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We had a gunslinger who used to move the ball but would have a bad throw or two picked off. Now we have a guy who's careful with the ball, not throwing picks but now doesn't trust what he sees, takes sacks and fumbles a lot. But at least his QBR is good, right?

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3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

We had a gunslinger who used to move the ball but would have a bad throw or two picked off. Now we have a guy who's careful with the ball, not throwing picks but now doesn't trust what he sees, takes sacks and fumbles a lot. But at least his QBR is good, right?

 

There has to be a middle ground that we are comfortable with.  I think we are still searching for that where you don't want to coach all of his gunslinging ways out of him but you also can't accept some of the dumb plays he makes either.

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9 minutes ago, Troll Toll said:

Allen’s game right now works only if the defense isn’t getting trounced. I think the bigger limiting factor for Allen is that receivers don’t do a good job getting open and they drop way too many passes that hit both hands.


It also works better if he doesn’t fumble before the half.

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19 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

We had a gunslinger who used to move the ball but would have a bad throw or two picked off. Now we have a guy who's careful with the ball, not throwing picks but now doesn't trust what he sees, takes sacks and fumbles a lot. But at least his QBR is good, right?

Some truth here. playing a team with a decimated outside corner position, so few shots taken despite having decent time to throw.

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5 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said:

You mean calling a designed qb sweep from your own 20 under 2 minutes is a bad idea????

 

How much are we paying these people again...

 

There's nothing wrong with a power run in a short yardage situation. The issue is that Allen fumbled it, and as he has shown since the moment he became a starter, he's capable of doing that on any play.

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Agreed with OP.  The other frustrating thing vs. last year is it appears he is not staying in the pocket and stepping in and throwing it.  I was hopeful with Morse, Spain, & Feliciano that the pocket would be there moreso than last year's crew.  Have the tackles push the defenders wide and deep and step in and chuck it.  The other thing is where are the TE posts plays?

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11 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:


It also works better if he doesn’t fumble before the half.

 

2 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

 

There's nothing wrong with a power run in a short yardage situation. The issue is that Allen fumbled it, and as he has shown since the moment he became a starter, he's capable of doing that on any play.

If Foster comes back to the ball on that deep shot he either draws PI or makes a play on the ball and we aren't on our side of the field with Daboll calling stupid plays. Instead he lets the ball drop a yard behind him. 

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3 minutes ago, H2o said:

 

If Foster comes back to the ball on that deep shot he either draws PI or makes a play on the ball and we aren't on our side of the field with Daboll calling stupid plays. Instead he lets the ball drop a yard behind him. 


I was thinking the same thing on that play. I’m not sure why he was active over McKenzie today, seems to me with the weather McKenzies skill set would of been more helpful. 

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36 minutes ago, papazoid said:

yesterday is what happens when an elite defense plays mediocre and a mediocre offense plays mediocre.

 

the defense has bailed this team out all year against bottom feeders. 

Not elite......

 

And yes the Bills refuse to see what they have on Offense can do based on how conservative they are.

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45 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

We had a gunslinger who used to move the ball but would have a bad throw or two picked off. Now we have a guy who's careful with the ball, not throwing picks but now doesn't trust what he sees, takes sacks and fumbles a lot. But at least his QBR is good, right?

 O coordinator likes to call frequent QB runs too.  Daboll uses it way too frequently and has zero confidence in his running backs.  

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46 minutes ago, Troll Toll said:

Allen’s game right now works only if the defense isn’t getting trounced. I think the bigger limiting factor for Allen is that receivers don’t do a good job getting open and they drop way too many passes that hit both hands.

Also Allen at times flat out refuses to throw to open receivers.

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34 minutes ago, papazoid said:

yesterday is what happens when an elite defense plays mediocre and a mediocre offense plays mediocre.

 

the defense has bailed this team out all year against bottom feeders. 

 

Is the Bills defense truly an elite defense?   They're good but they haven't shown that they're on the same level as the Pats or Niners, both of which dominate games.

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59 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

We had a gunslinger who used to move the ball but would have a bad throw or two picked off. Now we have a guy who's careful with the ball, not throwing picks but now doesn't trust what he sees, takes sacks and fumbles a lot. But at least his QBR is good, right?

 

Put the crack pipe down and step away from the table!!    ;)  ;)  

 

Come on Promo.  The two are nothing alike.   Josh has or will accomplish more by the end of this season than TT did in 3 full seasons. 

 

Josh's 4th QTR stats (that were) leading the NFL are not from protecting a lead, but gaining a lead and victories. 

 

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I like Allen. I do think he is playing way too conservative. I think you have to adjust with the flow of the game, meaning when the defense is playing well, don't put them in bad spots. When it's clear they don't have it, you have to take a few shots. 

 

That said, in terms of protection, when teams blitz we are having a really tough time seeing it and picking it up. On the flip side, when teams rush four and drop 7 into coverage, no one is open. Establishing the run game helps both of those situations, but I have to say that I pin all of this on the coaching. Sometimes this team looks unprepared and that's what they looked like yesterday. 

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1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

We had a gunslinger who used to move the ball but would have a bad throw or two picked off. Now we have a guy who's careful with the ball, not throwing picks but now doesn't trust what he sees, takes sacks and fumbles a lot. But at least his QBR is good, right?

 

I'm sure that your rant is backed up by the stats, right?

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2 minutes ago, GG said:

 

I'm sure that your rant is backed up by the stats, right?

Yeah. Allen wasn’t good last year. Now he is a  slightly different version of good this year. 

 

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I didn't see that this week.

 

Problem must be solved...

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36 minutes ago, H2o said:

 

If Foster comes back to the ball on that deep shot he either draws PI or makes a play on the ball and we aren't on our side of the field with Daboll calling stupid plays. Instead he lets the ball drop a yard behind him. 

If he comes back to a bad pass, maybe we do get a call but,too many times here I see "if the receiver helps Josh...". Josh had him open and all season has missed wide open receivers on the deep ball. Two games against good teams and Josh is under 50%. In at least 3 of the others, he has to make a comeback because he put us in a position to have to come back. Three fumbles by Allen. That makes eight this year and even though only 2 were recovered the other 6 most likely leads to loss of yardage. Throw in 7 picks and that's 9 turnovers in 7 games. He's getting better imo, but glossing over his problems by blaming the wr's just doesn't make sense. 

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Daboll needs to go. Allen can't find the open receiver because he's too busy performing two or three fake handoffs and then rolling out before he even gets to look downfield. The play design is absolute trash. I watch a lot of college and NFL football and I really struggle to recall an offense so up it's own ass with motions, fakes, etc. I will say, the Browns like that stuff too and you see what their record is and how badly Baker has struggled this year.

 

It's the NFL, you aren't fooling anyone with all the window dressing.

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Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

If you think Allen's been the issue the past couple of weeks, you're an idiot.

 

 

 

Hes averaging less than 60% completion and less than 200 yards per game. In 2019 that’s not good. 

 

But this isn’t a pie. Allen can be bad, and the defense can play poorly. They don’t take away from each other. They’re not mutually exclusive. 

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18 minutes ago, Golden*Wheels said:

 

I wish I could see more of the field on TV....it sure SEEMS that at times he does have a lot of time to scan the field...to absolutely no result.

 

 

 

14 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

I’ve thought the coaches have him all screwed up for several weeks now.  I have no problem throwing the ball away when under pressure, but Allen is doing it when he still has time to make something out of a play when his first option doesn’t work out. 

 

3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I didn't see that this week.

 

I think he's much more tentative. He's doing what coaches want him to, stay in the pocket, avoid picks. But he's not seeing open receivers or he's not trusting what he sees.

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