Bills @ Kap workout???

[whatdrought]

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

That's so bizarre.  What player seeking a serious chance to get back in the league would want to play in front of 6 instead of 24 scouts?

 

 

Someone who had his private workout already set up and ready to go? Someone who allegedly had the offensive waiver in his possession since Wednesday and issued no complaint until this afternoon. Someone who makes 50 million $ being a former football player who fuels a victim mentality that has people crawling all over themselves to celebrate his success in a workout that he scheduled, he staffed, and he ran- i.e. a workout that he could have done anytime in the past 3 years. (As I think he has done similar things)

 

Bottom line, someone who is disingenuous and used the NFL bowing to pressure from Jay-Z who in turn was bowing to pressure from CK’s crowd, as an opportunity to attempt to make the NFL look bad. In some ways I’m sure he’s succeeded, but my suspicion is that people who don’t have a political stake in this, who don’t care about his history and care instead about football, have seen this as another step in the “Colin gets his 15” and see it as an indicator that he isn’t serious about dedicating himself to his craft. 

 

Thats my take on it at least.

 

As for CK, I was hoping he’d get a shot. He may still. I was anti-kneeling cause it was stupid and I find his views and motives ridiculous. I didn’t find kneeling during the national anthem disrespectful or horrific, and I found the way our Commander in Chief responded to it to be ridiculous. I did hate the argument that it was his first amendment right to kneel no matter what his employers said, because that’s idiotic and anyone whose had a job knows as much.... all that being said- I was hoping he’d get a shot cause either the NFL would get an exciting player, or the truth about CK’s inability as a QB would be revealed. Either way it’s a win for me as a football fan. Today however has, in my opinion, proven what I’ve always suspected... CK is more than happy being the most famous former football player. He’s happy with his fat sponsorships and his meta-narrative of oppression. The acts that have been presented today do not appear to be those of a man wanting to practice the professional act of football playing, but rather the professional act of acting. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

If (and I’ll keep stressing if) Florio is right and the nfl asked him to sign a waiver that would release the nfl from future claims of collusion against him - and he believed this was a sham... then it’s real easy to walk away from a bunch of random scouts. 
 

on some level, let’s be real and if these teams had a lick of genuine interest they could’ve seen him any of the last 1,000 or so days unless he’s secretly turning down workouts 

 

OK, I'll accept that....if he's asked to sign legal documents that were not agreed to and approved by him/his advisors in advance, then yes, that would supercede having more scouts

 

And on that note, this seems like a good place to add this:

https://sports.theonion.com/colin-kaepernick-s-agents-assure-teams-his-cte-has-prog-1839895933

[stevestojan]

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

 

Someone who had his private workout already set up and ready to go? Someone who allegedly had the offensive waiver in his possession since Wednesday and issued no complaint until this afternoon. Someone who makes 50 million $ being a former football player who fuels a victim mentality that has people crawling all over themselves to celebrate his success in a workout that he scheduled, he staffed, and he ran- i.e. a workout that he could have done anytime in the past 3 years. (As I think he has done similar things)

 

Bottom line, someone who is disingenuous and used the NFL bowing to pressure from Jay-Z who in turn was bowing to pressure from CK’s crowd, as an opportunity to attempt to make the NFL look bad. In some ways I’m sure he’s succeeded, but my suspicion is that people who don’t have a political stake in this, who don’t care about his history and care instead about football, have seen this as another step in the “Colin gets his 15” and see it as an indicator that he isn’t serious about dedicating himself to his craft. 

 

Thats my take on it at least.

