Week 4: Pats (-7) @ Bills!!

[atlbillsfan1975]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Except ...  oh noes!

 

He Is an elitist and very arrogant. Barstool is pretty good, but Portnoy just annoys me. 

[Success]

It always feels a little like having a dentist’s appointment on a Sunday.

[YoloinOhio]

10 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

He Is an elitist and very arrogant. Barstool is pretty good, but Portnoy just annoys me. 

He’s a massive D-bag. I do enjoy me some “Pardon My Take” from time to time. 

[Orlando Tim]

3 hours ago, Chris66 said:

Not going to get much play on the pats at -365. I would rather take the spread.

I actually do not know what the -365 line is- does it mean you get 365 if Bills win straight up on a 100 bet 

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I actually do not know what the -365 line is- does it mean you get 365 if Bills win straight up on a 100 bet 

It means you have to bet $365 to win $100 on a Patriots victory

[Orlando Tim]

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

It means you have to bet $365 to win $100 on a Patriots victory

That on a 7 pt line? That seems out of line but I do not bet so what do I know.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

That on a 7 pt line? That seems out of line but I do not bet so what do I know.

I very much agree with you which is why I now have the equivalent of a small sedan on the Bills as of this afternoon

 

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[ShakAttack]

I’m probably one of the few that thinks this way but I’m sure I’m not the only one! I am dreading this game because every time we ever have something good going for us, we play the Pats, they destroy us AND leave us with a roster decimated with injuries which effectively complicates the rest of our season and we are usually left a shell of the team that we were prior to playing them. 

 

So if you ask me, they can have the win. With our schedule I will take 3-1 all day! BUT it’s the injuries I worry about. If we come out of this game unscathed that’s a win for me.

 

Heck I’d even go as far as saying let the evil genius game plan against Allen’s strengths and weaknesses all week long and then trot Barkley out there on Sunday. Throw a wrench in their game plan. Probably gives us a slightly better chance of pulling off the miracle honestly. And that’s no disrespect to Allen as much as it is just knowing their defense is lights out Belichik is a genius that will expose Allen’s weaknesses all day.......... but he wouldn’t be expecting Matt!

[Warren Zevon]

McDermott has built this defense to beat the Patriots. The Pats haven't seen a defense as close to as fast as the Bills this year. I'm confident about Sunday and am leaning toward picking the Bills. I think they keep the Pats under 22 points, but I'm not sure the offense is going to be able to put up that many on the Pats.

[LSHMEAB]

That line is telling you the "powers that be" believe the Bills have a decent chance of winning this game. My main concern is getting in Brady's face. Pass rush has been a little lackluster, but if not now, when? I'm feeling impatient.

[Dr.Sack]

New England tries to play against your greatest strength by exploiting your greatest weakness. On offense that means they will employ a power set (extra OL TE sets) and try to run the ball down our throats. After that barrage and early on they will try to gas our D by going no huddle and spreading us out and playing fast with tempo. 

 

Against our offense Belichick will sell out against the run & try to force Allen & our offense into a lot of 3rd and long. He will deploy a lot of zone blitzes and force Allen into holding the ball and doubting the coverage he’s seeing. 

 

Bottomline on defense is we need to do what we do best and invite NE to pass. The key will be playing a lot of underneath zone and knocking the hell out of NE WRs on crossing routes if Brady dares to throw underneath. Edelman got banged up pretty good and may or may not play. Flooding the short zones with heavy coverage will force Brady into holding the ball longer than he’d like & search deeper for WRs down field. He may connect on a few passes but that is okay, provided we hit him as he releases the ball. 

 

On offense we need to find a way to get 40 carries and 200 yards rushing, milking the clock & finishing our drives with points. NEs defense is built to play down hill & attack. By committing to the run we will effectively wear down the front 7 & win the physical battles on each front. 

 

If we control the ball 35+ minutes, limit our mistakes to 1 TO or less, and force Brady to hold the ball by taking away his bread and butter we can rattle him with big hits and shake him. Brady was 0-5 last year when his team failed to run for over 96 yards. NE can be beat but it takes a total team effort, and an opportunistic defense that can force Brady off the field.  

 

 

[Big Turk]

What kind of boneheaded play was that?? I mean are you an idiot sticking the ball out there like that? Are players that dumb they don't know the only time you can do that is at the goal line when the ball crossing the line immediately signals the play dead??

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

Marshall Newhouse is protecting the Goat’s backside... the same Marshall Newhouse Buffalo traded last year to Carolina for a “late round conditional 2021 draft pick”.  He couldn’t crack last year’s wretched OL here in Buffalo.

This game is going to be an extremely close, defensive battle.  

 

Under, Bills +7.

 

[Pabstblueribbon]

25 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

Marshall Newhouse is protecting the Goat’s backside... the same Marshall Newhouse Buffalo traded last year to Carolina for a “late round conditional 2021 draft pick”.  He couldn’t crack last year’s wretched OL here in Buffalo.

