Week 4: Pats (-7) @ Bills!!

[ddaryl]

11 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

That's probably all true...but stranger things and all that ya know?

 

 

I'm totally ok with stranger things happening this weekend. I would love to see a discipline win. 

4 minutes ago, Success said:

If they pull out a win, I’m going to officially start the 19-0 chatter...

 

Wouldn't that be great because to go 19-0 we would probably have to be New England 3 times an d that would make it all so much sweeter.

[PromoTheRobot]

3 hours ago, ddaryl said:

We're not winning this game. We leave too many points on the field, We are not getting enough of a pass rush to affect Brady. 

 

We are still making enough mistakes per game to where a quality franchise will expose us. We are trending upward but we are not there yet.

 

If the Bills can actually play a perfect game we have a shot, but every missed opportunity will be magnified this week. maybe a creative gameplan makes the difference but you need more than a gameplan for NE, you need to pair near flawless execution.

 

Hope I am wrong but right now I'm giving the points and expecting a loss. This team is good enough talent wise, just not execution wise IMO.

 

[stevewin]

3 hours ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

I just look forward to the day when the Patriots stadium is empty again once Tom Brady retires. They had one of the biggest jokes of a fanbase until  he came onto the scene

Then actually became a worse joke of a fanbase

Edited September 24, 2019 by stevewin

[stevewin]

23 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

What the hell? Who holds out their thumb while flipping someone off? If this kid is going to be a Jets fan for life he needs to fix his technique.

Perhaps it was a less aggressive "L"?  ?

[YoloinOhio]

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[K-9]

1 hour ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Since Coach McDermott and Coach Frazier have taken over, Tommy has thrown more picks to Buffalo than TD passes.

 

3 TDs  4 picks in 4 games. .

And one of those INTs was a pick 6 to Poyer.

[Warcodered]

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

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There's really only two options either Rodak is some sort of curse or the new guy who used to cover the Panthers is a lucky charm.

Edited September 24, 2019 by Warcodered

[DisplacedBillsFan]

I expect two things from the Bills offense against NE that we haven't really seen yet this year. 1. More deep throws from JA (possibly with an uptick in the targets to Foster). 2. Singletary, if healthy, to be a featured and focal point of the gameplan. 

[Nextmanup]

7 minutes ago, DisplacedBillsFan said:

I expect two things from the Bills offense against NE that we haven't really seen yet this year. 1. More deep throws from JA (possibly with an uptick in the targets to Foster). 2. Singletary, if healthy, to be a featured and focal point of the gameplan. 

If true, let's hope Josh can find some accuracy on those long throws.

 

When he winds up and launches it, he usually misses by 5 yards or more.

 

 

[MrSarcasm]

Patriots 30 Bill's 17. Let's be real -7 is pretty generous towards the Bill's. I'd be curious what the line would be if the Patriots were playing the Chiefs, Rams or Packers. 

 

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[FLFan]

3 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

Patriots 30 Bill's 17. Let's be real -7 is pretty generous towards the Bill's. I'd be curious what the line would be if the Patriots were playing the Chiefs, Rams or Packers. 

 

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The Pat..... are not going to score 30.  They may win, but their offense will be exposed.  

[MrSarcasm]

Just now, FLFan said:

The Pat..... are not going to score 30.  They may win, but their offense will be exposed.  

Bill's will turn it over at least 2 times within there own territory-easy points. 

 

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[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Researching every Pats loss (31 of them) since 2010, and figuring out the blueprint to winning against NE.

 

* A game in the mid 40s ending in something like 24-20,23-21,26-20 etc.

 

* In all but a handful of the games they were held to under 100 yards rushing(with a high of only 124) and 3.5-3.75 yds/rush. In other words they haven't lost when rushing for 125 or more since 2010.

 

* you likely need to gain at least a 100 yards rush and likely closer to 125+ with above a 4.0 yds/avg

 

* hold them to around 250 passing or less and around 40 attempts to do so. 6.0/attempt. You need a pick and  a couple sacks as well.

 

*You don't need to out pass them yardage wise, so about 250 yds and closer to 30 attempts, but more efficiently than they do, like over 7 yards per attempt.

 

 

[Success]

For the sake of Pete:  Tom Brady is 42 years old.

 

Hit the old man.  Repeatedly.  Then hit him some more.

[TC in St. Louis]

The last time we played the Patriots, Brady was 13/24 for 126 yards and 2 picks.  That was when our defense was playing very well.  

 

I think our defense has been playing conservative football the first 3 weeks (although there was one play in the Jets game when all hell broke loose and the QB was sacked within 2 seconds, late in the game.....looked like a jailbreak).  I don't think they've been giving Brady and company much to look at.  I think they will confuse him and he will struggle.

