Speaking to The Athletic's Vic Tafur, Burfict said Goodell was a "total b---h" during a meeting in New York when he appealed his 12-game suspension for a helmet-to-helmet hit on Indianapolis Colts tight end Jack Doyle.

 

"He was a b---h," Burfict said. "He didn't let anybody speak; he rushed us in and out of the meeting. The meeting was bulls--t. He already had the suspension in his hand."

 

Tafur wrote that Burfict showed "video of clean plays that he had made, plus dirty plays against him that weren't called and that he didn't retaliate to."

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2862962-raiders-vontaze-burfict-rips-total-b-h-roger-goodell-for-12-game-suspension

 

 

 

i mean, do you expect anything else from burfict? I can plainly see this criminal ass rolling in for a meeting with that idiot commissioner and it going badly.

Edited November 16, 2019 by JoPar_v2

[K-9]

9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

?

 

Someone in the Shoutbox suggested it should come with a matching set of cleats signed by the Pittsburgh OL

It would be better if Garrett autographed Rudolph’s helmet instead. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

i mean, do you expect anything else from burfict? I can plainly see this criminal ass rolling in for a meeting with that idiot commissioner and it going badly.

 

...if you're serving a 12 game suspension, after multiple suspensions and fines, firmly planted in the Commish's cross hairs, shouldn't you keep your mouth shut?....but as Ron White said, "you can't fix stupid"...SMH....

[JoPar_v2]

8 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...if you're serving a 12 game suspension, after multiple suspensions and fines, firmly planted in the Commish's cross hairs, shouldn't you keep your mouth shut?....but as Ron White said, "you can't fix stupid"...SMH....

he definitely should keep his mouth shut. Doesn’t excuse any of the BS that’s been spewed in this thread. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

the browns were out to put a hurt on the steelers and they succeeded, taking out how many players before the end of the game incident? somehow I feel that kitchens has carried over the "bounty" mentality that scumbag greg williams left there?

 

looking back, the bills were lucky to get out of there pretty much unscathed. 

[HOUSE]

Thank you  Myles Garrett  for helping your team do what they always do,  creative ways  to blow another season

 

 

 

.

Edited November 16, 2019 by HOUSE

[cle23]

54 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

the browns were out to put a hurt on the steelers and they succeeded, taking out how many players before the end of the game incident? somehow I feel that kitchens has carried over the "bounty" mentality that scumbag greg williams left there?

 

looking back, the bills were lucky to get out of there pretty much unscathed. 

 

This is a load of crap. There haven't been any issues any other game. Just a string of plays. The JuJu one especially. Just sandwiched him but no one went at his head.

[4merper4mer]

10 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

This is a load of crap. There haven't been any issues any other game. Just a string of plays. The JuJu one especially. Just sandwiched him but no one went at his head.

I mostly agree but Trevor Siemian mostly doesn't.

[row_33]

Good riddance to him, the suspension  was made to punish and to keep him off the field for his own sake, he’s a marked man now

 

 

[Saint Doug]

42 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

This is a load of crap. There haven't been any issues any other game. Just a string of plays. The JuJu one especially. Just sandwiched him but no one went at his head.

To me, it looks like, not 1, but 2 players leading with their heads. Must’ve been something Greggo taught them. 
 

https://mobile.twitter.com/jimmyclarke/status/1195167190816841728

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

the browns were out to put a hurt on the steelers and they succeeded, taking out how many players before the end of the game incident? somehow I feel that kitchens has carried over the "bounty" mentality that scumbag greg williams left there?

 

looking back, the bills were lucky to get out of there pretty much unscathed. 

I was thinking the same thing. They are such a Dirty team.

[row_33]

31 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I was thinking the same thing. They are such a Dirty team.

the Browns/Steelers rivalry is an ugly and vicious one. I attended games in both cities and it wasn’t fun with the level of malevolence pervading....

 

[frostbitmic]

6 minutes ago, row_33 said:

the Browns/Steelers rivalry is an ugly and vicious one. I attended games in both cities and it wasn’t fun with the level of malevolence pervading....

 

Same with the Steelers/Ravens.

[row_33]

1 minute ago, frostbitmic said:

Same with the Steelers/Ravens.

and Bengals games aren’t a picnic either

 

something bout the Steelers....

 

 

The Cleveland thing is that every other game I saw there was a totally jaded crowd and nobody cared. The diff when Pittsburgh rolled in was a million-fold

 

 

[cle23]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

I mostly agree but Trevor Siemian mostly doesn't.

 

The hit on Siemian happens every single game it just so happened that Siemian got his foot caught underneath of him as he fell.