 

As for CK, I was hoping he’d get a shot. He may still. I was anti-kneeling cause it was stupid and I find his views and motives ridiculous. I didn’t find kneeling during the national anthem disrespectful or horrific, and I found the way our Commander in Chief responded to it to be ridiculous. I did hate the argument that it was his first amendment right to kneel no matter what his employers said, because that’s idiotic and anyone whose had a job knows as much.... all that being said- I was hoping he’d get a shot cause either the NFL would get an exciting player, or the truth about CK’s inability as a QB would be revealed. Either way it’s a win for me as a football fan. Today however has, in my opinion, proven what I’ve always suspected... CK is more than happy being the most famous former football player. He’s happy with his fat sponsorships and his meta-narrative of oppression. The acts that have been presented today do not appear to be those of a man wanting to practice the professional act of football playing, but rather the professional act of acting. 

 

TL;DR? 

[whatdrought]

10 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

If (and I’ll keep stressing if) Florio is right and the nfl asked him to sign a waiver that would release the nfl from future claims of collusion against him - and he believed this was a sham... then it’s real easy to walk away from a bunch of random scouts. 
 

on some level, let’s be real and if these teams had a lick of genuine interest they could’ve seen him any of the last 1,000 or so days unless he’s secretly turning down workouts 

 

The problem is that a standard waiver (what the NFL says was given to him) would in fact include something regarding there not being a guarantee of employment... now, it it went beyond that is yet to be seen. 

 

As for the other side, it seems like I read somewhere that teams have had an interest in working him out, but didn’t want to run the PR risk of bringing him in and then not signing him. Supposedly this was supposed to provide platform without creating a microscope. Who knows if that’s accurate or not. 

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, stevestojan said:

 

TL;DR? 

 

*old man yells at sky.

Edited November 17, 2019 by whatdrought

[NoSaint]

2 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

The problem is that a standard waiver (what the NFL says was given to him) would in fact include something regarding there not being a guarantee of employment... now, it it went beyond that is yet to be seen. 

 

As for the other side, it seems like I read somewhere that teams have had an interest in working him out, but didn’t want to run the PR risk of bringing him in and then not signing him. Supposedly this was supposed to provide platform without creating a microscope. Who knows if that’s accurate or not. 

 

 

 

 

 

*old man yells at sky.

no doubt possible- Though I think it’s easy to have a quiet workout with a random scout still. 
 

 

honestly, as we seem to have a relatively anti-CK lean at TBD I tend to find myself defending him a bit more here than I do in my day to day chatter on the subject. I like to have both sides show up in the thread though so I’m skewing a little towards telling his narrative 

[IDBillzFan]

6 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

And that is the sad part. I have an idea why this started to happen but it’s so pathetic.  What I loved about football is it takes so many guys from different backgrounds to play.  What is great about a lockeroom is guys like CK and Bosa, who have much different views on things, would become brothers.  

 

What I'm about to write is not meant to be disrespectful. It's meant to be honest. 

 

Football has a purpose in my life. It's my breather. For a handful of Sundays for a handful of months, I get to watch a sport I've loved since I first learned who Gary Marangi was.

 

When the games are on, if I'm not with Bills fans, I don't want anyone bugging me. I actually purchased my last two houses because I could do the two things I love to do at the same time; cook and watch football. I love prime time games, and Thursday and Sunday and Monday nights in my kitchen during the football season are some of my favorite times. Family's around. We're snacking and eating and drinking and cooking and having a great time. A genuinely great time.

 

And the very LAST thing I want infiltrating this time is a divisive subject. I don't need any of the drama beyond what is happening in the game, between the two teams, who's playing well and who's not, and maybe what role the game plays in my football pick 'em pool. I especially don't give a schittstainratsasshair if people with different effin' views can be effin' brothers in some moronic kumbaya moment. 

 

I don't give one !@#$ what that reason is....Kaep and his media sycophants and the pissants who disagree with them are !@#$ up my breather, and I'd appreciate it if you'd all take this childish schitt to a place I don't need to hear it....anywhere but before, during, and after the broadcast of a football game.

Edited November 17, 2019 by IDBillzFan

[whatdrought]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

no doubt possible- Though I think it’s easy to have a quiet workout with a random scout still. 
 