 

I also think our offense will get some points.  I think it will take 20 to win the game, and I think we will win.  

[Chris66]

Just now, TC in St. Louis said:

The last time we played the Patriots, Brady was 13/24 for 126 yards and 2 picks.  That was when our defense was playing very well.  

 

I think our defense has been playing conservative football the first 3 weeks (although there was one play in the Jets game when all hell broke loose and the QB was sacked within 2 seconds, late in the game.....looked like a jailbreak).  I don't think they've been giving Brady and company much to look at.  I think they will confuse him and he will struggle.

 

I also think our offense will get some points.  I think it will take 20 to win the game, and I think we will win.  

Your not going to confuse him. You might for on series but he will eventually figure the defense out and Im sorry its not the talent that is going lose this game for the bills. Its the coaching staff.

You put BB on the bills staff and they win by 10.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, Captain Murica said:

Looks like Sam Darnold’s less talented cousin Chad Darnold from Nantucket.

..think that was an eye test for Gase....which finger Coach????..........

[MrSarcasm]

11 minutes ago, TC in St. Louis said:

The last time we played the Patriots, Brady was 13/24 for 126 yards and 2 picks.  That was when our defense was playing very well.  

 

I think our defense has been playing conservative football the first 3 weeks (although there was one play in the Jets game when all hell broke loose and the QB was sacked within 2 seconds, late in the game.....looked like a jailbreak).  I don't think they've been giving Brady and company much to look at.  I think they will confuse him and he will struggle.

 

I also think our offense will get some points.  I think it will take 20 to win the game, and I think we will win.  

Besides the Super Bowl (which they won) when was the last time they scored 20 points or less... and lost on top of it? 

 

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2 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

Besides the Super Bowl (which they won) when was the last time they scored 20 points or less... and lost on top of it? 

 

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Found it October 2nd 2016- Lost to Buffalo 16-0

No Brady that day.

 

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[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, Cmdjr85 said:

Lol, you like that one? 

Whats substance...saying orchard parks defense is amazing?  The bills are a losing franchise always have been and always will be.

We’re you looking in a mirror when you posted that?

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

Besides the Super Bowl (which they won) when was the last time they scored 20 points or less... and lost on top of it? 

 

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Found it October 2nd 2016- Lost to Buffalo 16-0

No Brady that day.

 

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..Brissett, right?........

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

[MDH]

17 minutes ago, Chris66 said:

Your not going to confuse him. You might for on series but he will eventually figure the defense out and Im sorry its not the talent that is going lose this game for the bills. Its the coaching staff.

You put BB on the bills staff and they win by 10.

 

But somehow the Pats lost 5 games last year including games to Miami, Detroit, Pittsburgh and Tennessee. None of those teams made the playoffs. 

 

Im guessing Pats fans went into all those games being over confident too.

 

Just because the Pats are the best team in the league doesn’t mean they win every game.

Edited September 24, 2019 by MDH

[MrSarcasm]

1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

..Brissett, right?........

Yep. Pretty ridiculous people think that 'all we have to do is hold them under 20' 

 

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[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

 

 

[MrSarcasm]

3 minutes ago, MDH said:

 

But somehow the Pats lost 5 games last year including games to Miami, Detroit, Pittsburgh and Tennessee. None of those teams made the playoffs. 

 

Im guessing Pats fans went into all those games being over confident too.

 

Just because the Pats are the best team in the league doesn’t mean they win every game.

Well yeah, but for some people to expect us to hold them under 20 points and all the while score 20+ is just ridiculous. What history or data are these people using? 

 

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Edited September 24, 2019 by MrSarcasm

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

Yep. Pretty ridiculous people think that 'all we have to do is hold them under 20' 

 

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...LOL...The Rams held them to 13 and...................

[Success]

3 minutes ago, MDH said:

 

But somehow the Pats lost 5 games last year including games to Miami, Detroit, Pittsburgh and Tennessee. None of those teams made the playoffs. 

 

Im guessing Pats fans went into all those games being over confident too.

 

Just because the Pats are the best team in the league doesn’t mean they win every game.

And who knows if they’re the best team.

 

They have beaten no one.  Bills haven’t either, but no one is saying we’re the best.

[Chris66]

1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...LOL...The Rams held them to 13 and...................

They also hd Suh and Donald.

7 minutes ago, MDH said:

 

But somehow the Pats lost 5 games last year including games to Miami, Detroit, Pittsburgh and Tennessee. None of those teams made the playoffs. 

 

Im guessing Pats fans went into all those games being over confident too.

 

Just because the Pats are the best team in the league doesn’t mean they win every game.