[RaoulDuke79]

2 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

the browns were out to put a hurt on the steelers and they succeeded, taking out how many players before the end of the game incident? somehow I feel that kitchens has carried over the "bounty" mentality that scumbag greg williams left there?

 

looking back, the bills were lucky to get out of there pretty much unscathed. 

I used to think Kitchens as kind of the loveable bumbling idiot type,  but now I think he's just an #######. 

[Rob's House]

3 hours ago, N.Y. Orangeman said:

Agree but believe he deserved a game as well.  

 

Do you have any rational basis for this opinion, or is it just a purely subjective feeling?

 

I've asked on a few different platforms if anyone can provide an example of anyone EVER being suspended for anything similar to what Rudolph did. So far no one can come up with anything.

[row_33]

30 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I used to think Kitchens as kind of the loveable bumbling idiot type,  but now I think he's just an #######. 

mouthing off like to at the presser was a foolish thing to do

9 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

Do you have any rational basis for this opinion, or is it just a purely subjective feeling?

 

I've asked on a few different platforms if anyone can provide an example of anyone EVER being suspended for anything similar to what Rudolph did. So far no one can come up with anything.

you are getting a free and easy list of people who have extremely poor judgment, and it really didn’t matter in the big picture 

 

don’t forget this when you need solid advice personally....

 

[4merper4mer]

42 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

The hit on Siemian happens every single game it just so happened that Siemian got his foot caught underneath of him as he fell.

Gere were two hits on Siemian,. In the first quarter p.

[eball]

2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Gere were two hits on Siemian,. In the first quarter p.

 

Richard?

[Doc]

Just now, Rob's House said:

Do you have any rational basis for this opinion, or is it just a purely subjective feeling?

 

I've asked on a few different platforms if anyone can provide an example of anyone EVER being suspended for anything similar to what Rudolph did. So far no one can come up with anything.

 

You could argue that he was responsible for the incident when he tried ripping Garrett's helmet off and then escalated it by going after him. 

 

I can't recall any first-time offender getting suspended for half a season/indefinitely for swinging a helmet at someone.  And the part of the helmet that hit him was the base gasket, i.e. the padded portion around the helmet opening.

[MDH]

46 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

The hit on Siemian happens every single game it just so happened that Siemian got his foot caught underneath of him as he fell.

I guess if you’re a Cleveland fan and only watch Cleveland games I can understand why you believe that happens every single game.

 

It was an increasingly late, dirty, hit. But that’s the norm for Garrett.

Edited November 16, 2019 by MDH

[Rob's House]

Just now, Doc said:

 

You could argue that he was responsible for the incident when he tried ripping Garrett's helmet off and then escalated it by going after him. 

 

I can't recall any first-time offender getting suspended for half a season/indefinitely for swinging a helmet at someone.  And the part of the helmet that hit him was the base gasket, i.e. the padded portion around the helmet opening.

 

So you have no example of anyone ever being suspended for anything similar to what Rudolph did.

 

There are examples of people being suspended multiple games for actions similar to those of Garrett, but not for 6 games (but 5 for Haynesworth a decade ago).

 

Do I have that right?

[Punching Bag]

15 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

Garrett should never be allowed to play football again imo, if he had hit him with the other part of the helmet we could of seen a man dead on the field. 

And NFPLA would continue to defend him.

[SirAndrew]

2 hours ago, Saint Doug said:

To me, it looks like, not 1, but 2 players leading with their heads. Must’ve been something Greggo taught them. 
 

https://mobile.twitter.com/jimmyclarke/status/1195167190816841728

I often wonder when Greggo became that way. His Buffalo Bills teams never seemed to play very dirty. I’ve always found that interesting. 

[cle23]

33 minutes ago, MDH said:

I guess if you’re a Cleveland fan and only watch Cleveland games I can understand why you believe that happens every single game.

 

It was an increasingly late, dirty, hit. But that’s the norm for Garrett.

 

He got flagged for landing on top of him, not for a late hit. 

[NoSaint]

41 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

You could argue that he was responsible for the incident when he tried ripping Garrett's helmet off and then escalated it by going after him. 

 

I can't recall any first-time offender getting suspended for half a season/indefinitely for swinging a helmet at someone.  And the part of the helmet that hit him was the base gasket, i.e. the padded portion around the helmet opening.

he’s led the league in roughing penalties, publicly said he isn’t changing, and even bragged about choking an LSU lineman in college.

 

the dudes got himself a track record 

39 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

So you have no example of anyone ever being suspended for anything similar to what Rudolph did.

 

There are examples of people being suspended multiple games for actions similar to those of Garrett, but not for 6 games (but 5 for Haynesworth a decade ago).

