Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 It's been the problem all year. The Bills can't even get a lucky tipped ball pick. No pass rush all season long. I know folks on hear are focusing their ire on Daboll, Allen, and this week Hauschka. It's short sighted. The problem is Frazier and the d-line. Frazier doesn't blitz enough and the d-line despite what PFF says is not winning many one on one matchups. It's really hard to consistently drive 75 + yards for scores. In this league you need short fields and occasionally some points by the defense. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 I agree, and this has been infuriating. We can't get pressure with our front four, and turnovers simply aren't coming. Even just one today could have been a game-changer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 More Blitzes might be nice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbillsfan Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 This is part of the problem. Our defense is good but we are t creating turnovers like we have in the past to help the offense. when we do get them it seems to be at the other end of the field. when we get home we are getting the fumbles off the sacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) 3 and outs are turnovers. Turnovers on downs are turnovers. A safety IS a turnover WITH points. The defense, YET AGAIN, held a team under 20 and our offense didn't get the job done. You keep the other team under 20 and you HAVE to win. Raise the standard. Edited November 10, 2019 by Elite Poster 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 The problem is we can’t score on offense. If we could we’d be 8-1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbillsfan Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, wvbillsfan said: This is part of the problem. Our defense is good but we are t creating turnovers like we have in the past to help the offense. when we do get them it seems to be at the other end of the field. when we get home we aren’t getting the fumbles off the sacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 20 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: It's been the problem all year. The Bills can't even get a lucky tipped ball pick. No pass rush all season long. I know folks on hear are focusing their ire on Daboll, Allen, and this week Hauschka. It's short sighted. The problem is Frazier and the d-line. Frazier doesn't blitz enough and the d-line despite what PFF says is not winning many one on one matchups. It's really hard to consistently drive 75 + yards for scores. In this league you need short fields and occasionally some points by the defense. It is a concern but not the sole reason we aren’t winning , we are 6-3. When there is no pressure on the QB there are no opportunities to cause hurried mistakes. It is the reason why teams linger longer than we’d like and why we can’t put them away. It is the reason why we aren’t scoring as many points. We don’t see many short fields situations. It is the reason why teams don’t change they’re approach on offense against us. Why would they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Defense isn’t the problem. If anything I really don’t want to see our defenders giving up extra yards trying to strip the ball. I am tired of seeing Murphy trying to strip the ball and giving up an extra 5-10 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 It’s funny that you mention Frazier not blitzing a lot when a blitz played a big part in costing the team a win. Scoring in the red zone is tough because you have a lot of defenders compressed into a small space. Frazier cleared out that space for the offense by blitzing on that game winning TD. Just a horrible call in that part of the field. The D has held tough al day In the red zone and Frazier decides to put Wallace on an island. Sigh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, MDH said: It’s funny that you mention Frazier not blitzing a lot when a blitz played a big part in costing the team a win. Scoring in the red zone is tough because you have a lot of defenders compressed into a small space. Frazier cleared out that space for the offense by blitzing on that game winning TD. Just a horrible call in that part of the field. The D has held tough al day In the red zone and Frazier decides to put Wallace on an island. Sigh. It seemed a lot of their other better pass plays came against the blitz also. The blitz is great if it gets to the qb quick but it’s seems like when the bills do it, it seldom Gets through untouched 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) The problem is they play conversative style defense, not many blitzes and lack of turnovers are your end result. Everything is about keeping players in front on them and making the tackle. The final drive was perfect example of playing conservative, you better off rushing 5-6 and forcing Baker into making a quick decision. If you get burned you're still are leaving yourself time to come back, Sean is an average HC and until he goes this mentality of playing not lose will remain Edited November 10, 2019 by Niagara Dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 35 minutes ago, Playoffs? said: More Blitzes might be nice. Blitzes are a feast or famine play. A gamble. Poyer blitzed on the long run by Chubb on their game winning drive and got picked up with ease. We blitzed on the TD pass on their game winning drive. I would have been nice to give Levi Wallace some safety help deep in the end zone on that play. Blitzes are a gamble and today they did not work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Bob in STL said: Blitzes are a feast or famine play. A gamble. Poyer blitzed on the long run by Chubb on their game winning drive and got picked up with ease. We blitzed on the TD pass on their game winning drive. I would have been nice to give Levi Wallace some safety help deep in the end zone on that play. Blitzes are a gamble and today they did not work. The final drive for the Browns they we're better off blitzing and if they beat you your still leaving yourself time. Sean is way too conservative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 The defense did their part today. Yes, they could have won the game with a stop