 

honestly, as we seem to have a relatively anti-CK lean at TBD I tend to find myself defending him a bit more here than I do in my day to day chatter on the subject. I like to have both sides show up in the thread though so I’m skewing a little towards telling his narrative 

 

No doubt. Just goes back to juice being worth the squeeze. It’s a big PR thing largely because of CK and because of The Donald. I could realistically see some teams getting stuck in the middle... I mean, I think Mike Tomlin would likely be one of the more liberal coaches in the league from what I understand, and he’s been trotting out a steaming pile of poo whose greatest accomplishment was almost getting murdered on national tv... if CK was worth the drama, I’d think they’d have gone for it. 

 

 

I hear ya. I have no problem with your take on it. It’s hard for me to imagine the NFL directly lying about something so easy to disprove as the waiver, but we’ll see if anything comes out of this.

 

 

[Doc Brown]

24 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

Someone who had his private workout already set up and ready to go? Someone who allegedly had the offensive waiver in his possession since Wednesday and issued no complaint until this afternoon. Someone who makes 50 million $ being a former football player who fuels a victim mentality that has people crawling all over themselves to celebrate his success in a workout that he scheduled, he staffed, and he ran- i.e. a workout that he could have done anytime in the past 3 years. (As I think he has done similar things)

He doesn't want to play and is enjoying his martyr like status with a portion of the population.  This is just further evidence.

[whatdrought]

Just now, Doc Brown said:

He doesn't want to play and is enjoying his martyr like status with a portion of the population.  This is just further evidence.

 

That’s my take on it. 

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said:

Kaepernick is better than guys starting now?

 

Interesting.

Yup.

[Moulds 808080]

He is not worth the headache he is a number 2 qb  at best.

 

[DRA3196]

If you truly want to be heard in life sometimes in certain situations you have to compromise. Kaepernick had agreed to the terms pertaining to this workout initially but instead wanted to create a spectacle and a show. Trying to restructure the narrative at the last minute is his right, and ultimately will be his downfall. He had his opportunity and did not take advantage of it. I hope that this scenario will once and for all put to rest the drama surrounding Colin Kaepernick and his career as a player in the NFL. If you have talent you will have opportunity. What you do with that opportunity is an individual's decision.

[Lfod]

I'll give Kap some credit for milking the situation until the last drop. Extended that 15 mins of fame way past the expiration date.

 

I never cared about the situation beyond it's meme status. I want to live in Kaps world. I want to go shopping or eat at a restaurant where all the employees have legalize marijuana shirts or carrying pro/anti abortion signs. I don't care what the cause is just make it happen. In fact half the employees can be for and the other half against and I could witnessed people fighting every day. 

 

 

Edited November 17, 2019 by Lfod

[OZBILLS]

19 minutes ago, Lfod said:

I want to live in Kaps world. I want to go shopping or eat

 

Well definitely lots of eating in this world

 

[US Egg]

4 hours ago, OZBILLS said:

Is he overweight?

 

He looks significantly heavier than the private workouts he was pumping up last year

Did he lift weights or donuts ?

 

He looks so out of shape.

Edited November 17, 2019 by I am the egg man

[JoPar_v2]

2 hours ago, whatdrought said:

 

Someone who had his private workout already set up and ready to go? Someone who allegedly had the offensive waiver in his possession since Wednesday and issued no complaint until this afternoon. Someone who makes 50 million $ being a former football player who fuels a victim mentality that has people crawling all over themselves to celebrate his success in a workout that he scheduled, he staffed, and he ran- i.e. a workout that he could have done anytime in the past 3 years. (As I think he has done similar things)

 

Bottom line, someone who is disingenuous and used the NFL bowing to pressure from Jay-Z who in turn was bowing to pressure from CK’s crowd, as an opportunity to attempt to make the NFL look bad. In some ways I’m sure he’s succeeded, but my suspicion is that people who don’t have a political stake in this, who don’t care about his history and care instead about football, have seen this as another step in the “Colin gets his 15” and see it as an indicator that he isn’t serious about dedicating himself to his craft. 

 

Thats my take on it at least.

