Bills' pass : run ratio

[Simon]

Before that final drive when they went to clock-killing mode, I think the Bills pass:run ration was close to 3 : 1.

Brian Daboll really needs to recognize what kind of defense he's got complimenting him and start approaching his play-calling duties a little less tactically and a little more strategically.

There's no reason your 23yr old wet-behind-the-ears QB needs to be dropping back 40 times in a game in which you haven't played from behind for a single second. I think Coach needs to trust his defense and take pressure off his OLine by calling games a bit more conservatively.

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Definitely need to be running more, in this game and in general. Allen is still too green to be Aaron Rodgers (who hasnt done much without a run game either)

 

 

 

 

[TroutDog]

I believe when Singletary comes back you’ll see more running. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, Simon said:

Before that final drive when they went to clock-killing mode, I think the Bills pass:run ration was close to 3 : 1.

Brian Daboll really needs to recognize what kind of defense he's got complimenting him and start approaching his play-calling duties a little less tactically and a little more strategically.

There's no reason your 23yr old wet-behind-the-ears QB needs to be dropping back 40 times in a game in which you haven't played from behind for a single second. I think Coach needs to trust his defense and take pressure off his OLine by calling games a bit more conservatively.

 

Agreed, but to achieve that he needs more depth at running back.  He’s a bit afraid to overload Gore and who else does he got?

[nedboy7]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Agreed, but to achieve that he needs more depth at running back.  He’s a bit afraid to overload Gore and who else does he got?

 

One injury shouldn't put us in this position. 

[Billsfan1972]

This offence still is terrible.  With a good running attack & good QB'ing they need have tp start scoring more.

 

Daboll is still not winning the coaching battle.

[Just Joshin']

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Agreed, but to achieve that he needs more depth at running back.  He’s a bit afraid to overload Gore and who else does he got?

Gore was fresh at the end and it paid off.  Not sure that was the strategy but it worked.

[GreggTX]

I couldn't agree more. Frank Gore was excellent and Yeldon didn't fumble. Hopefully Singletary will be 100% before the Philly game. I've been impressed what we've been able to achieve with even a backup OL at several positions. It isn't always pretty, but they can still grind out a few tough yards.

 

We really need to run the ball more, though. If you aren't scoring, at least move the chains and eat up the clock to make it easier on your defense. Besides, you can wear down a defense like that.  I was extremely pleased at how well we ran the ball at the end of the game to close it out. Gore was excellent when it counted most.

Edited October 6, 2019 by GreggTX

[Matt_In_NH]

I disagree.  The bills run the ball a high percentage of the time when you compare to the nfl.   This offense is a modern nfl offense for the first time in line forever.   They need to clean up the mistakes by the qb and they will be pretty good.  

[PromoTheRobot]

This was not the defense to try to run against. They played it right.

[Phil The Thrill]

9 minutes ago, Simon said:

Before that final drive when they went to clock-killing mode, I think the Bills pass:run ration was close to 3 : 1.

Brian Daboll really needs to recognize what kind of defense he's got complimenting him and start approaching his play-calling duties a little less tactically and a little more strategically.

There's no reason your 23yr old wet-behind-the-ears QB needs to be dropping back 40 times in a game in which you haven't played from behind for a single second. I think Coach needs to trust his defense and take pressure off his OLine by calling games a bit more conservatively.

 

 

I do think they can call more run plays - especially when it seems that the strength of their line is blocking for the run and not the pass.

 

But I like how Daboll is giving Allen every chance to throw the football.  The worst thing he could do would be to have Allen throw 15-20 passes and baby Josh.  We need to see what he has as a passer and whether he’s the QB of the future.  You can’t do that if you have him throw 20 passes a game.

3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

This offence still is terrible.  With a good running attack & good QB'ing they need have tp start scoring more.

 

Daboll is still not winning the coaching battle.

They aren’t scoring but if you look at the performance they routinely out gain opponents of offense.  They aren’t scoring because of a QB who is turning the ball over a LOT.

[Teddy KGB]

3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

This was not the defense to try to run against. They played it right.

