Week 4: Pats (-7) @ Bills!!

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Iron Maiden]

7 hours ago, Success said:

It’s a quality D.  No weaknesses, but their secondary is the only unit I would call elite.

 

They are sound and well coached, as always. They’re not scary, or the ‘85 Bears.  They shut down Falk.

I would add their linebackers to the elite category.....as a group... Collins, Hightower and Van Noy is top 3 in the NFL ! But I really think our problem is not necessarily ours vs theirs....it's Belichick and his success rate vs young QBs......he usually toys with them....Josh better bring his lunch pail !! 

Edited September 25, 2019 by Iron Maiden

[njbuff]

Brady being 30-3 against the Bills make me wanna throw up in mouth.

 

That is a disgustingly embarrassing statistic alone.

 

Brady LOVES beating the Bills brains in.

 

The Bills mentality during this timeframe is to simply cave in to the Pats.

 

Hopefully with the Bills mindset in 2019, they are prepared to smack the Pats in the mouth. FINALLY.

[LSHMEAB]

3 hours ago, MrSarcasm said:

Well yeah, but for some people to expect us to hold them under 20 points and all the while score 20+ is just ridiculous. What history or data are these people using? 

 

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Yeah. It's unrealistic at this point. I think it's VERY, VERY likely that the Bills will need to score 30 plus to win this game. 

14 minutes ago, Iron Maiden said:

I would add their linebackers to the elite category.....as a group... Collins, Hightower and Van Noy is top 3 in the NFL ! But I really think our problem is not necessarily ours vs theirs....it's Belichick and his success rate vs young QBs......he usually toys with them....Josh better bring his lunch pail !! 

No doubt, but Josh isn't a rookie anymore. I think it's fair to expect a solid outing.

[njbuff]

25 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Yeah. It's unrealistic at this point. I think it's VERY, VERY likely that the Bills will need to score 30 plus to win this game. 

No doubt, but Josh isn't a rookie anymore. I think it's fair to expect a solid outing.

 

The Bills actually need to score one more point than NE to win the game, no matter what the final number is.

 

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[LSHMEAB]

Just now, njbuff said:

 

The Bills actually need to score one more point than NE to win the game, no matter what the final number is.

 

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I'd be fine winning 2-0.

[njbuff]

2 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I'd be fine winning 2-0.

 

Allen with the empty-netter in the end to seal the win.

 

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[PromoTheRobot]

48 minutes ago, njbuff said:

Brady being 30-3 against the Bills make me wanna throw up in mouth.

 

That is a disgustingly embarrassing statistic alone.

 

Brady LOVES beating the Bills brains in.

 

The Bills mentality during this timeframe is to simply cave in to the Pats.

 

Hopefully with the Bills mindset in 2019, they are prepared to smack the Pats in the mouth. FINALLY.

 

Good thing we have a QB who hates losing.

[YoloinOhio]

8 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Good thing we have a QB who hates losing.

He also idolized Brady growing up. Said he studies his film still. 

[Pokebball]

32 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He also idolized Brady growing up. Said he studies his film still. 

Know thy enemy

[Augie]

35 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He also idolized Brady growing up. Said he studies his film still. 

Great! Learn from the best! Take that....and grow it! 

[Bubba Gump]

7 hours ago, Cmdjr85 said:

Ahahahahahahah its fun in bills land. Niagara Falls Ny is a nice little city.. Looks like they are getting ready for a hurricane to come thru. So many boarded up run down houses. 

 

You ever been to Dorchester or Lowell ***** for brains. Talk about toilets!!!

[Iron Maiden]

1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

Yeah. It's unrealistic at this point. I think it's VERY, VERY likely that the Bills will need to score 30 plus to win this game. 

No doubt, but Josh isn't a rookie anymore. I think it's fair to expect a solid outing.

Belichick's team is something like 17-0 when playing 1st or 2nd year QBs....Josh ain't a rookie ...and I'm not saying he won't play well...but history shows he'll see things and looks he's never seen before....

[Chandler#81]

10 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

I have to imagine you're treading on thin ice on this site. The mods here don't run this place the way other fan boards are run. We like to keep things reasonably respectful, and if I am not mistaken, there is only one poster on this site who is allowed to call others an "idiot."

Yep, he gone. 

Yes, one has to reach 50,000 posts to be considered for the Idiot Pass. Even then, it takes authorized permission from @DC Tom. At 10,000 posts, you can try to get away with referencing Tom ala ‘with appropriate due to @DC Tom, you’re an idiot’ -but don’t misspell or you’ll be Banned.

[Chandler#81]

8 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I'm with this guy.

 

So make that everyone -2

 

 everyone -3

[Warcodered]

 

[Rocky Landing]

36 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Yep, he gone. 