 

As for CK, I was hoping he’d get a shot. He may still. I was anti-kneeling cause it was stupid and I find his views and motives ridiculous. I didn’t find kneeling during the national anthem disrespectful or horrific, and I found the way our Commander in Chief responded to it to be ridiculous. I did hate the argument that it was his first amendment right to kneel no matter what his employers said, because that’s idiotic and anyone whose had a job knows as much.... all that being said- I was hoping he’d get a shot cause either the NFL would get an exciting player, or the truth about CK’s inability as a QB would be revealed. Either way it’s a win for me as a football fan. Today however has, in my opinion, proven what I’ve always suspected... CK is more than happy being the most famous former football player. He’s happy with his fat sponsorships and his meta-narrative of oppression. The acts that have been presented today do not appear to be those of a man wanting to practice the professional act of football playing, but rather the professional act of acting. 

lol what a joke you are.

[MiltonWaddams]

57 minutes ago, OZBILLS said:

 

Well definitely lots of eating in this world

 

What the heck is under that shirt? His gut looks like a lopsided fanny pack

[In Summary]

Football is just a vehicle for his activism or maybe just a secondary passion.  The Duke Johnson story was a good example of what a truly football centric person would do to play in the NFL.

[mannc]

9 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

No disrespect...but...Man you guys need to get over this Broncos report.  Seriously stop sharing it and saying he’s turning down offers.  That’s about as accurate as something someone would get from Faux News.   
 

That was when he was first out of SF and looking to start and before he was blackballed.  He was a guy who had recently just led his team to a SB and was looking for a starting opportunity still.  
 

Yet you people falsely report it like he’s had recent chances and turned them down.  
 

 

Elway later admitted that the Broncos never offered Kaep a contract.  Straight up disinformation campaign.

[mannc]

On 11/15/2019 at 12:54 AM, klos63 said:

he turned down a 50% paycut which he would have had to accept before the Broncos would trade for him.

And the Broncos never offered him a contract after he became a free agent.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

10 hours ago, HOUSE said:

According to the statement released by his representatives, Kaepernick took issue with "an unusual liability waiver that addresses employment-related issues" requested by the NFL, and also he wanted all media to be allowed to observe and film the workout.

 

.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001077159/article/colin-kaepernick-workout-in-atlanta-moved-to-new-location

 

Kap just needs to shut the hell up and perform if he wants back in. Cant get all offended when things aren't to your liking. The league isnt going to do you any favors so you're going have go the extra mile to show them you're serious about playing again.

 

 

10 hours ago, stosh64 said:

He's got his Kunta Kinte shirt.

What a circus.

 

Dumbazz 

 

Not going to make it. This is not the time to make a stand on your feelings, just play ball kid.

 

Edited November 17, 2019 by Buffalo Barbarian

[Buffalo Barbarian]

10 hours ago, wppete said:

There is absolutely NO coach or GM going to hire this guy on just his behaviour warming up for perhaps one  the biggest moments in his career! That was embarrassing for a pro athlete.

 

Hes done, either he is delusional or doesn't give a damn, either way no one wants this distraction in the locker room.

 

 

10 hours ago, Gugny said:

NFL STATEMENT: We are disappointed that Colin did not appear for his workout. He informed us of that decision at 2:30 pm today along with the public.

 

https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/nfl-statement-after-colin-kaepernick-changes-workout

 

so this idiot changed the workout??? What a Friggin moron. Hope we never hear from him again.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

8 hours ago, H2o said:

 

Yeah, ole boy looks like he's eating good for sure. He's not really fat, but he's not in the shape he was before. 

 

Must have went off the vegan.

 

 

[Doc Brown]

45 minutes ago, mannc said:

Elway later admitted that the Broncos never offered Kaep a contract.  Straight up disinformation campaign.

