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Does McD survive this year?


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36 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

They put themselves in hell with their cuts. We aren't the first team to be up against the cap. I also don't think we have a franchise QB now. I just don't see it the same way as others and that's fair. 

 

Nope. But every situation is different. Hence, my complaint about sweeping generalizations. I don't know if JA is a franchise QB, but I do know he is progressing and showing really promising signs. I also know he was never going to be a day 1 franchise qb, and so an immediate rebuild was never going to happen. For our situation, we are right on track. 

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16 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

To be fair, BB has built up enough equity to have some bad games or stupid decisions and get to keep his job......

This isn't just one bad game, they have been like this all year, but they were playing bad teams and getting really lucky that those games ended up as wins. 

The defense has played well all year.  They got handled yesterday.  Allen has played well in fourth quarters, but needs to be more  consistent.

 

Are there issues?  Sure.  My first question is why Singletary doesn't see the field in the first half.  My second question is what happened to the short passing game that was working well.  But to take one bad game yesterday and inflate it into some crap about how they won't win another game and the coach will get fired is just ridiculous and wishful thinking by a guy around here that gnaws on this like some puppy with a chew toy. 

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7 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Me thinks the Major is either still drunk from last night, or he is a big proponent of day drinking.  I'm not a huge fan of McD, but he is going nowhere.

Like him as a coach but

 

5-11, 6-10 he's getting the can. So some extreme examples of losing out could mean he's gone.

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1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:


bandwagon fans?  Fact is Bills have been here before and fact is they haven’t been able to finish the season and collapse. 
 

so? 

I hear/read this all the time: references to teams of the past. You did it in this post and you did it in your opening post. Please explain how what happened to any team in the past has any relevance to this team. Seriously, I would love to hear any rational, logical explanation - other than it apparently has made your psyche more fragile.

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Just now, billsfan1959 said:

I hear/read this all the time: references to teams of the past. You did it in this post and you did it in your opening post. Please explain how what happened to any team in the past has any relevance to this team. Seriously, I would love to hear any rational, logical explanation - other than it apparently has made your psyche more fragile.

Sure?

 

Do you believe in the Culture thing?  The DNA thing?  

 

Do you not see how after the Bye the "vaunted" defense is getting exposed?

 

So a trend in the City is a trend and that history (collapsing) has spanned how many different coaching staffs?

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1 hour ago, Trogdor said:

How many does he get to hire. Their failure is his responsibility too. 

 

Other teams have managed faster rebuilds. Complete teardowns might turn out to be a mistake. I don't think he loses his job, but I think some of that is because of the schedule. 

 

Ah yes. I forgot about Rick Dennison. So does McD go 3 OC's in 4 years? Or does he stay the course with his offensive staff and QB development? 

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Just now, MAJBobby said:

Sure?

 

Do you believe in the Culture thing?  The DNA thing?  

 

Do you not see how after the Bye the "vaunted" defense is getting exposed?

 

So a trend in the City is a trend and that history (collapsing) has spanned how many different coaching staffs?

In regards to how the team performs this year, how any team in the past performed has absolutely no relevance. None. Period.

 

Please stop.

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43 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:


and if season ends at 5-12 or 6-10 will you be screaming for continuity at the coaching staff 

If the season ends in 5-12 that would truly be a story considering they only play 16 games?.  But in all seriousness, what made you think when you woke up this am, "hey, it would be a good idea to post one of the dumbest things to troll TBD"?  This takes the cake.  The Bills could lose 5 more games and still have a winning season.  He is not going anywhere.

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Bill Belichick didn't with the SB until his 7th season as a head coach.  This includes going 5-11 in his first season as Pats coach the season before he won his first.  Maybe, just maybe, we give the guy that got us to the playoffs with a horrible roster and will most likely get to the playoffs again this year for 2 out of 3 years, a bit of some slack, no?

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2 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

To be fair, BB has built up enough equity to have some bad games or stupid decisions and get to keep his job......

This isn't just one bad game, they have been like this all year, but they were playing bad teams and getting really lucky that those games ended up as wins. 

 

Sure he has. Just pointing out good teams get blown out too.

 

It was a 4 point game mid Q3. Needed a stop and score.

 

Really 4 items swung the game.  Josh’s fumble around the 25, the very uncharacteristic long run allowed on D, and Wentz’s first down runs on third and long to keep a drive going. 

 

This game wasnt a blowout until the defense became a doormat in late Q3 and Q4

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Sure?

 

Do you believe in the Culture thing?  The DNA thing?  

 

Do you not see how after the Bye the "vaunted" defense is getting exposed?

 

So a trend in the City is a trend and that history (collapsing) has spanned how many different coaching staffs?

DNA is from parents.  McD and Beane have different DNA than , say, Buster Ramsey and Harvey Johnson, or any other former HC and GM you'd care to name.  Thus, your thesis is ridiculous.

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1 hour ago, Trogdor said:

We played an insanely injured Philliy team. They've had spans of no tackling at practice over fear that they might get worse. They will struggle to beat any good teams as banged up as they are. Made me wish for Darby opposite White though. Worst trade that we made.