on the final drive, sure. Holding a team to 19 on the road is a good day, especially with the inept offense we have that cannot sustain drives or help turn the field. When is this offense going to have a 100 yard rusher or throw for 300 yard? Anything to give the defense some help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) Very well said. Barely any 3 and outs, no turnovers, barely any sacks Its very frustrating to watch. Edited November 11, 2019 by BillsFan130 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Williams Available Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 The D is the least of the problems this team has, but it’s hard to watch them week in and week out and KNOW in no situation are they going to force a turnover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Niagara Dude said: The final drive for the Browns they we're better off blitzing and if they beat you your still leaving yourself time. Sean is way too conservative We had enough time to score and we had one time out. How about the offense learn to run two plays back to back. How about the offense not waste time in the huddle, maybe try a no huddle for a change? How about the offensive players (Brown and Singletary) get out of bounds, which they each failed to do on the last drive. The blitzes we tried did not work on Cleveland's last drive. Watch the replays. Edited November 11, 2019 by Bob in STL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Finkel Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 So we need our defense to score to win more games because the offense is not capable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Bills have quite a few holes. A WR1 and a DE that can pressure the QB top the list. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ray Finkel said: So we need our defense to score to win more games because the offense is not capable. No, but if they stopped the Browns final drive (or at least keep them out of the endzone), the Bills probably win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Both offense and defense are lacking game changing plays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Front 4 is the weakest link on this team. Talk all you want about the O but another 150 yards on the ground against and that was one of the worst olines in the league. Little pressure on Baker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 The defense is certainly in better shape than the offense, but they are both linked. We already know the offense is not very strong, so to consistently ask them to drive 75+ yards is a lot to ask. The defense NEEDS to generate more turnovers and more pressure. It’s as simple as that. Then when those turnovers happen, the offense had to do something with the ball. The defense finally does something besides force a punt when they got the safety, and then the offense goes 3 and out because Lee Smith had gone almost 2 quarters without committing a penalty (why is this guy still on the team?!?!) so while I don’t put a lot on the defense, they need to do a better job of creating turnovers to help out the offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 11, 2019 Author Share Posted November 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Elite Poster said: 3 and outs are turnovers. Turnovers on downs are turnovers. A safety IS a turnover WITH points. The defense, YET AGAIN, held a team under 20 and our offense didn't get the job done. You keep the other team under 20 and you HAVE to win. Raise the standard. 1. 3 and outs are not turnovers 2. Turnovers on downs would count - not sure how many the defense has forced in the last few weeks. Of course they had one at the goal line today but not on the final drive when it really mattered 3. I'd rather have a strip sack inside their thirty yard line than a safety. Meaning, I'd take a short field and a chance for a TD or at worst a short FG over 2 points and a free kick. You are missing my point. The defense needs to help set up the offense with better filed position. No doubt the offense can do better. But the NFL is a turnover league, not a drive it 80 yards in 12 plays league. That is not the norm. 40 minutes ago, Ray Finkel said: So we need our defense to score to win more games because the offense is not capable. No we need the defense to create negative plays and turnovers to put the offense in better position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Our defense is the main reason we are 6-3. If we had somewhat of a decent offense...we would be playing for the AFC east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJauronClap Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 36 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Front 4 is the weakest link on this team. Talk all you want about the O but another 150 yards on the ground against and that was one of the worst olines in the league. Little pressure on Baker. Qb is the weakest link my guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 This narrow margin conservative style we play depends on the defense getting some turnovers. It aint happening this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Finkel Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 50 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: No, but if they stopped the Browns final drive (or at least keep them out of the endzone), the Bills probably win. The defense held them to 19 points. We can’t score. We held the Pats to 16 actually less because blocked punt for TD but we couldn’t score. I can go on and on about our offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Even with their struggles on the ground, the Bills are a good defense. What separates them from being great are a lack of QB pressure and failure to force turnovers. Still the problem on this team is not the defense. It’s a terrible offense - namely Josh Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Binghamton Beast said: The problem is we can’t score on offense. If we could we’d be 8-1. And if the defense could close out games games we could say the same - will always give them a pass for that NE game where they played lights out. The problem is both. A defense that gives up 100-200 yards rushing each week and clock-consuming 80+ yard drives