Bills at Browns Post Game Post Mortem

[3rdand12]

2 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

That thought has definitely crossed my mind. 

Cam has been died for almost a season. do not wish him back.
 

Hope that Allen will  gather himself still !

not too late to hope

[london_bills]

4 minutes ago, par73 said:

Seconds were ticking away. I was shocked that they showed no urgency.

Allen reminded me of EJ there. 

[dubs]

7 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

Explain why without trying to point to only one pass. I'm not absolving him of all blame, but the idiots here claiming he sucks because of this game, or that he was the main reason we lost, and then pointing to one missed pass are, in fact, idiots. 

one pass!?  Did you watch the same game?

 

hes a problem. That’s what people are saying. Not that he’s the ONLY problem, but when your QB is a problem it is the biggest problem. 
 

he can’t hit a deep throw and he’s slow making decisions, and making bad reads. He’d have to be perfect with the rest of his game to overcome that, and obviously he’s not. 
 

I still have hope, but it’s starting to fade a bit. 

Edited November 10, 2019 by dubs

[MAJBobby]

Also I see a ton of Daboll hate all the time. 
 

here is the question how is Greg Romans (Another guy we hated) offense looking with a Competent QB. 
 

sorry McD should not get another chance to Hire another OC. 
 

just like he shouldn’t get another chance for QB. 
 

 

so if Daboll is Canned McClappy and his ambiguous “Process” and “DNA” should quickly follow 

[3rdand12]

3 minutes ago, Big C said:

 

Yeah that 3rd & 3 deep shot to Beasley of all people was so ill-advised. I have no idea if that was Daboll's call or if Allen opted to let it rip, but it was a terrible play.

no kidding

wtf was that?

[WideNine]

Just now, london_bills said:

The OC is an easier criticism then the QB. Anytime a playcall doesn't work its the OCs fault. Allen never scans the whole field and. Lacks composure and consistency. The QB sets the tone for the team. 

 

Allen won't be replaced now but it's naive to think he will Improve much more than this. 

 

 

 

Most are saying it is both, but go ahead and run with that narrative.

[DuckyBoys]

4 minutes ago, Big C said:

 

Allen has gotten significantly better at the intermediate throws. We seem to convert a decent number of 2nd and 3rd & long situations. I feel like we are more likely to convert 3rd and 10 than 3rd & 3, but I don't have numbers to prove it. 

were running the same plays/routes on 3rd and 3 as 3rd and 10  Dabol hasnt schemed up a easy conversion in weeks  Go watch the big boy offenses  they scheme to help their qb/skills guys get some easy completions  Allen didnt play well but this offense sucks regardless

[CEN-CAL17]

Coaches, players, analysts etc are going to say we gotta learn from this loss. Better execute etc.....

 

What is there to learn????

 

This team struggles to put up points. Last year I think 21 teams averaged over 20 points. The Bills Offense have scored over 25 points once. Many games under 20. How do you learn when after 9 games it’s much of the same. This team possibly could beat anyone if they score over 25 points. But to even score 3 TDs is nearly extinct. What we’ve learned is this offense has to score more points and can’t.  I’m not going to get into Daboll or Allen or Singletarys number being called.... this offense is not working. There’s nothing more to learn. Except for, if this defense gives up 15 or more points it’s going to be a battle.

[popcornpam]

Mc D  head coach is too conservative I knew the Browns will go down and get a touchdown because he won’t constantly blitz the  team he just lays down and  hopes that they drop a ball. 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

Just now, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

It’s he NFL, teams are going to make plays. It’s not any narrative, the defense held them to 19 points, they did their job. That drive should’ve been garbage time for Mayfield.

The defense shut down hoe many goal to go try’s in a row?

Came up with a huge safety to tie the game.

Yeah, this loss is on the ineptness of the offense.

Hauschka can get like 5%, but again they should be scoring Touchdowns. The offense needs to convert the big plays that are afforded to them.

No, none of this loss is on the defense, sorry Charlie.

 

Sorry Charlie; great defenses still step up and stop the go-ahead score despite how awesome they played prior.  Just because they played stout earlier, doesn't excuse them letting Chubb carry 6 players on his back for another 10 yards or Wallace continuously getting exposed. 

 

[DuckyBoys]

1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said:

no kidding

wtf was that?

Its on one of them  I want to see film, someone said all the routes were way downfield  

[Pirate Angel]

At the beginning of the season we where at best a 9-7 team and now we are headed toward 9-7 everyone's all bent out of shape. A young QB learning on on offense that doesn't have a single stud in it....Our offensive line is much improved from last year but it's still just OK, Our WRs are a better unit than last year but still around Average, Brown and Beasley could be great assets to a true #1 WR.  Our run game doesn't scare anyone, I like singletary but as of right now he needs to be part of a committee and not with 36 year old gore.

[BeastMaster]

38 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

I watched about 40% of this game, what exactly am I missing in people blaming allne?

