Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: Honest question to all saying preseason doesn't matter, for say the last 19 years have the bills ever looked good in preseason? Or has it always been average to below average? Because id say for once the bills look good and I have no clue what it means Maybe a game they looked good, but consistently through multiple games not that I remember. I remember Trent Edwards and the D carving up the Steelers in a week 3 preseason game that was supposed to be a dress rehearsal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mc1320 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Make some easy money - take the over on 6.5 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, offyourocker said: Did the Browns not go 4-0 in preseason once to end up 0-16 in regular season? Or am I grossly miss remembering something? There are different ways to go 4-0. We were well into our 3rd string in the 2nd quarter and still rag dolling the Panthers (who admittedly were missing several key players) and FTR if they can win the 4th game with a whole game of Tyree Jackson at QB then their depth on defense and running back is insane because he stinks on ice. Edited August 17, 2019 by That's No Moon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 I think we finally have nfl talent and depth all over We havent faced a quality nfl starter yet and I too am underwhelmed by the push upfront But Allen looks calm and cool and Beasley looks like a difference maker. I'm a little concerned at rb but then again we could be a mostly passing offense if the O line continues to hold up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Let's focus on the important questions raised by tonight's game. Such as how do we acquire Caroline Cann and is she the missing piece the Bills need to push them over the top? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: There are different ways to go 4-0. We were well into our 3rd string in the 2nd quarter and still rag dolling the Panthers (who admittedly were missing several key players) Bingo! I bet when you look back at those 4 - 0 pre-season teams that went 0 - 16 they played to win their pre-season games and kept their starters & back-ups in longer. Those teams knew they sucked and used pre-season wins to drive ticket sales. What I've observed through 2 pre-season games so far is a team that is working on stuff, evaluating players and still managing to win the game. This indicates talent & depth. Something I've not seen for the last 20 years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) Lots of depth... good quality players at all levels except maybe TE. TE we are ok but not after the first or second string. One thing to take away from this is Carolina was not ready. lots of penalties... hands to the face and holding biggest among the errors they committed. Not a disciplined team. Edited August 17, 2019 by bdutton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Yeah, Buffalo is looking good. Waiting to see how the injury to McGhin turns out. He doesn't figure into the Bills' plans this season, but I think he's got the potential to want to stick him on the PS. Players at the bottom of the roster struggled, but not many of them will see the field in the regular season when it counts. Maybe a player here and there, but not en masse. Tyree Jackson is clearly not ready for the NFL. Buffalo could keep him on the PS just for his athleticism and size, but if Josh Allen misses more than a game, Buffalo will look for a street free agent as insurance against Matt Barkley getting hurt. If Christian Wade keeps playing the way he has, McDermott may be forced to figure out a way to get him on the active roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 If the defense can bring the pass rush and secondary get some turnovers... well, anything can happen. Im in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 27 minutes ago, CLTbills said: Just got home from the game about 20 minutes ago, wanted to see what everyone’s thoughts were. I’ll tell ya what. I don’t know how it looked on TV, but we looked REALLY good tonight. Absolutely dominated the panthers in all three phases. DB’s in particular looked really good in person. All of the Panthers fans around us were stunned at how good the Bills looked. I even heard a “I thought the Bills sucked?” From one pissed off fan. So so pumped for 2019. And by the way. Teams better find a way to stop Cole Beasley. He is going to be a MONSTER for us this year Yeah but when they manage to find a way to stop Beasley Brown might get open deep. 1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said: Bingo! I bet when you look back at those 4 - 0 pre-season teams that went 0 - 16 they played to win their pre-season games and kept their starters & back-ups in longer. Those teams knew they sucked and used pre-season wins to drive ticket sales. What I've observed through 2 pre-season games so far is a team that is working on stuff, evaluating players and still managing to win the game. This indicates talent & depth. Something I've not seen for the last 20 years. I think something that's important is that they were dominant early in the game with the 1st and 2nd teams it doesn't matter quite as much if your 3s and 4s are putting up points if your 1s and 2s aren't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 I haven’t even seen it yet, but in preseason....never too high, never too low. But it’s OK to enjoy the fun stuff! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 I can't believe anyone is still stupid enough to make judgments off this crap. They can only play who is put in front of them, and they have succeeded at that, which is great. I'm not holding that against them, they performed, and maybe they'd perform well against better talent. But it has just been two piles of ***** put in front of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 2 hours ago, nucci said: Preseason with no game planning...yes, they are more talented and look organized but let's wait for the real games You can see a clear talent gap. That carries over. We have top notch coaching. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Ol Dirty B said: I can't believe anyone is still stupid enough to make judgments off this crap. They can only play who is put in front of them, and they have succeeded at that, which is great. I'm not holding that against them, they performed, and maybe they'd perform well against better talent. But it has just been two piles of ***** put in front of them. Lol, a little over animated a bit here? I mean everyone gets its preseason, not sure why people always have to come in and flip out when people are enjoying seeing some positive signs out of the team. No one is fooling themselves as if this is a perfect test of their potential, but calm down as its ok to also be optimistic based off of encouraging signs. I mean its a helluva a lot better than looking bad out there lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Maybe a game they looked good, but consistently through multiple games not that I remember. I remember Trent Edwards and the D carving up the Steelers in a week 3 preseason game that was supposed to be a dress rehearsal. Now that is a memory, thought Edwards was the real deal after that game. But right now with them now looking solid in back to back weeks I feel like Ricky Bobby in Talladega nights not knowing what to do with my hands in an interview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Lol, a little over animated a bit here? I mean