Yes, one has to reach 50,000 posts to be considered for the Idiot Pass. Even then, it takes authorized permission from @DC Tom. At 10,000 posts, you can try to get away with referencing Tom ala ‘with appropriate due to @DC Tom, you’re an idiot’ -but don’t misspell or you’ll be Banned.

I love this place.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

Hyde on the Adam Schefter podcast this week

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[Billsatlastin2018]

13 hours ago, Success said:

And who knows if they’re the best team.

 

They have beaten no one.  Bills haven’t either, but no one is saying we’re the best.

 

Because of prior, overwhelming  Brady history (31-3) nobody should.

 

Beat them Sunday and you change the narrative.

 

Just do it!

[HOUSE]

Interesting how the Boston sports writers claim the Bills haven't beat any good teams yet. Combined record of 1-8

Yet the Patriots have defeated 3 teams with a combined record of 0-9. What a bunch of bull####

 

Buffalo is off to a 3-0 start for the first time since 2011. Its defense is as fierce and havoc-causing as a Bills fan’s tailgate in Orchard Park, N.Y. The Bills are top five in total defense (299.7) and points allowed per game (15.7). The one caveat for coach Sean McDermott’s crew is that the teams they’ve defeated — the Jets, New York Giants, and Cincinnati Bengals — have a total of one win among them. This reeks of gridiron grade inflation.

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/09/24/patriots-toughest-opponent-right-now-injuries/wAu1hsxQbvv91tRVHAKV8J/story.html

 

 

 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

6 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Interesting how the Boston sports writers claim the Bills haven't beat any good teams yet. Combined record of 1-8

Yet the Patriots have defeated 3 teams with a combined record of 0-9. What a bunch of bull####

 

Buffalo is off to a 3-0 start for the first time since 2011. Its defense is as fierce and havoc-causing as a Bills fan’s tailgate in Orchard Park, N.Y. The Bills are top five in total defense (299.7) and points allowed per game (15.7). The one caveat for coach Sean McDermott’s crew is that the teams they’ve defeated — the Jets, New York Giants, and Cincinnati Bengals — have a total of one win among them. This reeks of gridiron grade inflation.

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/09/24/patriots-toughest-opponent-right-now-injuries/wAu1hsxQbvv91tRVHAKV8J/story.html

 

 

 

 

 

Not only that but that vaunted Patriots defense played the bottom 3 offenses in 3 games. Basically they played 3 JV teams.

[PromoTheRobot]

13 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Perhaps not the best team in the league, but don't you think their absolutely dominating history the past two decades suggests the Patriots are one of if not the best team in the league this year? 

 

Doesnt matter who they beat. The Patriots always get the benefit of the doubt. The Bills don't.

 

Went do we keep bringing up the "last two decades" when taking about Sunday. To paraphrase Rick Pitino: "Tedy Bruschi ain't waking through that door."

 

You can certainly apply that to Belichick, but we play the guys they have now, not from 20 years ago.

[GG]

Both defenses have been outstanding so far, but Bills' offense has easily left 50+ points on the table through bad execution and careless mistakes.  They can't do that against Pats*

[YoloinOhio]

10 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Went do we keep bringing up the "last two decades" when taking about Sunday. To paraphrase Rick Pitino: "Tedy Bruschi ain't waking through that door."

 

You can certainly apply that to Belichick, but we play the guys they have now, not from 20 years ago.

The only accurate way to scout this game is 2018-present. You can go back to 2017 I guess but OC change and QB change is too significant. Going back further is a waste of time. 

[Billsatlastin2018]

17 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Went do we keep bringing up the "last two decades" when taking about Sunday. To paraphrase Rick Pitino: "Tedy Bruschi ain't waking through that door."

 

You can certainly apply that to Belichick, but we play the guys they have now, not from 20 years ago.

 

Because- that’s the way life works. The first thing up in a changed environment is to look up and key off any prior history. And the history... during this entire millennium, has been historically embarrassing, humiliating & hopeless! 

 

The Top B&B Brothers are still in charge! Until you beat their arse on Sunday and do it again in Foxboro (when neither team has cashed it in or is resting for the Playoffs), only THEN will there be no more history.

 

that’s the thing about it. Unless you change it, it rolls on forever.

[Rocky Landing]

24 minutes ago, GG said:

Both defenses have been outstanding so far, but Bills' offense has easily left 50+ points on the table through bad execution and careless mistakes.  They can't do that against Pats*

To leave “50+ points on the table” would suggest that we’ve gotten to the red zone 7+ times and not scored.  That is certainly not the case. In fact, our red zone efficiency has been excellent this season. 

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Last I checked BB and Brady are still there and they are still winning.

 

Patriots are still among the best in the league if not the best.

 

I agree.  Not to mention, they are the defending champions.  They'll always be the favorite to win it all as long as BB/Brady are there.

[GG]

1 minute ago, Rocky Landing said:

To leave “50+ points on the table” would suggest that we’ve gotten to the red zone 7+ times and not scored.  That is certainly not the case. In fact, our red zone efficiency has been excellent this season. 

 

I don't know how you can say that, especially after this Sunday's game, where Bills should have been up by at least 28 at halftime!

 

I looked at not only trips to red zone, but other clear scoring opportunities that were missed.   I counted 3 deep passes that Allen missed to open receivers that should have been TDs, then add the mistakes in the Jets and Bengals games and that's how I got to 50+ points across the 3 games.

[YoloinOhio]

10 minutes ago, GG said:

 

I don't know how you can say that, especially after this Sunday's game, where Bills should have been up by at least 28 at halftime!

 

I looked at not only trips to red zone, but other clear scoring opportunities that were missed.   I counted 3 deep passes that Allen missed to open receivers that should have been TDs, then add the mistakes in the Jets and Bengals games and that's how I got to 50+ points across the 3 games.

Check this out. This isn’t including Yeldon fumble etc 

 

 

[SCBills]

25 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

To leave “50+ points on the table” would suggest that we’ve gotten to the red zone 7+ times and not scored.  That is certainly not the case. In fact, our red zone efficiency has been excellent this season. 

 

In that Bengals game alone -

 

Intentional grounding took 3 off the board

 

Yeldon fumble at the five yard line

 

Josh missing Zay for a TD

 

Knox dropping a pass that would’ve set up 1st and goal 

 

That’s potentially 24 points right there

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[dave mcbride]

12 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

In that Bengals game alone -

 

Intentional grounding took 3 off the board

 

Yeldon fumble at the five yard line

 

Josh missing Zay for a TD

 

Knox dropping a pass that would’ve set up 1st and goal 

 

That’s potentially 24 points right there

The Knox drop was on the same drive as the Yeldon fumble. Also, you should never assume 7; always assume 3 when it comes to lost opportunities in the red zone. Touchdowns aren't easy to come by; short field goals are. I'm counting 13 missed points. 

Edited September 25, 2019 by dave mcbride

[row_33]

17 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

The Knox drop was on the same drive as the Yeldon fumble. Also, you should never assume 7; always assume 3 when it comes to lost opportunities in the red zone. Touchdowns aren't easy to come by; short field goals are. I'm counting 13 missed points. 

 

it's okay to assume 3 when the Bills enter the Red Zone?

 

i'll repeat this to myself until it sinks in....

 

i'm just happy if it doesn't turn into  -7

 

 

[SCBills]

15 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

The Knox drop was on the same drive as the Yeldon fumble. Also, you should never assume 7; always assume 3 when it comes to lost opportunities in the red zone. Touchdowns aren't easy to come by; short field goals are. I'm counting 13 missed points. 

 

Ok, I’ll, of course, take 7 off the board due to it being the same drive, but I’m not assuming 3 when this team gets into the red zone.  Until they prove otherwise, I am extremely confident in them getting TD’s.  

 

Id bet almost anything that we get 7 if Yeldon doesn’t fumble.  The Bengals were not stopping us, sans turnover, in that moment. 

 

So ill go with 17. 

 

Thats one game.  We’ve seen similar issues in the other two games as well.   It’s not out of line for that poster to say we’ve “potentially” left 50 points on the field through 3 weeks. 

 

 

Edited September 25, 2019 by SCBills

[PromoTheRobot]

51 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Last I checked BB and Brady are still there and they are still winning.

 

Patriots are still among the best in the league if not the best.

 

What about the other 21 starters?

 

I have to ask this: is it more important to you that the Bills win or that you're right?

Edited September 25, 2019 by PromoTheRobot

[Stank_Nasty]

8 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

it's okay to assume 3 when the Bills enter the Red Zone?

 

i'll repeat this to myself until it sinks in....

 

i'm just happy if it doesn't turn into  -7

 

 

small sample size but the bills have a top 5 RZ td% through 3 games.... 

[SCBills]

18 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

it's okay to assume 3 when the Bills enter the Red Zone?

 

i'll repeat this to myself until it sinks in....

 

i'm just happy if it doesn't turn into  -7

 

 

 

Strange post..  

 

There’s a few parts of this team I’m unsure of heading into the Pats game, but our RZ Offense isn’t one of them.  

 

Sure, the Pats could prevent us from getting the red zone, or be the team that puts the clamps on us when we get there, but until/if that happens, I’m not sure how anyone can watch this offense with Josh Allen’s dual threat ability and 3 games of a high RZ conversion % and think what you’re thinking. 

 

Edited September 25, 2019 by SCBills

[Cheektowaga Chad]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

the quote about Allen is kind of strange for belichick, he usually is all praise for an opposing QB. This quote leaves a little doubt about Allen. Its basically saying he has a ways to go

 

I remember his quote about jeff tuel, " he can beat you with his arm and he can beat you with his legs"