 

Do I have that right?

If you get doc to concede a point you may be the first 

[RaoulDuke79]

56 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

You could argue that he was responsible for the incident when he tried ripping Garrett's helmet off and then escalated it by going after him. 

 

I can't recall any first-time offender getting suspended for half a season/indefinitely for swinging a helmet at someone.  And the part of the helmet that hit him was the base gasket, i.e. the padded portion around the helmet opening.

Why does this matter in any way shape or form? I'm sure in Garrett's fit of rage, he figured he'd cut Rudolph a break and only hit him with the gasket portion of the helmet. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I was thinking the same thing. They are such a Dirty team.

Todd Haley: Myles Garrett’s behavior falls on Freddie Kitchens

 

“This to me, this comes back to coaching,” Haley said. “This falls squarely right on the head coach. Because the head coach talks to every assistant coach, who then talk to their group of players. And there’s an old saying in coaching: ‘You’re either coaching it or you’re allowing it to happen.’”

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Rob's House said:

 

So you have no example of anyone ever being suspended for anything similar to what Rudolph did.

 

There are examples of people being suspended multiple games for actions similar to those of Garrett, but not for 6 games (but 5 for Haynesworth a decade ago).

 

Do I have that right?

Yes, the extent of Garrett’s suspension, again and especially for a first time violator, makes this unprecedented.  Hence the argument for suspending Rudolph, who was the reason this incident happened in first place, both in its inception and escalation.

[Rocky Landing]

7 minutes ago, Doc said:

Yes, the extent of Garrett’s suspension, again and especially for a first time violator, makes this unprecedented.  Hence the argument for suspending Rudolph, who was the reason this incident happened in first place, both in its inception and escalation.

You don't think that Garrett dragging Rudolf to the ground, even though he didn't have the ball, and keeping him wrapped up on the ground was the inception of this incident?

[Doc]

23 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Why does this matter in any way shape or form? I'm sure in Garrett's fit of rage, he figured he'd cut Rudolph a break and only hit him with the gasket portion of the helmet. 

As I mentioned earlier, what happened to Tre’ was worse because he got injured and yet Gronk only got one game.  Rudolph wasn’t injured because of what part of the helmet hit him.  Both were Despicable acts but the fact that one player got injured and the other didn’t makes the penalty wholly  incongruous.

5 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

You don't think that Garrett dragging Rudolf to the ground, even though he didn't have the ball, and keeping him wrapped up on the ground was the inception of this incident?

i’ve seen that play happen hundreds of times without the opposing player/QB trying to rip off the other players helmet, much less go after them after it’s been ripped off.

[yungmack]

On 11/15/2019 at 8:55 AM, MAJBobby said:

 

Very Predictable that the QB that also was involved gets NOTHING.  

So you're at a party, a guy shoves you around, you shove back, he picks up a bat and starts beating you, gets arrested, and some bystander wonders why you you weren't arrested too. What sort of world have we become?

[Rob's House]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

Yes, the extent of Garrett’s suspension, again and especially for a first time violator, makes this unprecedented.  Hence the argument for suspending Rudolph, who was the reason this incident happened in first place, both in its inception and escalation.

 

The argument that Rudolph started the whole thing is pretty weak in itself, but even if we take that as a given the rest of your argument still makes no sense.

 

You're arguing that because Garrett's penalty is slightly harsher in length, although identical in nature, to previous penalties for similar behavior, Rudolph should face a penalty of a nature never before imposed for such behavior because ???.

 

Saying the penalty for one particular behavior is "unprecedented" does not necessitate imposing an "unprecedented" penalty for completely different behavior.

 

To even get to that point you're saying that even though nothing Rudolph did is suspension worthy in itself, the fact that Garrett responded to it the way he did renders it suspension worthy. That's also nonsensical.

 

If I've somehow misrepresented your position please explain exactly what principle it is you're espousing.

 

 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

1 minute ago, yungmack said:

So you're at a party, a guy shoves you around, you shove back, he picks up a bat and starts beating you, gets arrested, and some bystander wonders why you you weren't arrested too. What sort of world have we become?

I brought up a very similar example, it will get you no where. Plain and simple Garrett took Mason down late, Mason didn't like it and tried to rip his helmet off, Garrett then picked him up off the ground by his facemask, and then twisted it off. Why would people think Mason wouldn't go back at him? There's not a soul on earth that could've predicted what came next. It really reminded me of the fight with Jim Kelly and Marty Lyons. I liked to seeing the fight in Jim back then and I liked seeing the fight Mason showed Thursday night.