r henderson Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 I just finished watching the Bills Carolina game and saw something very alarming. This is a one game observation, but Spain was getting beat on every single snap. The only way they were able to by time is with the play action. Maybe he's hurt, but his play was under whelming on that night. Constant pressure on every pla while showing very slow foot work. Comments please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 He looks out of shape to me. It’s a concern. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 he was going up against Short who might be the best d tackle in the league. 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 He has been much better in run blocking than pass protection IMHO. Maybe he is hurt or maybe hasn't grasped the O line schemes. You have to remember outside of Dawkins this is a complete overhaul with players that haven't played as a unit up until now. Spain has looked bad, allowing way to much pressure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 He is also the only starter taking holding penalties. Maybe he'll settle when Morse gets healthy and the Bills get some stability at center, but they do have Teller in reserve. Teller is more athletic and plenty strong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 minute ago, billsbackto81 said: He has been much better in run blocking than pass protection IMHO. Maybe he is hurt or maybe hasn't grasped the O line schemes. You have to remember outside of Dawkins this is a complete overhaul with players that haven't played as a unit up until now. Spain has looked bad, allowing way to much pressure. That's his specialty, is run blocking. Has been a consistently very good Run blocker , and very mediocre at pass blocking . Morse , for starters will make the whole line better when he's back week 1. I think Big will likely just sit him til week 1. But ya , Spain is a weakness at pass blocking but like someone said had a Great DT in Kaiwan Short . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, r henderson said: I just finished watching the Bills Carolina game and saw something very alarming. This is a one game observation, but Spain was getting beat on every single snap. The only way they were able to by time is with the play action. Maybe he's hurt, but his play was under whelming on that night. Constant pressure on every pla while showing very slow foot work. Comments please. Thanks for the heads up. I am planning on rewatching at least the starters and Allen’s portion of the game. I’ll watch him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jav Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Shaq Lawson for Trent Williams. Redskins may get desperate. Then slide Dawkins to LG and Spain to bench to battle Teller for backup duties. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Every play? So the coaches have no idea? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, aristocrat said: he was going up against Short who might be the best d tackle in the league. Every team has good DTs. Most not as good as Short but very good. Spain was terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 I personally would like to see Feliciano move to LG when Morse is healthy. He looks pretty tough. Dawkins/Feliciano/Morse/Ford/Nsehke 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, jav said: Shaq Lawson for Trent Williams. Redskins may get desperate. Then slide Dawkins to LG and Spain to bench to battle Teller for backup duties. No no no no no 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Progress Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 minute ago, BillsRdue said: I personally would like to see Feliciano move to LG when Morse is healthy. He looks pretty tough. Dawkins/Feliciano/Morse/Ford/Nsehke This looks like the best five on the field to me. When we signed Spain in free agency, I checked out the Titans board to see their response. They weren't really sad to see Spain go. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 This thread won't go well with @GunnerBill. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said: Every play? So the coaches have no idea? Every single one. They're still blaming Tyrod so the coaches don't even notice when Spain gets beat on every single play. Edited August 19, 2019 by Royale with Cheese 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, jav said: Shaq Lawson for Trent Williams. Redskins may get desperate. Then slide Dawkins to LG and Spain to bench to battle Teller for backup duties. Maybe the Redskins will just give us Trent for an old sandwich. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, BillsRdue said: I personally would like to see Feliciano move to LG when Morse is healthy. He looks pretty tough. Dawkins/Feliciano/Morse/Ford/Nsehke Agree with this. The trickle down after Morse gets back should bump him to the bench. I’ve been really impressed with Feliciano. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Does any one have the link to that site that allows you to watch the game in a compressed format? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 He was not getting beat on every single snap. He was beat a couple of times by Kawaan Short, who is one of the best in the business. Short gets paid, too. The book on Spain has already been written: He's an above average run blocker and an average pass blocker. Everything we've seen thus far in camp and preseason backs up this notion. There's a reason he's been basically the unquestioned starter at left guard since camp opened. He clearly brings stability and skill that the coaching staff likes. Notice that with all the mixing and matching they have done on the o-line "to find the best five guys", Spain has pretty much been a constant. He'll be fine. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 I don't agree he got beat every snap. He did get beaten badly by Short but otherwise I thought he was fine. I will go and watch the all22 though. I'm not concerned at this stage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 43 minutes ago, r henderson said: I just finished watching the Bills Carolina game and saw something very alarming. This is a one game observation, but Spain was getting beat on every single snap. The only way they were able to by time is with the play action. Maybe he's hurt, but his play was under whelming on that night. Constant pressure on every pla while showing very slow foot work. Comments please. You might want to watch again because this is false 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Just now, Not at the table Karlos said: You might want to watch again because this is false Hyperbole is the death of the message board. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Just now, Not at the table Karlos said: You might want to watch again because this is false I have to say I was surprised by the OP because I was trying to watch the line and I thought he was moving people on most snaps. But I will all22 tonight and revert further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 47 minutes ago, r henderson said: I just finished watching the Bills Carolina game and saw something very alarming. This is a one game observation, but Spain was getting beat on every single snap. The only way they were able to by time is with the play action. Maybe he's hurt, but his play was under whelming on that night. Constant pressure on every pla while showing very slow foot work. Comments please. I thought he looked terrible- bad footwork and slow as molasses. He was getting beat routinely- its a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I have to say I was surprised by the OP because I was trying to watch the line and I thought he was moving people on most snaps. But I will all22 tonight and revert further. I didn't think you can see All-22 for preseason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 32 minutes ago, jav said: Shaq Lawson for Trent Williams. Redskins may get desperate. Then slide Dawkins to LG and Spain to bench to battle Teller for backup duties. Yeah, because the skins want Shaq Lawson as a one year rental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I don't agree he got beat every snap. He did get beaten badly by Short but otherwise I thought he was fine. I will go and watch the all22 though. I'm not concerned at this stage. This seems like the correct and reasonable position. Maybe change your name to LogicGunnerBill. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, GG said: I didn't think you can see All-22 for preseason? Yea it doesn't seem to be there.... I thought you did from memory. Oh well I'll just watch again on the tv angle and try and zero in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv001 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 I believe Spain is the current weak link on the Oline. Perhaps being one of the last free agent signees at a low contract was a red flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 I think if Morse comes back healthy we move Feliciano to LG. Starting line up would be: Dawkins - Feliciano - Morse - Ford - Nseke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I have to say I was surprised by the OP because I was trying to watch the line and I thought he was moving people on most snaps. But I will all22 tonight and revert further. There seems to be a lot of "when Morse gets back all will be well" comments Gunner. I am usually more the rose-colored-glasses guy, but I have my doubts Morse will be able to stay healthy for the full season once he does get back. I know he is going to give it another go, and I really, really want him to be able to play and avoid another concussion because I think he loves the game and is a very tough competitor, but playing on the line is like being in a car crash over and over. Talk about your helmet to helmet hits, they happen on every play if you play in the trenches. I just don't see a long term situation where Morse does not have a recurrence of another concussion this season. Feliciano may end up being our starter for most of the season - just setting expectations. No one wants to see a player damaged for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GunnerBill Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, WideNine said: There seems to be a lot of "when Morse gets back all will be well" comments Gunner. I am usually more the rose-colored-glasses guy, but I have my doubts Morse will be able to stay healthy for the full season once he does get back. I know he is going to give it another go, and I really, really want him to be able to play and avoid another concussion because I think he loves the game and is a very tough competitor, but playing on the line is like being in a car crash over and over. Talk about your helmet to helmet