Just 75% of them

[K-9]

41 minutes ago, TC in St. Louis said:

The last time we played the Patriots, Brady was 13/24 for 126 yards and 2 picks.  That was when our defense was playing very well.  

 

I think our defense has been playing conservative football the first 3 weeks (although there was one play in the Jets game when all hell broke loose and the QB was sacked within 2 seconds, late in the game.....looked like a jailbreak).  I don't think they've been giving Brady and company much to look at.  I think they will confuse him and he will struggle.

 

I also think our offense will get some points.  I think it will take 20 to win the game, and I think we will win.  

Confuse Brady? Can’t see it. Confuse others on his offense? That I can see, especially if Edelman doesn’t play.

[DisplacedBillsFan]

1 hour ago, MrSarcasm said:

Bill's will turn it over at least 2 times within there own territory-easy points. 

 

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Maybe, but you have to think the message to JA this week is going to be focused on throwing it away, taking the sack when it's third down and you're going to be punting anyway, not throwing back over the middle late, not throwing it up for grabs with 3 defenders draped on him, etc. So...ball security. We can't let NE start in our territory or have an average drive start of their own 40.

 

Allen will need to improvise and make plays like he always does, but I also think he'll play smarter this week. There's no way he's not learning from those bonehead moves.  You can see his reactions on the sideline and how mad he is at himself. This has to (for the sake of a W) be the week he takes a step forward in "playing smart".

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

 

[SWATeam]

1 hour ago, Chris66 said:

 

Just 75% of them

By my math, that's one loss out of 4...  Sounds right

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, MrSarcasm said:

Well yeah, but for some people to expect us to hold them under 20 points and all the while score 20+ is just ridiculous. What history or data are these people using? 

 

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I don't know about scoring 20 but the Pats offense is decimated. Losses at OL, RB and WR. And the Bills will be the toughest defense Brady has seen this season by far. 

Edited September 25, 2019 by PromoTheRobot

[reddogblitz]

1 hour ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

*Researching every Pats loss (31 of them) since 2010, and figuring out the blueprint to winning against NE.

 

* A game in the mid 40s ending in something like 24-20,23-21,26-20 etc.

 

* In all but a handful of the games they were held to under 100 yards rushing(with a high of only 124) and 3.5-3.75 yds/rush. In other words they haven't lost when rushing for 125 or more since 2010.

 

* you likely need to gain at least a 100 yards rush and likely closer to 125+ with above a 4.0 yds/avg

 

* hold them to around 250 passing or less and around 40 attempts to do so. 6.0/attempt. You need a pick and  a couple sacks as well.

 

*You don't need to out pass them yardage wise, so about 250 yds and closer to 30 attempts, but more efficiently than they do, like over 7 yards per attempt.

 

 

 

* You need to score more points than they do.

Edited September 24, 2019 by reddogblitz

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

5 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

* You need to score more points than they do.

Truer words have never been spoken!

[Mojo44]

 In many areas of life the past is prologue. Not so much in the NFL. I really don’t care about recent or remote history versus the Pats*.  Beat them on Sunday, and this is absolutely possible, that history becomes bunk. 

[Heitz]

NESN coverage of McDermott:

 

https://nesn.com/2019/09/bills-coach-sean-mcdermott-marvels-at-patriots-unbelievable-defense/

 

 

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“It’s unbelievable,” McDermott told reporters Monday, per NYUp.com. “I don’t think I’ve ever been around that, ever heard of that to this point in the season. You know, I’m very early on my film process at this point, but what they’re doing and how they’re doing it — they’re playing really well with a bunch of good players. (The Patriots have) done some really, really cool things on defense.”

 

At least tells me he has an understanding of what they're doing!  I've often wondered that with past regimes...  ?

[GG]

4 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

Let's get back on track here...

 

I've been thinking more about how Daboll will attack NE's D. One clear weakness is in that their LBs and safeties aren't great in coverage. Between that and the way they like to match their CBs, I'm feeling more and more like this is a TE and RB based passing attack this week, with a few big-play shots mixed in to keep them honest.

 

I have a feeling that Daboll has been mixing in plays and formations in anticipation of this week.  I think the plan will be similar to the Jets game (hopefully without DiMarco splitting out wide) 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[thebandit27]

8 minutes ago, GG said:

 

I have a feeling that Daboll has been mixing in plays and formations in anticipation of this week.  I think the plan will be similar to the Jets game (hopefully without DiMarco splitting out wide) 

 

Splitting DiMarco out wide feels to me like a setup for a downfield TD later in the year.

 

But yes, I imagine Daboll has been all in on beating NE since the offseason. After all, Allen developing into a franchise QB and beating NE would make a practical guarantee that he gets a HC job for 2020.