 

What about the end of the game when they ran it on them when they knew it was coming? 

 

What is the basis of your post ? 

[1ManRaid]

5 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

I couldn't agree more. Frank Gore was excellent and Yeldon didn't fumble. Hopefully Singletary will be 100% before the Philly game. I've been impressed what we've been able to achieve with even a backup OL at several positions. It isn't always pretty, but they can still grind out a few tough yards.

 

We really need to run the ball more, though. If you aren't scoring, at least move the chains and eat up the clock to make it easier on your defense. Besides, you can wear down a defense like that.  I was extremely pleased at how well we ran the ball at the end of the game to close it out. Gore was excellent when it counted most.

Gore wasn't excellent till the last drive of the game, salvaging his yards per carry average with 10+ yard runs.

Just now, Teddy KGB said:

 

What about the end of the game when they ran it on them when they knew it was coming? 

 

What is the basis of your post ? 

Fluke, different playcalling, o-line finally deciding to step up, whatever.  What's YOUR point?

[Simon]

3 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

40 times?  Last I counted it was 32, and 2 of those were basically handoffs to sweeping receivers.

 

The box score shows Allen with 10 carries and I can't imagine more than a couple of them were designed as runs with him coming off a concussion.

[Teddy KGB]

2 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

Fluke, different playcalling, o-line finally deciding to step up, whatever.  What's YOUR point?

 

Ahhhh a fluke ???.     The defense rests your honor ??‍♂️

[vincec]

13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Agreed, but to achieve that he needs more depth at running back.  He’s a bit afraid to overload Gore and who else does he got?

I agree, but whose fault is that? There were plenty of other RBs that he could have on the roster. Murphy for example. Instead, they have 6 WRs active.

[Ta111]

Just now, vincec said:

I agree, but whose fault is that? There were plenty of other RBs that he could have on the roster. Murphy for example. Instead, they have 6 WRs active.

And yet we won. Who would have thought?

[Lurker]

Teams are over-playing the run, daring Allen to be the difference maker.   

 

I like that Daboll has enough confidence in Josh to say, "OK, have it your way.  We'll beat you through the air"

[Kelly the Dog]

10 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

The box score shows Allen with 10 carries and I can't imagine more than a couple of them were designed as runs with him coming off a concussion.

Two were sneaks, one was a designed run, and a couple were kneel downs at the end I think. 

 

We had mostly zero blocking in the run game until the last drive, which was huge. But it was mostly awful before the last three minutes. 

[Simon]

3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Two were sneaks, one was a designed run, and a couple were kneel downs at the end I think. 

 

We had mostly zero blocking in the run game until the last drive, which was huge. But it was mostly awful before the last three minutes. 

 

Thanks man, didn't see the game today.

35 dropbacks looks a little better than 40.

[Paulus]

More people who "know better." 

 

They want to run the ball more, until they want the Bills to pass the ball more. 

 

4-1 with a strong, stout defense. These opinion threads should be kept in the post-game thread.

[Simon]

3 minutes ago, Paulus said:

More people who "know better." 

 

They want to run the ball more, until they want the Bills to pass the ball more. 

 

4-1 with a strong, stout defense. These opinion threads should be kept in the post-game thread.

 

Thank you for your invaluable contribution to the subject

[dakrider]

Bills Offense hasn't played a 4 quarter game this year, that includes the play calling.  Bills D plays 4 quarters every game. 

[Kelly the Dog]

4 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Thanks man, didn't see the game today.

35 dropbacks looks a little better than 40.

With five minutes to go up by seven he called three passes in a row and we only spent one minute and got two yards. 

[Paulus]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

Thank you for your invaluable contribution to the subject

Yeah, when running the clock out, make sure to run the ball... Science!

[Boca BIlls]

43 minutes ago, Simon said:

Before that final drive when they went to clock-killing mode, I think the Bills pass:run ration was close to 3 : 1.

Brian Daboll really needs to recognize what kind of defense he's got complimenting him and start approaching his play-calling duties a little less tactically and a little more strategically.