Somewhat correct as the 49ers tried to trade him to the Broncos prior to the 2016 season (before the protest) and the deal fell through as Kaepernick refused to take a pay cut from the guaranteed money he was making with the 49ers.  Why would he?  Check Elway's political leanings and you'll find out why he pitched the idea that he tried to sign him after the protests.  He pry actually helped Kaepernick in the lawsuit.

 

I suspect for those who don't have a strong feeling either way Kaep is losing more and more sympathy as he seems to be milking this out.  From settling the collusion lawsuit settlement, cashing in with Nike, and this workout change of venue at the last second.  He comes across as a player more interested in furthering his crusade than playing football.

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

What a clown. He's always been a clown, of course, though no one really has the huevos to say it.

 

Is given a chance, and IMMEDIATELY makes a circus side-show of it.

 

Douche canoe of the highest order.

 

[BigBobby]

This just confirmed what many of us knew. Colin doesn't actually want to play and never did. He just wants everyone to think he made a sacrifice. It's part of his martyr image. What complete moron tells everyone who took the time to come to Atlanta to see HIM to now drive an hour away? It's honestly stunning anyone even showed up at that point. It's a freaking job interview and he proved exactly why nobody is signing him - because he's a feaking drama queen.

 

All this stupid colin followers should have realized this when his idiotic girlfriend posted a slavery picture while he was talking with the Ravens a while back. Every single time he has an opportunity, he mocks the NFL then cries about not getting a job.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

13 hours ago, Gugny said:

NFL teams attending

Below is a list of teams that will attend — or at least claim they are planning to attend — Kaepernick's workout outside Atlanta on Saturday based on media reports.

• Arizona Cardinals
• Atlanta Falcons
• Cincinnati Bengals
• Cleveland Browns
• Dallas Cowboys
• Denver Broncos
• Detroit Lions
• Jacksonville Jaguars
• Kansas City Chiefs
• Miami Dolphins
• New England Patriots
• New York Giants
• New York Jets
• San Francisco 49ers
• Seattle Seahawks
• Tampa Bay Buccaneers
• Washington Redskins

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/colin-kaepernick-workout-nfl-teams-attending-news-time/1j0ptcovpmrtn1y2hopeq89fho

 

 

.....stuck in traffic I presume......

Most teams didn’t show up to Colin Kaepernick’s workout

Posted by Michael David Smith on November 16, 2019, 6:40 PM EST

 

As of this morning, a large majority of NFL teams were expected to have representatives in Atlanta to watch Colin Kaepernick work out. By the time the workout had been moved an hour away amid sniping between the league and Kaepernick’s representatives, most teams opted out.

 

According to multiple reporters on the scene, the majority of NFL teams chose not to attend the rescheduled workout, which Kaepernick had in front of the media and on camera at a local high school instead of behind closed doors at the Falcons’ facility.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/11/16/most-teams-didnt-show-up-to-colin-kaepernicks-workout/

 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

.....stuck in traffic I presume......

Most teams didn’t show up to Colin Kaepernick’s workout

Posted by Michael David Smith on November 16, 2019, 6:40 PM EST

 

As of this morning, a large majority of NFL teams were expected to have representatives in Atlanta to watch Colin Kaepernick work out. By the time the workout had been moved an hour away amid sniping between the league and Kaepernick’s representatives, most teams opted out.

 

According to multiple reporters on the scene, the majority of NFL teams chose not to attend the rescheduled workout, which Kaepernick had in front of the media and on camera at a local high school instead of behind closed doors at the Falcons’ facility.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/11/16/most-teams-didnt-show-up-to-colin-kaepernicks-workout/

 

If you think about it, they all probably flew in and were taking public transportation to the stadium. With the last-minute switch, they would have to rent cars for the hour drive and it would probably affect their scheduling on the back end. Very understandable that so many teams backed out.

[hemma]

Football doesn't seem to be at all important to him, but being a firebrand may be his future.

I'd expect politics to be the next, suitably sleazy career.

[Beast]

9 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Yup.

It must be fun in your world of make believe.

