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Ethan in Portland

One forced turnover by Bills D in five weeks

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It's been the problem all year. The Bills can't even get a lucky tipped ball pick. No pass rush all season long.  I know folks on hear are focusing their ire on Daboll, Allen, and this week Hauschka.  It's short sighted. The problem is Frazier and the d-line. Frazier doesn't blitz enough and the d-line despite what PFF says is not winning many one on one matchups. 

It's really hard to consistently drive 75 + yards for scores. In this league you need short fields and occasionally some points by the defense. 

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I agree, and this has been infuriating.  We can't get pressure with our front four, and turnovers simply aren't coming.  Even just one today could have been a game-changer.

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This is part of the problem. Our defense is good but we are t creating turnovers like we have in the past to help the offense. 
when we do get them it seems to be at the other end of the field. 
 

when we get home we are getting the fumbles off the sacks. 

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3 and outs are turnovers. Turnovers on downs are turnovers.  A safety IS a turnover WITH points. 

 

The defense, YET AGAIN, held a team under 20 and our offense didn't get the job done. You keep the other team under 20 and you HAVE to win. Raise the standard. 

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10 minutes ago, wvbillsfan said:

This is part of the problem. Our defense is good but we are t creating turnovers like we have in the past to help the offense. 
when we do get them it seems to be at the other end of the field. 
 

when we get home we aren’t getting the fumbles off the sacks. 

 

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20 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

It's been the problem all year. The Bills can't even get a lucky tipped ball pick. No pass rush all season long.  I know folks on hear are focusing their ire on Daboll, Allen, and this week Hauschka.  It's short sighted. The problem is Frazier and the d-line. Frazier doesn't blitz enough and the d-line despite what PFF says is not winning many one on one matchups. 

It's really hard to consistently drive 75 + yards for scores. In this league you need short fields and occasionally some points by the defense. 

It is a concern but not the sole reason we aren’t winning , we are 6-3. When there is no pressure on the QB there are no opportunities to cause hurried mistakes. 
 

It is the reason why teams linger longer than we’d like and why we can’t put them away.
It is the reason why we aren’t scoring as many points. We don’t see many short fields situations.

It is the reason why teams don’t change they’re approach on offense against us. Why would they?

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Defense isn’t the problem. 

If anything I really don’t want to see our defenders giving up extra yards trying to strip the ball. I am tired of seeing Murphy trying to strip the ball and giving up an extra 5-10 yards. 

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It’s funny that you mention Frazier not blitzing a lot when a blitz played a big part in costing  the team a win.
 

Scoring in the red zone is tough because you

have a lot of defenders compressed into a small space. Frazier cleared out that space for the offense by blitzing on that game winning TD.

 

Just a horrible call in that part of the field. The D has held tough al day In the red zone and Frazier decides to put Wallace on an island. 


Sigh.

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1 minute ago, MDH said:

It’s funny that you mention Frazier not blitzing a lot when a blitz played a big part in costing  the team a win.
 

Scoring in the red zone is tough because you

have a lot of defenders compressed into a small space. Frazier cleared out that space for the offense by blitzing on that game winning TD.

 

Just a horrible call in that part of the field. The D has held tough al day In the red zone and Frazier decides to put Wallace on an island. 


Sigh.

It seemed a lot of their other better pass plays came against the blitz also. The blitz is great if it gets to the qb quick but it’s seems like when the bills do it, it seldom Gets through untouched 

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The problem is they play conversative style defense,  not many blitzes and lack of turnovers are your end result.  Everything is about keeping players in front on them and making the tackle.  The final drive was perfect example of playing conservative,  you better off rushing 5-6 and forcing Baker into making a quick decision.  If you get burned you're still are leaving yourself time to come back,  Sean is an average HC and until he goes this mentality of playing not lose will remain

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35 minutes ago, Playoffs? said:

More Blitzes might be nice. 

Blitzes are a feast or famine play.  A gamble.

 

Poyer blitzed on the long run by Chubb on their game winning drive and got picked up with ease. 

 

We blitzed on the TD pass on their game winning drive.  I would have been nice to give Levi Wallace some safety help deep in the end zone on that play.   

 

Blitzes are a gamble and today they did not work. 

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1 minute ago, Bob in STL said:

Blitzes are a feast or famine play.  A gamble.

 

Poyer blitzed on the long run by Chubb on their game winning drive and got picked up with ease. 

 

We blitzed on the TD pass on their game winning drive.  I would have been nice to give Levi Wallace some safety help deep in the end zone on that play.   

 

Blitzes are a gamble and today they did not work. 

The final drive for the Browns they we're better off blitzing and if they beat you your still leaving yourself time.  Sean is way too conservative

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The defense did their part today.  Yes, they could have won the game with a stop on the final drive, sure.  Holding a team to 19 on the road is a good day, especially with the inept offense we have that cannot sustain drives or help turn the field. 

 

When is this offense going to have a 100 yard rusher or throw for 300 yard?  Anything to give the defense some help? 

 

 

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Very well said.

 

Barely any 3 and outs, no turnovers, barely any sacks

 

Its very frustrating to watch.

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5 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

The final drive for the Browns they we're better off blitzing and if they beat you your still leaving yourself time.  Sean is way too conservative

 

We had enough time to score and we had one time out. 

 

How about the offense learn to run two plays back to back.

 

How about the offense not waste time in the huddle, maybe try a no huddle for a change?

 

How about the offensive players (Brown and Singletary) get out of bounds, which they each failed to do on the last drive. 

 

The blitzes we tried did not work on Cleveland's last drive.  Watch the replays. 

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Ray Finkel said:

So we need our defense to score to win more games because the offense is not capable.

 

No, but if they stopped the Browns final drive (or at least keep them out of the endzone), the Bills probably win.

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Both offense and defense are lacking game changing plays.

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Front 4 is the weakest link on this team.

 

Talk all you want about the O but another 150 yards on the ground against and that was one of the worst olines in the league.  Little pressure on Baker.  

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The defense is certainly in better shape than the offense, but they are both linked. We already know the offense is not very strong, so to consistently ask them to drive 75+ yards is a lot to ask. The defense NEEDS to generate more turnovers and more pressure. It’s as simple as that. Then when those turnovers happen, the offense had to do something with the ball. The defense finally does something besides force a punt when they got the safety, and then the offense goes 3 and out because Lee Smith had gone almost 2 quarters without committing a penalty (why is this guy still on the team?!?!)

 

so while I don’t put a lot on the defense, they need to do a better job of creating turnovers to help out the offense 

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1 hour ago, Elite Poster said:

3 and outs are turnovers. Turnovers on downs are turnovers.  A safety IS a turnover WITH points. 

 

The defense, YET AGAIN, held a team under 20 and our offense didn't get the job done. You keep the other team under 20 and you HAVE to win. Raise the standard. 

1. 3 and outs are not turnovers

2. Turnovers on downs would count - not sure how many the defense has forced in the last few weeks.  Of course they had one at the goal line today but not on the final drive when it really mattered

3. I'd rather have a strip sack inside their thirty yard line than a safety.  Meaning, I'd take a short field and a chance for a TD or at worst a short FG over 2 points and a free kick.  

 

You are missing my point.  The defense needs to help set up the offense with better filed position.  No doubt the offense can do better.  But the NFL is a turnover league, not a drive it 80 yards in 12 plays league.  That is not the norm.  

40 minutes ago, Ray Finkel said:

So we need our defense to score to win more games because the offense is not capable.

No we need the defense to create negative plays and turnovers to put the offense in better position.  

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