There's no reason your 23yr old wet-behind-the-ears QB needs to be dropping back 40 times in a game in which you haven't played from behind for a single second. I think Coach needs to trust his defense and take pressure off his OLine by calling games a bit more conservatively.

 

 

Nah I like the way he is calling plays. Too many times we complained about having them run too much... now you want them to run.

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, Paulus said:

Yeah, when running the clock out, make sure to run the ball... Science!

We didn't the series before. 

[Simon]

3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

With five minutes to go up by seven he called three passes in a row and we only spent one minute and got two yards. 

 

Yeah, it's probably just as well I didn't see that or I may have eaten my television.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said:

Too many times we complained about having them run too much... now you want them to run.

 

Oh, did "we"?

[MDH]

Totally agree Simon, they need a better ratio.

 

That said, that last drive was the most impressive they’ve had all season. I f’n loved them running the ball right down their throats when they knew the run was coming. And doing it with starters at only 2 spots on the OL in the game.

 

It was a thing of beauty.

Edited October 6, 2019 by MDH

[Big Turk]

Analytics shows it is almost never a better choice to run instead of pass based on many factors.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Can’t disagree more 

 

we’ve been watching this team run the ball, and do it relatively well. We have nothing to show for it.

 

so many fans, myself included, have been banging the table for the bills to open it up and spread the ball around via the pass game. 

 

I want to see 40 attempts a game. 

[Simon]

3 minutes ago, MDH said:

 

 

That said, that last drive was the most impressive they’ve had all season. I f’n loved them running the Bills right down their throats when they knew the run was coming. And doing it with starters at only 2 spots on the OL in the game.

 

It was a thing of beauty.

 

That ***** absolutely fires me up.

There are few things better in football than standing on a sideline watching your offense repeatedly punch people in the face late in a game.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

27 minutes ago, vincec said:

I agree, but whose fault is that? There were plenty of other RBs that he could have on the roster. Murphy for example. Instead, they have 6 WRs active.

 

Well, I would assume when it comes to player personnel decisions, Daboll is down at #3 or #4 on the decision-making list.

 

Whose fault do you think it is?

[vincec]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well, I would assume when it comes to player personnel decisions, Daboll is down at #3 or #4 on the decision-making list.

 

Whose fault do you think it is?

I think it's the coaching staff. Zay Jones is sitting on the bench doing nothing and you can't call a run when you want because you don't want your RB to get tired? That doesn't sound like good planning to me.

[HappyDays]

Honestly that's how you run an offense in 2019. I'm very happy with our pass to run ratio. Especially with Singletary out we are going to have to pass win. We don't need to hide Allen, he can handle it.

[Wayne Cubed]

I’m sorry I disagree. Daboll, besides a few bad calls, called a really good game. This Titans defense is strong up the middle. The Bills only reliable back, Gore, runs up the middle. They have very good DT, ILBs and a All Pro Safety. The weakness for the Titans is/was the edges. 
 

Daboll called a game that allowed Allen to gain some confidence back. He took what the defense gave him.

[Shortchaz]

I’m guessing there is some long-term strategy at play here. Work on the passing game now (weather/young Qb/new receivers) so that it’s better when we need it. 

[HappyDays]

18 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

Analytics shows it is almost never a better choice to run instead of pass based on many factors.

 

Correct. Especially on 1st down.

 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/you-called-a-run-on-first-down-youre-already-screwed/

 

On first down, passing will net you at least 5 yards (enough to make the play a success) 47 percent of the time, while running the ball will get you the same result just 32.8 percent of the time, 14.2 percentage points less often.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

57 minutes ago, mattynh said:

I disagree.  The bills run the ball a high percentage of the time when you compare to the nfl.   This offense is a modern nfl offense for the first time in line forever.   They need to clean up the mistakes by the qb and they will be pretty good.  

This is the correct answer. Why anyone would want to take a step back is beyond me. You need to pass to win in this league.

[Bangarang]

I’m fine with throwing the ball. It’s 2019 and we have a QB capable of making great things happen with his arm. Let him sling the rock. We just suffered through several years of watching Tyrod and a run based offense. I don’t want to go back to that.

Edited October 6, 2019 by Bangarang