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

26 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

If you think about it, they all probably flew in and were taking public transportation to the stadium. With the last-minute switch, they would have to rent cars for the hour drive and it would probably affect their scheduling on the back end. Very understandable that so many teams backed out.

I'm guessing most of them hitchhiked, so likely only the neater/cleaner ones were able to get there.  

[BigBobby]

2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

.....stuck in traffic I presume......

Most teams didn’t show up to Colin Kaepernick’s workout

Posted by Michael David Smith on November 16, 2019, 6:40 PM EST

 

As of this morning, a large majority of NFL teams were expected to have representatives in Atlanta to watch Colin Kaepernick work out. By the time the workout had been moved an hour away amid sniping between the league and Kaepernick’s representatives, most teams opted out.

 

According to multiple reporters on the scene, the majority of NFL teams chose not to attend the rescheduled workout, which Kaepernick had in front of the media and on camera at a local high school instead of behind closed doors at the Falcons’ facility.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/11/16/most-teams-didnt-show-up-to-colin-kaepernicks-workout/

 

That's stunning. I would have expected most teams to be totally cool with that jerk changing his plans last second when he had almost a full week to do so.

 

Clearly not a slap in the face of the teams who made travel arrangements just to see Colin's private audition.

 

The reality is that Colin probably was disappointed that so many teams showed up because it goes against his agenda that the whole world is against him. Then changed his plans last minute so he can later say...see only 8 teams showed up to see me workout.

 

[Scott7975]

5 hours ago, mannc said:

Elway later admitted that the Broncos never offered Kaep a contract.  Straight up disinformation campaign.

 

He did?  Where?

[Chandler#81]

2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

What a clown. He's always been a clown, of course, though no one really has the huevos to say it.

 

Is given a chance, and IMMEDIATELY makes a circus side-show of it.

 

Douche canoe of the highest order.

 

He’s a clown. There, I said it. I wish he’d just disappear.

[Putin]

49 minutes ago, hemma said:

Football doesn't seem to be at all important to him, but being a firebrand may be his future.

I'd expect politics to be the next, suitably sleazy career.

Agree 100 % !!!

He was wearing a Fidel Castro t-shirt while giving a speech in Miami of all places!!! 

That really pissed a Cuban community off ,

its like going to Israel ?? and wearing a Hitler/nazi brown shirt , how can someone be so stupid??

Edited November 17, 2019 by Putin

[whatdrought]

8 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said:

lol what a joke you are.

 

Huzzah! A well thought out response and counter from the great intellectual! Careful bud, keep it up with this amazing level of dialogue and people might start to wonder if you really are the loser that everyone has always assumed you are. We wouldn’t want your street cred to suffer. 

Edited November 17, 2019 by whatdrought

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

7 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said:

What the heck is under that shirt? His gut looks like a lopsided fanny pack

 

 

...looks like he's been working out with Benjamin...............

[wppete]

Even his boy Stephen A. Smith went off on Kaepernick! Hes done 100% for sure!

 

 

[yall]

17 minutes ago, wppete said:

Even his boy Stephen A. Smith went off on Kaepernick! Hes done 100% for sure!

 

 

I could actually listen to him when he's calm and reasonable. I didn't feel like he was shouting at me.

[jkirchofer]

5 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Kap just needs to shut the hell up and perform if he wants back in. Cant get all offended when things aren't to your liking. The league isnt going to do you any favors so you're going have go the extra mile to show them you're serious about playing again.

 

 

 

Dumbazz 

 

Not going to make it. This is not the time to make a stand on your feelings, just play ball kid.

 

Its comments like this that are part of the problem. You just want him to shut his mouth and perform for you, right? He should give up his First Amendment rights because you don't agree with his message, right? He has used his platform and influence to bring awareness to issues that are important to him at great personal and financial costs. I applaud that. I support him. And you know what....there is nothing legally saying anyone needs to stand for the National Anthem. We have a choice. Myself and many many others have fought for that choice. He does not need to shut up and perform for you. You need to respect his stand.