PromoTheRobot Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 We had a gunslinger who used to move the ball but would have a bad throw or two picked off. Now we have a guy who's careful with the ball, not throwing picks but now doesn't trust what he sees, takes sacks and fumbles a lot. But at least his QBR is good, right? 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: We had a gunslinger who used to move the ball but would have a bad throw or two picked off. Now we have a guy who's careful with the ball, not throwing picks but now doesn't trust what he sees, takes sacks and fumbles a lot. But at least his QBR is good, right? There has to be a middle ground that we are comfortable with. I think we are still searching for that where you don't want to coach all of his gunslinging ways out of him but you also can't accept some of the dumb plays he makes either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Toll Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Allen’s game right now works only if the defense isn’t getting trounced. I think the bigger limiting factor for Allen is that receivers don’t do a good job getting open and they drop way too many passes that hit both hands. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 yesterday is what happens when an elite defense plays mediocre and a mediocre offense plays mediocre. the defense has bailed this team out all year against bottom feeders. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, Troll Toll said: Allen’s game right now works only if the defense isn’t getting trounced. I think the bigger limiting factor for Allen is that receivers don’t do a good job getting open and they drop way too many passes that hit both hands. It also works better if he doesn’t fumble before the half. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said: It also works better if he doesn’t fumble before the half. You mean calling a designed qb sweep from your own 20 under 2 minutes is a bad idea???? How much are we paying these people again... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 19 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: We had a gunslinger who used to move the ball but would have a bad throw or two picked off. Now we have a guy who's careful with the ball, not throwing picks but now doesn't trust what he sees, takes sacks and fumbles a lot. But at least his QBR is good, right? Some truth here. playing a team with a decimated outside corner position, so few shots taken despite having decent time to throw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said: You mean calling a designed qb sweep from your own 20 under 2 minutes is a bad idea???? How much are we paying these people again... There's nothing wrong with a power run in a short yardage situation. The issue is that Allen fumbled it, and as he has shown since the moment he became a starter, he's capable of doing that on any play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideRightRevenge Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Agreed with OP. The other frustrating thing vs. last year is it appears he is not staying in the pocket and stepping in and throwing it. I was hopeful with Morse, Spain, & Feliciano that the pocket would be there moreso than last year's crew. Have the tackles push the defenders wide and deep and step in and chuck it. The other thing is where are the TE posts plays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said: It also works better if he doesn’t fumble before the half. 2 minutes ago, DCOrange said: There's nothing wrong with a power run in a short yardage situation. The issue is that Allen fumbled it, and as he has shown since the moment he became a starter, he's capable of doing that on any play. If Foster comes back to the ball on that deep shot he either draws PI or makes a play on the ball and we aren't on our side of the field with Daboll calling stupid plays. Instead he lets the ball drop a yard behind him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, H2o said: If Foster comes back to the ball on that deep shot he either draws PI or makes a play on the ball and we aren't on our side of the field with Daboll calling stupid plays. Instead he lets the ball drop a yard behind him. I was thinking the same thing on that play. I’m not sure why he was active over McKenzie today, seems to me with the weather McKenzies skill set would of been more helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 36 minutes ago, papazoid said: yesterday is what happens when an elite defense plays mediocre and a mediocre offense plays mediocre. the defense has bailed this team out all year against bottom feeders. Not elite...... And yes the Bills refuse to see what they have on Offense can do based on how conservative they are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 45 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: We had a gunslinger who used to move the ball but would have a bad throw or two picked off. Now we have a guy who's careful with the ball, not throwing picks but now doesn't trust what he sees, takes sacks and fumbles a lot. But at least his QBR is good, right? O coordinator likes to call frequent QB runs too. Daboll uses it way too frequently and has zero confidence in his running backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) Josh Allen needs a running game. Attn: Brian Doughball. The Bills are not the Patriots. Quit trying to get to get your QB killed. He is not a running back. Edited October 28, 2019 by bmur66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 46 minutes ago, Troll Toll said: Allen’s game right now works only if the defense isn’t getting trounced. I think the bigger limiting factor for Allen is that receivers don’t do a good job getting open and they drop way too many passes that hit both hands. Also Allen at times flat out refuses to throw to open receivers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Watkins, Woods, Goodwin > Brown and jags 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Also Allen at times flat out refuses to throw to open receivers. I wish I could see more of the field on TV....it sure SEEMS that at times he does have a lot of time to scan the field...to absolutely no result. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 34 minutes ago, papazoid said: yesterday is what happens when an elite defense plays mediocre and a mediocre offense plays mediocre. the defense has bailed this team out all year against bottom feeders. Is the Bills defense truly an elite defense? They're good but they haven't shown that they're on the same level as the Pats or Niners, both of which dominate games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 It was pouring rain and windy... Not exactly good conditions for throwing. This was a trenches game and we got beat on both sides, simple as that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 59 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: We had a gunslinger who used to move the ball but would have a bad throw or two picked off. Now we have a guy who's careful with the ball, not throwing picks but now doesn't trust what he sees, takes sacks and fumbles a lot. But at least his QBR is good, right? Put the crack pipe down and step away from the table!! Come on Promo. The two are nothing alike. Josh has or will accomplish more by the end of this season than TT did in 3 full seasons. Josh's 4th QTR stats (that were) leading the NFL are not from protecting a lead, but gaining a lead and victories. Edited October 28, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I’ve thought the coaches have him all screwed up for several weeks now. I have no problem throwing the ball away when under pressure, but Allen is doing it when he still has time to make something out of a play when his first option doesn’t work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I like Allen. I do think he is playing way too conservative. I think you have to adjust with the flow of the game, meaning when the defense is playing well, don't put them in bad spots. When it's clear they don't have it, you have to take a few shots. That said, in terms of protection, when teams blitz we are having a really tough time seeing it and picking it up. On the flip side, when teams rush four and drop 7 into coverage, no one is open. Establishing the run game helps both of those situations, but I have to say that I pin all of this on the coaching. Sometimes this team looks unprepared and that's what they looked like yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Not ignoring the obvious that each team has to be approached differently. Is Dabol trying too hard to emulate Belicheat and not stick to a solid game plan. Every week it's a new plan for a new team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, dneveu said: It was pouring rain and windy... Not exactly good conditions for throwing. This was a trenches game and we got beat on both sides, simple as that. Carson Wentz completed 70% of his passes in those same conditions.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 59 minutes ago, papazoid said: yesterday is what happens when an elite defense plays mediocre and a mediocre offense plays mediocre. the defense has bailed this team out all year against bottom feeders. & yet you call them elite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: We had a gunslinger who used to move the ball but would have a bad throw or two picked off. Now we have a guy who's careful with the ball, not throwing picks but now doesn't trust what he sees, takes sacks and fumbles a lot. But at least his QBR is good, right? I'm sure that your rant is backed up by the stats, right? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 17 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Also Allen at times flat out refuses to throw to open receivers. I didn't see that this week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, GG said: I'm sure that your rant is backed up by the stats, right? Yeah. Allen wasn’t good last year. Now he is a slightly different version of good this year. 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: I didn't see that this week. Problem must be solved... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 36 minutes ago, H2o said: If Foster comes back to the ball on that deep shot he either draws PI or makes a play on the ball and we aren't on our side of the field with Daboll calling stupid plays. Instead he lets the ball drop a yard behind him. If he comes back to a bad pass, maybe we do get a call but,too many times here I see "if the receiver helps Josh...". Josh had him open and all season has missed wide open receivers on the deep ball. Two games against good teams and Josh is under 50%. In at least 3 of the others, he has to make a comeback because he put us in a position to have to come back. Three fumbles by Allen. That makes eight this year and even though only 2 were recovered the other 6 most likely leads to loss of yardage. Throw in 7 picks and that's 9 turnovers in 7 games. He's getting better imo, but glossing over his problems by blaming the wr's just doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Mango said: Yeah. Allen wasn’t good last year. Now he is a slightly different version of good this year. Problem must be solved... If you think Allen's been the issue the past couple of weeks, you're an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Mango said: Yeah. Allen wasn’t good last year. Now he is a slightly different version of good this year. Promo is on a roll, let's see where this goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Daboll needs to go. Allen can't find the open receiver because he's too busy performing two or three fake handoffs and then rolling out before he even gets to look downfield. The play design is absolute trash. I watch a lot of college and NFL football and I really struggle to recall an offense so up it's own ass with motions, fakes, etc. I will say, the Browns like that stuff too and you see what their record is and how badly Baker has struggled this year. It's the NFL, you aren't fooling anyone with all the window dressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, GG said: Promo is on a roll, let's see where this goes. Quality content right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: If you think Allen's been the issue the past couple of weeks, you're an idiot. Hes averaging less than 60% completion and less than 200 yards per game. In 2019 that’s not good. But this isn’t a pie. Allen can be bad, and the defense can play poorly. They don’t take away from each other. They’re not mutually exclusive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 28, 2019 Author Share Posted October 28, 2019 18 minutes ago, Golden*Wheels said: I wish I could see more of the field on TV....it sure SEEMS that at times he does have a lot of time to scan the field...to absolutely no result. 14 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: I’ve thought the coaches have him all screwed up for several weeks now. I have no problem throwing the ball away when under pressure, but Allen is doing it when he still has time to make something out of a play when his first option doesn’t work out. 3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: I didn't see that this week. I think he's much more tentative. He's doing what coaches want him to, stay in the pocket, avoid picks. But he's not seeing open receivers or he's not trusting what he sees. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I think the OP is too unsupported to sustain an independent thread. The topics under discussion duplicate the Postgame and other recent threads 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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