 

We'll see if that's true by how Philly plays running out the season. 

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52 minutes ago, Buffaloed in Pa said:

Its Allen not Dabol.  Open your eyes. He is still raw. Locks on to a receiver

Correct. Daboll is not the problem here. If Allen were ever able to hit the occasional deep throw (Foster was wide open yesterday), the conversation surrounding the production from Daboll's offense would be a lot different. 

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Just now, dave mcbride said:

Correct. Daboll is not the problem here. If Allen were ever able to hit the occasional deep throw (Foster was wide open yesterday), the conversation surrounding the production from Daboll's offense would be a lot different. 

I agree.

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Just like the wins people put too much meaning into the losses.  We are sort of an above average team that has an easy schedule.  Let's see how this goes.  No need to react this strongly after each week.  We suck!  We are top 5!  Just ***** relax. 

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Just now, Seasons1992 said:

 

I applaud you for this. 

 

And you surely did spark things up! 

Appreciate it, I noticed it was not helping me deal with what I went through and just not helping me be the best me I can be so cut it out.  

 

Now if I could ONLY do the same with the Bills (LOL).

 

Yeah I like firing things up a bit on this board from time to time.

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Just now, LabattBlue said:

It's called trolling.  That is what a "Does McD survive the year" thread is.

 

It isnt.  It is a question that I knew would spark debate.  And is a question grounded in History.

 

And many have responded with No, that they could collapse this year and he would still be back

 

Others said He would be but would cost Coordinators their jobs.

 

 

See a TROLL thread would be FIRE McD.

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7 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Correct. Daboll is not the problem here. If Allen were ever able to hit the occasional deep throw (Foster was wide open yesterday), the conversation surrounding the production from Daboll's offense would be a lot different. 

 

He sure was was, and he also inexplicably adjusted to the ball in the air so poorly it doinked into the turf 5 yards behind him while he was staring up into space. 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Mark80 said:

Bill Belichick didn't with the SB until his 7th season as a head coach.  This includes going 5-11 in his first season as Pats coach the season before he won his first.  Maybe, just maybe, we give the guy that got us to the playoffs with a horrible roster and will most likely get to the playoffs again this year for 2 out of 3 years, a bit of some slack, no?

 

The NFL has changed a wee bit since 2001 when BB won his first SB.  The passing game, defense, special teams, everything evolves over time.  The world doesn't stand still. 

 

Now, teams like Philadelphia are winning SB's in their second year under a new HC.  Or, LA who made the SB in their coaches 2nd year.  Or, KC with a redshirt freshman QB making the AFC Championship.  Or, Seattle with a 3rd year QB winning a SB.  Winning doesn't take a 4-5 year plan in the modern NFL.  

 

 

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10 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Correct. Daboll is not the problem here. If Allen were ever able to hit the occasional deep throw (Foster was wide open yesterday), the conversation surrounding the production from Daboll's offense would be a lot different. 

I think Moose Johnson said yesterday that only about 5% of throws, if that, are the long throws.  Allen has struggled with them but I don't think 1 in 20 throw is affecting the offense that much.  I am mystified by two things:

 

1.  Not using Singletary earlier in games

2.  Seemingly abandoning the shorter route trees, crossing patterns, using Beasley as the possession guy, etc.  That was working early in the year, and we've gotten away from it.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

He sure was was, and he also inexplicably adjusted to the ball in the air so poorly it doinked into the turf 5 yards behind him while he was staring up into space. 

 

 

?? - there were two defenders between him and the ball, which was far behind him. 

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1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

Let me start off by saying not a chicken little thread and I know that we are 5-2 and still have a favorable schedule to get to the playoffs. But that also goes to what I am about to say. 
 

Let’s say the Bills do not right the ship. If this season goes like seasons in the past of collapsing down the stretch after a 5-1 now 5-2 start does McD survive?  
 

With all the talk of the DNA and Standards and Process you you think McD survives a Bills collapse?  
 

BTW add another Blowout loss to the McD resume. 

First off, I don't know if one loss requires "righting the ship"

 

Secondly, I wouldn't call an 18 points loss a blowout 

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1 hour ago, Trogdor said:

The lack of Singletary is mind boggling. They run Allen like Tebow instead. Also, where is Sweeney? Why is Lee still given the opportunity to turn out penalties? 

 

I am not surprised at the Singletary touches. He had 10 touches total, the first two games of the season. 10 touches after coming back from injury over 2 games. I think Singelary is a good change of pace back not a workhorse. Sort of a combination between Spiller and McCoy.

 

This issue isn't that DS is not getting touches, the issue is we don't have a great stable of backs or a feature back like Shady. 

 

 

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Just now, dave mcbride said:

?? - there were two defenders between him and the ball, which was far behind him. 

 

Exactly.

 

Has he not played enough football in his life to understand there may need to be an adjustment to a deep ball in 25 mph gales? 

 

I didn’t understand what he was doing at all on that play. 

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