I don't know either.

 

He was under constant pressure, and he made good throws when he got time.

 

Got a PI on a deep ball, didn't turn the ball over, and ran for two scores along with drives that the kicker couldn't finish with points.

 

Ridiculous the amount of criticism this kid is getting

[whatdrought]

1 minute ago, dubs said:

one pass!?  Did you watch the same game?

 

hes a problem. That’s what people are saying. Not that he’s the ONLY problem, but when your QB is a problem it is the biggest problem. 
 

he can’t hit a deep throw and he’s slow making decisions, and making bad reads. He’d have to be perfect with the rest of his game to overcome that, and obviously he’s not. 
 

I still have hope, but it’s starting to fade a bit. 

 

I'm not arguing anything from one pass, everyone else on this damn board is. That's the issue. go read context before stepping into a conversation.

 

That being said, I disagree with your other takes. He played well, made good decisions in important spots and threw the ball well. We can agree to disagree. The deep ball is a problem, no question there. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Gap integrity, love each other, keep learning, and we are a young team. 

That is all McD will say and its all bull

[3rdand12]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

Also I see a ton of Daboll hate all the time. 
 

here is the question how is Greg Romans (Another guy we hated) offense looking with a Competent QB. 
 

sorry McD should not get another chance to Hire another OC. 
 

just like he shouldn’t get another chance for QB. 
 

 

so if Daboll is Canned McClappy and his ambiguous “Process” and “DNA” should quickly follow 

no mood to start over. McD is learning. Young HC has improved each year imho. the penalties are down finally and the TOs are correctly applied

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 minutes ago, Ray Finkel said:

Don’t worry Cam Newton will be here soon.

 

 

 

...he comes in boxes...,reassembly required.....Liquid Nails recommended...."Purple Rain CD" included......gawd NO......

[Maine-iac]

You want the Allen hate to end just start talking about how we'd probably be winning with Tyrod and they'll all love Allen again.

[3rdand12]

2 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

Sorry Charlie; great defenses still step up and stop the go-ahead score despite how awesome they played prior.  Just because they played stout earlier, doesn't excuse them letting Chubb carry 6 players on his back for another 10 yards or Wallace continuously getting exposed. 

 

how about that goal line stand 9 times over?

[WideNine]

8 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Allen leaves plays on the field. 

 

truly enlightening comment.

 

so other QBs do not leave plays on the field... Mayfield did not leave any, or Mahomes for that matter - really?

 

Not defending Allen, but when you make comments like this you are just trolling - poorly.

[Lurker]

Whatever they learn and fix today...they'll F-up something else next week.

[Chris66]

8 minutes ago, Big C said:

 

Yeah that 3rd & 3 deep shot to Beasley of all people was so ill-advised. I have no idea if that was Daboll's call or if Allen opted to let it rip, but it was a terrible play.

Every play and formation has multiple options. Where the ball goes is all on Allen

[Ray Finkel]

Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

 

...he comes in boxes...,reassembly required.....Liquid Nails recommended...."Purple Rain CD" included......gawd NO......

I don’t want him but he will be a former Panther.

[stevewin]

44 minutes ago, Big C said:

Complain about the offense all you want, our kicker missed two field goals in a game we lost by 3. 

The defense also gave up an 80+ yard drive with a 4 pt lead and 4 mins left - just needing to keep them out of the EZ.  So frustrating

[dubs]

Just now, whatdrought said:

 

I'm not arguing anything from one pass, everyone else on this damn board is. That's the issue. go read context before stepping into a conversation.

 

That being said, I disagree with your other takes. He played well, made good decisions in important spots and threw the ball well. We can agree to disagree. The deep ball is a problem, no question there. 

respectfully, you’re just wrong. 
 

he made a few nice throws for sure, but that doesn’t mean he had a good game. Allen was by in large bad today.  Poor decisions, missing reads, terrible deep balls, is bad. 
 

 

[marco14150]

34 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Cut the QB, fire everyone, season's over, here comes 6-10

 

go away please

[Big C]

3 minutes ago, popcornpam said:

Mc D  head coach is too conservative I knew the Browns will go down and get a touchdown because he won’t constantly blitz the  team he just lays down and  hopes that they drop a ball. 

 

Didn't we see a stat about Baker being dreadful facing pressure this year? We got none. I mean, I still expected the defense to not let them drive for the TD at the end, but man... they really blew it.

[3rdand12]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

I think so too.

pffffhhhttt

 I think not

[eanyills]

Trust the process, have to look at the film, something something about culture. It’s all fluff. Talent and coaching is holding the team back.

Edited November 10, 2019 by eanyills

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

no mood to start over. McD is learning. Young HC has improved each year imho. the penalties are down finally and the TOs are correctly applied

 

 

and he just got out coached by the worst HC in the league. 
 

fact if the OC isn’t good enough I don’t want ultra conservative McClappy and his Process picking another one. Just like I want him no where near picking another QB if Allen isn’t it 

[Warren Zevon]

9 minutes ago, Agent 91 said:

I only blame MCDERMOTT AND BEANE for sitting on their hands and not fixing the run defense. 2 complete drafts 3 FA periods and they just let the trade deadline pass again. Corey Liuget that's what they give us as a salve. How about Vincent Taylor. Come on!!!

 

Run defense stuffed them countless times inside the 5 - they were above average at least today

[Virgil]

We don’t learn from our losses.  The only adjustment we’ve made is making Allen timid with the ball

[Sherlock Holmes]

On the bright side for those of you complaining about Allen... He probably would've had his 300 yard game if Hausch hits that FG

[LeGOATski]

11 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

Again, I have a perfect Pre Season Record...
 

WK1 @ Jets. WIN (1-0)

WK2 @ Giants WIN (2-0)

WK3 Bengals WIN (3-0)

WK4 Patriots LOSS (3-1)

WK5 @ Titans WIN (4-1)

WK6 BYE (4-1) 

WK7 Dolphins WIN (5-1)

WK8 Eagles LOSS (5-2)

WK9 Redskins WIN (6-2)

WK10 @ Browns LOSS (6-3)

WK11 @ Dolphins WIN (7-3) 

WK12 Broncos WIN (8-3)

WK13 @ Cowboys LOSS (8-4)

WK14 Ravens WIN (9-4)

WK15 @ Steelers LOSS (9-5)

WK16 @ Patriots LOSS (9-6)

WK17 Jets WIN  (10-6) 

 

unforunately.

 

 

That's awesome!

[BullBuchanan]

55 minutes ago, clayboy54 said:

We had at least 2 chances for Hauschka to win this game and he failed.

Hauschka makes the kick and we just tie it, leaving McD/Daboll/Allen another opportunity to find a more creative way to lose.

If we were an actual good team that deserved our record the Browns never would have even been in this game. It was a 60 minute race to the bottom, and the browns finished shooting themselves in the foot before we ran out of bullets.

[whatdrought]

1 minute ago, dubs said:

respectfully, you’re just wrong. 
 

he made a few nice throws for sure, but that doesn’t mean he had a good game. Allen was by in large bad today.  Poor decisions, missing reads, terrible deep balls, is bad. 
 

 

 

You're entitled to your opinion. A lot of rational, non-emotion driven posters (i.e. those who typically live in reality) disagree with you. There are others who are yelling ***** allen as they plunge to their deaths over Niagara Falls. We're probably both plenty wrong- he probably wasn't as okay as I think he was, and he probably wasn't as bad as you think he was. It is what it is. 

[JoPar_v2]

1 minute ago, eanyills said:

Trust the process, have to look at the film, something something about culture. It’s all fluff. Talent and coaching is holding the team back.

Lol exactly. Twice in the last 3 weeks the Bills have managed to lose to teams that were hurtling towards implosion. But our CULTURE!!!

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

5 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

how about that goal line stand 9 times over?

 

It was awesome; I was never disputing that chief.  My point to the OP was the defense needed a stop with less than 5 min to go and allowed the Browns to march down for the GO-AHEAD score.  Is that not a reality of what happened?  Bills stop the Browns on that drive and the percentage of winning that game is probably greater than 90%.

Edited November 10, 2019 by Lieutenant Aldo Raine

[Happy]

5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Also I see a ton of Daboll hate all the time. 
 

here is the question how is Greg Romans (Another guy we hated) offense looking with a Competent QB. 
 

sorry McD should not get another chance to Hire another OC. 
 

just like he shouldn’t get another chance for QB. 
 

 

so if Daboll is Canned McClappy and his ambiguous “Process” and “DNA” should quickly follow 

 

Roman looks good because one of the better HC's in the league in John Harbaugh sets the direction.  That is something Rex obviously couldn't do, McD isn't doing, so these OC's are left to their own devices.  A competent OC can overcome this since they understand their players and shape their scheme to their players.

 

Agree on this being the last OC McD hires.  Pegula and Beane should hire an offensive guru/consultant who will pick the OC.  McD will have to live with that.

[blacklabel]

I don't fault the defense that much for this one. Would've been nice if they could've closed it out but still, they only gave up 19 to a loaded offense. And they've bailed them out all season, the one time when the offense needs to pull through, they *kinda* do, but then Hauschka misses the kick. And both his misses came from the right hash, I wonder if he consistently struggles from that side. 

 

I'm on the "question Brian Daboll" wagon at this point. I think he's a good play designer, but I'm struggling with his game plans. I know the idea behind his scheme is adapting week to week based on opponent but it doesn't seem to be working. Use your bread and butter plays. It's like the guy can't use something if it's on tape already. Browns struggle against the rush and they give Singletary 8 carries? Bah. Gotta get better.