This game is going to be an extremely close, defensive battle.  

 

Under, Bills +7.

 

Yeah, the Pats Oline is NOT good at this stage. Of course it's been disguised by Bradys quick release and overall caliber of opponent thus far. Michele, the main "between the tackles" runner is averaging something like 2.5 yards per carry. They dont scare me running the ball up the middle. I hope to see Milano flying around the field on the inevitable white/Burkhead dump-offs/screens. 

[Cmdjr85]

You do realize alot of the lineman the patriots have had over the years are not that great they just benifit from scars coaching. He gets them to play. Go back to 2015 when he was gone and the line was a joke solder wasnt worth a damn

[Chandler#81]

15 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

Then there is but one solution!   Kick Tom Brady'sASS!!!  

 

 

Seems he doesn't talk to or about anyone on the team as well!  

 

Accused Sexual offender (/Rapists,) Serial murderers, drug dealers and drug users, international sex ring operators, spies, cheating ball boys, refusal to obey/phone breakers

Fixed it for you. The HOF gamut of the NE Pats* Championship* run.

[HappyDays]

If Singletary plays we have a chance. If he doesn't I don't think we're ready to compete with the Patriots yet. We need every starter on offense playing their best game.

[Pabstblueribbon]

 

17 minutes ago, Cmdjr85 said:

You do realize alot of the lineman the patriots have had over the years are not that great they just benifit from scars coaching. He gets them to play. Go back to 2015 when he was gone and the line was a joke solder wasnt worth a damn

 

They definitely have a knack for maximizing the talent they have. I was just shocked when I saw Michele's ypc so far.  His longest rush of the year is only 12 yards. Just seems like they're not opening lanes this year and he cant get beyond the D-line in power running situations. I dont expect to see a Brady Sack-a-thon but I think Edmunds and our front 4 hold up and we arent going to be gashed up the middle for 10-14 yards at a clip either.  

[HappyDays]

15 hours ago, BillsFanSD said:

So while a generic 3-0 team might make the playoffs 73.8% of the time, our chances of making the playoffs are significantly lower than that until we're able to compete for a division title.

 

We have a 2 game lead for the last wildcard spot, at worst. We are in the driver's seat and have 5 games against the Dolphins, Redskins, Jets, and Steelers. If we win those 5 games and 2 more (Browns, Broncos, Ravens, Titans, Eagles - pick 2) some 1-2 team will have to go 8-5 the rest of the way to match our 10-6 record. 

 

I'll agree 74% is too high for our chances but we are in a very good position.

[HappyDays]

14 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

If the Bills want to score consistent points against NE, they're going to have to hit big plays to their backs and TEs early and often and force NE to adjust.

 

Right, which is why we really need Singletary in this one. We aren't going to hit big plays throwing check downs to Frank Gore and TJ Yeldon. This should be the game where we showcase Singletary. Unfortunately I think he will be limited at best, and our offense will be fairly one dimensional. I'd love to be wrong though.

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, Success said:

It always feels a little like having a dentist’s appointment on a Sunday.

 

This is actually the first game I'm not stressed about at all. I don't feel that a loss this weekend hurts our playoff chances. The first 3 games I thought were extremely important in building a lead for the wildcard spot and we took care of business. This game will be a good test for where the Bills stand but I'm not nervous. If 2 of 6 losses come against the Patriots I'll still be happy.

[Franco_92]

3 hours ago, BobBelcher said:

I’m probably one of the few that thinks this way but I’m sure I’m not the only one! I am dreading this game because every time we ever have something good going for us, we play the Pats, they destroy us AND leave us with a roster decimated with injuries which effectively complicates the rest of our season and we are usually left a shell of the team that we were prior to playing them. 

 

So if you ask me, they can have the win. With our schedule I will take 3-1 all day! BUT it’s the injuries I worry about. If we come out of this game unscathed that’s a win for me.

 

Heck I’d even go as far as saying let the evil genius game plan against Allen’s strengths and weaknesses all week long and then trot Barkley out there on Sunday. Throw a wrench in their game plan. Probably gives us a slightly better chance of pulling off the miracle honestly. And that’s no disrespect to Allen as much as it is just knowing their defense is lights out Belichik is a genius that will expose Allen’s weaknesses all day.......... but he wouldn’t be expecting Matt!

In the last 5 years we are 6-3 in the game immediately following the NE game, and of those 3 losses, the following weeks after that were all victories, ie, the Pats did not ever kick off anything more than a 2 game losing streak.

I also went back to 2005 and checked through 2008 and we also had a much better record immediately after Pats games than our general win percentage in those years. 