hits, they happen on every play if you play in the trenches. I just don't see a long term situation where Morse does not have a recurrence of another concussion this season. Feliciano may end up being our starter for most of the season - just setting expectations. No one wants to see a player damaged for life. I agree Morse could well be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 On Spain: I have just watched the first drive back and the sack by Short is his only negative play. There was a play where Dawkins got completely blown up and Shady was hit behind the line and a then a play where Shady concerts a third and short where Spain pulls and then I think hits the wrong guy but still creates enough of a hole for Shady to get the first down. On this drive he works against Kawann Short for the most part and Kyle Love on a couple of plays. Spain is particularly effective at re-directing Short's rush angles keeping him wide and on the wide receiver screen to Beasley does a really nice job of getting up quickly to the second level to make the play. On the play he gets beat he overbalances slightly and against Short that is bad news and he is able to swat aside and make the play. Onto the second drive now but I have already ascertained the OP was talking out of a certain part of his anatomy. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 He seems locked in as the starter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, Logic said: The play where he gets tossed is a really bad look. Short is very good but Spain was manhandled which you don't expect to see happen to a 300+ pounder. How strong is Short!?!?! This probably colored op's opinion as they showed the replay and in slow motion it looks even worse. As for the second tweet, am I crazy or did he hold him when he tried again. Spain has Short hooked pretty good so he can't be thrown and got away with it so it is a positive but I don't know that I would be crowing about how he adjusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 (edited) Sounds like on OBL - they tried flipping Long and Spain at guard today. Dawkins, Long, Feliciano, Spain, Ford Interesting - with Tye out - will be interesting to see what happens as people get healthy. Edited August 19, 2019 by Rochesterfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, section122 said: The play where he gets tossed is a really bad look. Short is very good but Spain was manhandled which you don't expect to see happen to a 300+ pounder. How strong is Short!?!?! This probably colored op's opinion as they showed the replay and in slow motion it looks even worse. As for the second tweet, am I crazy or did he hold him when he tried again. Spain has Short hooked pretty good so he can't be thrown and got away with it so it is a positive but I don't know that I would be crowing about how he adjusted. Getting beaten one-on-one by Kawaan Short is gonna happen. It just is. Short is a top 10 DT in the NFL. I don't know what people think happens in the trenches, but you win some reps and you lose some reps. No one -- not even perennial All-Pro guards -- ever wins every single rep against defensive linemen. Spain is the least of my concerns when it comes to the Bills o-line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 On the second drive Spain starts with two rough plays. He gets beat again by Short who uses the redirection technique Spain has been deploying really well against him by setting off wider and beating Spain for pure speed. Josh does a nice job of getting the ball out to his back for a short gain. Then Spain holds Short on the next play when he tries to disrupt a backside run with early penetration. However, the third play of the drive Spain does an outstanding job against another well timed Short bull rush and delivers the key block to give Josh time to find Beasley over the middle. Then he easily swats away Love on the following play as Josh gets it to Sweeney at the 4. On the run sequence at the goalline he wins on both plays. First diverting a rusher and then getting to the second level and winning against the defender as Shady gets stopped just short before a well executed cut block on the TD run itself 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, section122 said: The play where he gets tossed is a really bad look. Short is very good but Spain was manhandled which you don't expect to see happen to a 300+ pounder. How strong is Short!?!?! This probably colored op's opinion as they showed the replay and in slow motion it looks even worse. As for the second tweet, am I crazy or did he hold him when he tried again. Spain has Short hooked pretty good so he can't be thrown and got away with it so it is a positive but I don't know that I would be crowing about how he adjusted. His hands are inside Short's frame. Looks like excellent blocking to me. Refs will only call that if the defender tries to disengage but can't. Towards the end of the play Spain has his arm on Short's side, but there's no indication of holding. You can push on the outside of a defender's frame as long as you aren't holding. If Short would have attempted to turn back to the right and Spain kept his arm on the outside and hooked him, that could have been called, but that didn't happen. All in all that looks like excellent blocking on that particular play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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