sans enough 3 and outs, and a schizophrenic offense struggling to finish drives with a kicker who cannot collect the bonus points when drives stall within striking distance. If Hausch hits those two kicks that's 20 on the board and enough points to win several NFL games that transpired today including ours. No one on the team from the coaches on down can be happy with their performance today. There is enough blame to go around, we don't have to lean on hyperbole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 people need to stop following the bills. it only leads to wasted time and disappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 In order to force turnovers, you need to pressure the other team's offense into mistakes. They rarely just give them to you. That means a strong pass rush, ideally without blitzing which puts Wallace in man v man coverage, and the Bills don't really have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 20 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Our defense is the main reason we are 6-3. If we had somewhat of a decent offense...we would be playing for the AFC east. This ^^^ Defense is definitely not an elite group, but it’s more than good enough . Offense can’t score more than two TDs most days, and Daboll has no idea what a running game looks like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 It also would help to actually catch the ball when the other team’s quarterback throws it to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 33 minutes ago, TheJauronClap said: Qb is the weakest link my guy We're in year 2 of the project QB. What's your plan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJauronClap Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Big Blitz said: We're in year 2 of the project QB. What's your plan? Everyone stop blaming a d for not getting turnovers when you held a team to 19 points or blaming a oc for bad playcalling when receivers are in positions to make plays and the ball isnt anywhere close. Here a question for you why is josh allen a project to you cause some analysts tells you he is? cause mahomes watson jackson were labeled projects and look at them. but darnold and mayfield werent labeled projects and look how they are playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, TheJauronClap said: Everyone stop blaming a d for not getting turnovers when you held a team to 19 points or blaming a oc for bad playcalling when receivers are in positions to make plays and the ball isnt anywhere close. Here a question for you why is josh allen a project to you cause some analysts tells you he is? cause mahomes watson jackson were labeled projects and look at them. but darnold and mayfield werent labeled projects and look how they are playing Everyone is a work in progress and grows year by year at the position. The great ones. Stafford is having his best season. Ben has had his best in the last 5 years. They do enough in their 20s get to their 30s and hit another level. Its experience. Week to week....shoot series to series everyone reaches final conclusions on guys. Oh he sucks.....wow look at Lamar spin move that's awesome and totally long term sustainable (or did it even count bc it was against the Bengals I can't keep up with performances I should take seriously or not). Ryan Tannehill is now good again btw! How about that. And one month ago Cousins was the worst QB in the league. But you're right let's just go back to the elite QB store and find one or rev up the Delorean and select Mahomes or Watson. That's loser Buffalo mentality I no longer relate to and just refuse to even harp on. My solution is John Brown is an elite #2. We currently should be a 60-40 run team. We need a DE that can set the edge better than Trent Murphy. Problems not getting solved until April and May. Edited November 11, 2019 by Big Blitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJauronClap Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Big Blitz said: Everyone is a work in progress and grows year by year at the position. The great ones. Stafford is having his best season. Ben has had his best in the last 5 years. They do enough in their 20s get to their 30s and hit another level. Its experience. Week to week....shoot series to series everyone reaches final conclusions on guys. Oh he sucks.....wow look at Lamar spin move that's awesome and totally long term sustainable (or did it even count bc it was against the Bengals I can't keep up with performances I should take seriously or not). Ryan Tannehill is now good again btw! How about that. And one month ago Cousins was the worst QB in the league. But you're right let's just go back to the elite QB store and find one or rev up the Delorean and select Mahomes or Watson. That's loser Buffalo mentality I no longer relate to and just refuse to relate to. My solution is John Brown is an elite #2. We currently should be a 60-40 run team. We need a DE that can set the edge better than Trent Murphy. Problems not getting solved until April and May. First off i never said get those guys your labeling josh as a project. Tannehill has always been decent and cousins is still the worst qb for his contract besides cam. My solution is judge your qb he is missing open guys to break games open there are things you can learn but qb is a lot of timing and feel for the position you got it or you dont period the game on offense is won and lost by your QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, TheJauronClap said: First off i never said get those guys your labeling josh as a project. Tannehill has always been decent and cousins is still the worst qb for his contract besides cam. My solution is judge your qb he is missing open guys to break games open there are things you can learn but qb is a lot of timing and feel for the position you got it or you dont period the game on offense is won and lost by your QB Fair but he's making throws that we were told he could not make in the 10-15 yard range.....and there are a lot of balls being dropped and other things happening that arent all on the QB. I've evaluated him. If the season ended today he comes back the starter. What are you doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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