 

[Protocal69]

4 hours ago, Gary Busey said:

McDermott has built this defense to beat the Patriots. The Pats haven't seen a defense as close to as fast as the Bills this year. I'm confident about Sunday and am leaning toward picking the Bills. I think they keep the Pats under 22 points, but I'm not sure the offense is going to be able to put up that many on the Pats.

I’m feeling the same way. If New England can’t run the ball they are going to lose. 
 

Plus they have some statistical streaks going that have to get broken soon, like not giving up a defensive TD since the AFC Champship game.

 

The Bills in week 16 was able to move the ball on offense just like the Jets game but we kept shooting ourself in the foot and we couldn’t stop the run.

[stevewin]

6 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

 

 

Bottomline on defense is we need to do what we do best and invite NE to pass. The key will be playing a lot of underneath zone and knocking the hell out of NE WRs on crossing routes if Brady dares to throw underneath. Edelman got banged up pretty good and may or may not play. Flooding the short zones with heavy coverage will force Brady into holding the ball longer than he’d like & search deeper for WRs down field. He may connect on a few passes but that is okay, provided we hit him as he releases the ball. 

 

 

This is so key - make brady beat you with his arm - meaning take away the short passing game and make him complete more difficult intermediate and long throws.  Being in the same offense for 100 yrs the timing on the short throws is second nsture - but he has trouble even completing out patterns > 10 yds.  Plus the extra aecond to set for longer throws, the better chance to hit and aggravate him   i wouldnt be surprised either if theres a big emphasis on the DL getting their hands up to try to bat all the short throws - its been an emphasis all year, we have to be leading the league in batted passes if that is a stat.  Maybe some of that emphasis til now has been for this game. 

 

 

The next key then becomes not gettimg phantom PI penalties on long throws if they take those after weve taken the short stuff away.  That has been the bread and butter of Brady's "long ball" game - throw it up and get the phantom PI.  Perhaps Jerry should tweet about that as well.

 

The bottom line is i'd rather lose having them complete long throws then die from 1000 cuts from their short passing gane.

Edited September 24, 2019 by stevewin

[eball]

9 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

It means you have to bet $365 to win $100 on a Patriots victory

 

Bills are +255 just put a couple of bucks down.

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[PetermansRedemption]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Disappointing that Edelman is looking like he will play 

[Chris66]

9 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I actually do not know what the -365 line is- does it mean you get 365 if Bills win straight up on a 100 bet 

No it means you have to lay down. $365 to win a $100. Thats why i always look at the moneyline for accurate vegas view.

[May Day 10]

Ribs on a receiver, even just bruised has to be pretty limiting.  

[Chris66]

9 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

That on a 7 pt line? That seems out of line but I do not bet so what do I know.

Exactly with a 7 pt spread the moneyline really shoulnt be more than -225.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[thebandit27]

1 hour ago, Bills2ref said:

Disappointing that Edelman is looking like he will play 

 

If Taron Johnson isn't healthy, Edelman is going to be a problem on Sunday. I don't trust Siran Neal or Dean Marlowe there, so it's probably Kevin Johnson's role to match up. I don't think he's got the short-area quickness to contain Edelman.

 

[MILFHUNTER#518]

11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Belicheat is gonna run on us hard with Edelman limited...

[K-9]

Just now, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

Belicheat is gonna run on us hard with Edelman limited...

He was gonna do that, anyway.

[PaattMaann]

31 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

Belicheat is gonna run on us hard with Edelman limited...

 

good...I want them running against us. They havent proven they can run consistently and thats against bad teams, WITH their "cog" FB in the game. Their rushing attack last week was pathetic...give the ball to the RBs instead of the golden boy, please. 

[Stank_Nasty]

3 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

good...I want them running against us. They havent proven they can run consistently and thats against bad teams, WITH their "cog" FB in the game. Their rushing attack last week was pathetic...give the ball to the RBs instead of the golden boy, please. 

I agree. The bills just faced Bell, Barkley, and mixon and came out on the other side 9th in rush yds allowed. 

 

 

Edited September 24, 2019 by Stank_Nasty

[thebandit27]

4 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

good...I want them running against us. They havent proven they can run consistently and thats against bad teams, WITH their "cog" FB in the game. Their rushing attack last week was pathetic...give the ball to the RBs instead of the golden boy, please. 

 

The NE run game has definitely taken a step back without Trent Brown, Isaiah Wynn, and David Edwards, and I can't imagine that they won't feel the loss of Devlin as well.

 

That said, Coach Scarr always seems to be able to manufacture a run scheme that is effective in grinding out yards and keeping defenses honest.

[oldschoolfootball1963]

My way of thinking is we beat them with a 2 tight end sets with Sweeney and Knox. Both are good blockers and they also can really catch the ball. This will be the first time in a long time we come into the pats game with the better TE. We must not be afraid to attack Gilmore. Smoke can beat Gilmore because he is smaller and quicker. That’s the kind of Receiver Gilmore can struggle against.   

[Juice_32]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: