Orlando Tim Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 He has not player yet this year correct? I would not expect him to perform at a second round pick. Maybe a third at most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, I am the egg man said: ......?????? Ryan, not Nancy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I'd give up a first for him if it wasn't for his injuries. He hasn’t played a full season since 2013 and hasn’t played over 800 snaps since 2015. He was also revered by his peers for playing through painful injuries so I don't question his work ethic. He's an elite LT that the Bills could use but you're taking a chance on him so a 2nd round pick is the most I'd give up for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selron Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Does it really help? Where would Dawkins go? RG for Spain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 He has not played this year and with him perusing medical help he may choose to just continue to be unavailable and Bills will have little leverage to make him play. . He was also seeking a new contract and will likely hold out next year without one. Unless the coaching staff has someone who knows him really well it is a hard pass for 2nd and above BONUS BREAKDOWN CAP DETAILS CASH DETAILS YEAR AGE BASE SALARY SIGNING ROSTER OPTION WORKOUT CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH 2015 27 $4,750,000 $2,120,000 $2,000,000 $1,480,388 $250,000 $10,600,388 $34,215,000 $15,111,383 ($15,111,383) 2016 28 $5,161,764 $1,620,000 $218,750 $1,905,880 - $8,906,394 $23,550,000 $14,909,914 ($30,021,297) 2017 29 $11,250,000 $1,620,000 $187,500 $1,905,880 - $14,963,380 $24,350,000 $11,406,250 ($41,427,547) 2018 30 $9,850,000 $1,620,000 $203,125 $1,905,880 - $13,579,005 $18,967,640 $10,053,125 ($51,480,672) 2019 31 $10,850,000 $1,620,000 $203,125 $1,905,880 - $3,525,880 $5,511,760 $11,053,125 ($62,533,797) 2020 32 $12,500,000 - $250,000 $2,000,000 - $14,750,000 $2,000,000 $12,750,000 ($75,283,797) UFA Snap Counts Games Off. Snaps Def. Snaps ST Snaps Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Num Pct Num Pct Num Pct Career 6117 0 202 2012* 24 WAS LT 71 16 16 970 94% 0 0% 73 16% 2013* 25 WAS LT 71 16 16 1142 100% 0 0% 49 10% 2014* 26 WAS LT 71 15 15 877 83% 0 0% 35 8% 2015* 27 WAS T 71 14 14 926 87% 0 0% 40 9% 2016* 28 WAS LT 71 12 12 795 75% 0 0% 3 1% 2017* 29 WAS T 71 10 10 615 61% 0 0% 2 0% 2018* 30 WAS lg/T 71 13 13 792 78% 0 0% 0 0% 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...didn't we sign one of their wounded warriors, a/k/a Murphy who is on the proverbial "TBD Hot List"?.....inherit the balance of his 2019 $10.85 mil tariff and $12.5 mil due in 2020?.....as well as ponying up a pick?...."Alex, I'll take AIN'T HAPPENING for $1,000"........... Alex (Smith) also is not happening. Another wounded veteran in Washington. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 hours ago, HappyDays said: So what would the plan be, start him at LT and kick Dawkins over to guard? Does that move carry enough of a positive value to offense the draft haul this move would take? I'd pass on this. We need a receiver or a 1 tech. Keep building the o-line through the draft. + 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) I'd do it for a first. Hes the best OT in football. Build around Josh. The defense will not hold everyone under 20 points. As much as everyone wants a Wr, me included. Who's available? Trent Williams is available. He plays a premier position and is top in the league at it. Edited October 28, 2019 by Mat68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Not willing to pay the price the Skins will want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschoolfootball1963 Posted October 29, 2019 Author Share Posted October 29, 2019 I think this is who we are targeting. It’s our number one target that available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 I hope he doesn't go to Browns. Chubb running behind Trent is scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Hasn't practiced or played all season and is injury prone. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Let Cleveland give up a 1st round pick for an OL that hasn't played a full season what seems like forever and is 31 years old. No thanks. This isn't a 26 year old Jason Peters that the Eagles were getting when that trade happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reks Ryan Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Selron said: Does it really help? Where would Dawkins go? RG for Spain? How about to RT. That has been the main weak spot on the line this year Edited October 29, 2019 by Reks Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 He can't play QB, can he ? NO to this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 12 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Add in Kerrigan please Rather have Ioniddis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 5 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Rather have Ioniddis I'll take him as well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Unless we flipped an OT for a DT after doing this, I don't know how much of an improvement this would bring the team. DT, WR, mayyyyyyyyyyyyybe LB. That's what we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Skins just put Trent Williams on NFI. Means they don't pay him. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001074244/article/redskins-put-trent-williams-on-nonfootball-injury-list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 27 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Skins just put Trent Williams on NFI. Means they don't pay him. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001074244/article/redskins-put-trent-williams-on-nonfootball-injury-list This is going to be a messy situation. Im sure Washington has its side but this is more horrible Pr for them. Especially if there is any truth them misdiagnosing a potential cancer growth. That franchise sucks under that nerd owner. Shame because it was an elite one. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 I dont know who's worse, James Dolan or Dan Snyder. Awful owners that have driven storied franchises into the ground. No easy feat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 I don’t like the precedent that he, Ramsey, and AJ are setting. This is only going to get worse 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 28 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: I dont know who's worse, James Dolan or Dan Snyder. Awful owners that have driven storied franchises into the ground. No easy feat. The fact that teams in Washington and NYC are a joke is amazing. The Pegulas have made their share of mistakes but they are truly good people who want to give Buffalo a winner. We are very lucky to have them. 28 minutes ago, Virgil said: I don’t like the precedent that he, Ramsey, and AJ are setting. This is only going to get worse Why? Why should players get treated like garbage, get cut when they get hurt with non guaranteed contracts? Why can’t they maximize their value like every person should do when they have leverage? i never get why fans are against players in a sport like football. And only a few players have the leverage to do this. Trent Murphy can’t do that. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Pay him if the price is at all reasonable. We just made the 3rd best C from the AFCW the highest paid C in the league. PFF had it right. He's the 13th best C in the NFL. Bring him in and let a doctor examine him. If he checks out OK, great. At age 31, he should be good for a few more years. I remember the last time we got cheap with a franchise LT. That didn't go very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Why? Why should players get treated like garbage, get cut when they get hurt with non guaranteed contracts? Why can’t they maximize their value like every person should do when they have leverage? i never get why fans are against players in a sport like football. And only a few players have the leverage to do this. Trent Murphy can’t do that. The players sign the contract. They negotiate their own guaranteed money. Cousins deal was completely guaranteed. If they get hurt, they have injury settlement options. There’s plenty of companies who hire you and give you a non-compete clause. Getting fired is part of life. Plus, cutting a player isn’t free for the owners. Guaranteed contracts cripple some of these baseball teams, even if the player injured themselves or just starts playing like crap. They need some form on out clauses. On the other side, the players run the league in the NBA. There needs to be a healthy medium between the two. But I also agree that the players and owners should be protected. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) It's transactions like this that are going to make the next CBA talks after 2020 all the more confrontational. Edited November 8, 2019 by BillsVet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 29 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: The fact that teams in Washington and NYC are a joke is amazing. The Pegulas have made their share of mistakes but they are truly good people who want to give Buffalo a winner. We are very lucky to have them. Why? Why should players get treated like garbage, get cut when they get hurt with non guaranteed contracts? Why can’t they maximize their value like every person should do when they have leverage? i never get why fans are against players in a sport like football. And only a few players have the leverage to do this. Trent Murphy can’t do that. Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: The fact that teams in Washington and NYC are a joke is amazing. The Pegulas have made their share of mistakes but they are truly good people who want to give Buffalo a winner. We are very lucky to have them. Why? Why should players get treated like garbage, get cut when they get hurt with non guaranteed contracts? Why can’t they maximize their value like every person should do when they have leverage? i never get why fans are against players in a sport like football. And only a few players have the leverage to do this. Trent Murphy can’t do that. I think it comes down to team power ties back to franchises better controlling the product. most fans don’t actually care about right vs wrong but if they are stuck watching a bad team because of an ill advised contract Edited November 8, 2019 by NoSaint 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 3:21 PM, Canadian Bills Fan said: Now THIS is something I would support a "get er done" thread about!!!! Wasn’t he unable to put a helmet on due to the tumor? That could be a problem ?♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: This is going to be a messy situation. Im sure Washington has its side but this is more horrible Pr for them. Especially if there is any truth them misdiagnosing a potential cancer growth. That franchise sucks under that nerd owner. Shame because it was an elite one. As bad as it looks for the Redskins, I'm not sure they had much of a choice in the matter. Not sure what the CBA says about the Reserve/NFI list specifically, but teams are constrained by it, and the salary cap, and the needs of fielding a football team (even if only a vague approximation of a competitive team). Unless they wanted to tie up an active roster spot with a player who wasn't playing this season, they probably had very limited options. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 2 hours ago, DC Tom said: Unless they wanted to tie up an active roster spot with a player who wasn't playing this season, they probably had very limited options. Why didn't they trade him before the deadline? Whatever the offers were earlier in the year have now dropped significantly. The franchise is probably the worst in the NFL currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 4 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: I dont know who's worse, James Dolan or Dan Snyder. Awful owners that have driven storied franchises into the ground. No easy feat. Dolan. Piece of crap. I actually gave up being a Knicks fan years ago after growing up as a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 3 hours ago, billsfan_34 said: Wasn’t he unable to put a helmet on due to the tumor? That could be a problem ?♂️ Yeah, that he says they misdiagnosed. This will get ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 37 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: Yeah, that he says they misdiagnosed. This will get ugly. Doctors misdiagnose all the time. Medicine is more of an art than science. For some issues you pay a doctor enough and he will give you whatever diagnose you want; my wife deals with it all year with a member of her staff who is constantly out on medical leave but she knows the worker is working a second job without benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 6 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said: Yeah, that he says they misdiagnosed. This will get ugly. I really feel for the guy- we do not know all the facts but many times where there is smoke there is fire- the evil side of business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conlan58 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 If he gets released, im not opposed to the Bills kicking the tires on him. I dont believe i have ever seen anything about him being a bad teammate or a distraction... if he truly believes the redskins were in the wrong, i cant say i blame him for his handling of the situation. Bring him in, get the full story, do your own physical, and decide where to go from there. No harm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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