everyone gets its preseason, not sure why people always have to come in and flip out when people are enjoying seeing some positive signs out of the team. No one is fooling themselves as if this is a perfect test of their potential, but calm down as its ok to also be optimistic based off of encouraging signs. I mean its a helluva a lot better than looking bad out there lol I wouldn't really say I wqs animated, but any semblance of realism has been met hy crap like this in this thread so it's par for the course. Preseason doesn't mean anything to me, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Ol Dirty B said: I can't believe anyone is still stupid enough to make judgments off this crap. They can only play who is put in front of them, and they have succeeded at that, which is great. I'm not holding that against them, they performed, and maybe they'd perform well against better talent. But it has just been two piles of ***** put in front of them. So, if a QB is missing wide-open receivers by a good deal, regardless of "scheme" that wouldn't worry you? If a defense, regardless of "scheme", was getting gashed for 10+ yard runs routinely, that wouldn't worry you? If the team just appeared slow, out of sync, and out of position, that would't bother you? We all know that pre-season "doesn't mean anything"...but there ARE elements of pre-season that mean quite a bit...so much so that players get cut base on pre-season play. Yes, a team's pre-season win-loss record doesn't seem to have a correlation to win-loss record in the regular season, but this Bills team does seem to be deeper and more talented than recent years. Maybe just enjoy it? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: I can't believe anyone is still stupid enough to make judgments off this crap. They can only play who is put in front of them, and they have succeeded at that, which is great. I'm not holding that against them, they performed, and maybe they'd perform well against better talent. But it has just been two piles of ***** put in front of them. Damn...calm down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 hour ago, zevo said: For ***** sakes people...enjoy a real nfl qb for once...my god...it’s ok to be optimistic Many cannot accept that fact. They are too broken from the past and can't look forward. Allen plays good in a preseason game.................don't mean nothing. Allen plays bad in a preseason game................see i told you he sucks. Let them have their fun. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 I'm a believer that very little in preseason means anything, and for various different reasons. BUT... there are certain things in preseason that can be extrapolated to the regular season. One of them is Josh Allen throwing accurate short pass darts. That is going to be the same in the regular season because he has a cannon for an arm, and Cole Beasley has already shown that he can get open and make catches in real NFL games. If Matt Barkley makes a short completion or a longer one it doesnt at all mean he can do it in the regular season because he has a weak arm, and the throws he makes may indeed be different when the game is full speed. Yes, he had a good game against the Jets, but his arm is still a huge liability and it's the same one in his failed attempts in Philly and Chicago. Christian Wade may not break those tackles against starters but the catch, balance, acceleration and speed works against first stringers, too. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 I know you can't weight a preseason performance too much, but I remember watching too many Bills preseason games where the Bills' performance looked a lot like what Arizona was doing in the first half last night, and the starters looked like the Bills' third stringers tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 12 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Lol, a little over animated a bit here? I mean everyone gets its preseason, not sure why people always have to come in and flip out when people are enjoying seeing some positive signs out of the team. No one is fooling themselves as if this is a perfect test of their potential, but calm down as its ok to also be optimistic based off of encouraging signs. I mean its a helluva a lot better than looking bad out there lol As opposed to last preseason when we were wondering which QB we'd blindfold and put in front of a firing squad, I'd say it's an improvement. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Many cannot accept that fact. They are too broken from the past and can't look forward. Allen plays good in a preseason game.................don't mean nothing. Allen plays bad in a preseason game................see i told you he sucks. Let them have their fun. Well here's the thing. Allen CLEARLY is being coached to not do what he did last year, which is eschew the short throws for the downfield heaves. He's looking for the underneath stuff, the easy stuff, the pitch and catch. With his arm strength (and Beasley alluded to this) the ball will get there before the defense can react. The value in an arm that can get the ball 80 yards downfield isn't usually getting the ball 80 yards down the field - it's getting that 8 yard curl there .003 faster than it should. In the NFL, sometimes, that's all the difference you need. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: Just chill. Exactly.....how many times have we gone off the rails over a couple of preseason games just to be crushed in the regular season? Granted, the roster appears to be better and deeper, but let's wait until the games are real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Ol Dirty B said: I wouldn't really say I wqs animated, but any semblance of realism has been met hy crap like this in this thread so it's par for the course. Preseason doesn't mean anything to me, sorry. I get that, but just seemed like you were a bit worked up over it. I mean everyone should realize not to put too much stock in preseason, heck the 0-16 Lions were 4-0 in that years preseason. But it is nice to see the things we have been looking for in Josh, Cole, the run game, the D, etc. So I think its cool to enjoy the positive signs, albeit should always be done with some cautious optimism until they are truly tested in regular season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Yep.....pre seasons doesn't mean much....but given the option, I'd rather them look good.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 hour ago, I am the egg man said: No Luck, no Newton. Calm down. Didnt know Luck and Newton were the defensive stars missing that could have disrupted Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayray808 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Josh Allen made me TO cry today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 hour ago, offyourocker said: Did the Browns not go 4-0 in preseason once to end up 0-16 in regular season? Or am I grossly miss remembering something? No, it was the Lions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 I am very hopeful and excited for this upcoming season. Can't wait for it to start. However, I am not taking any stock in preseason. I usually never do. Peterman was Joe Montana in preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 45 minutes ago, Mc1320 said: Make some easy money - take the over on 6.5 wins. Its up to 7.5, biggest movers in Vegas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 2 hours ago, BillsQuebec said: I'm thinking about betting them to make the playoffs at +375 or to win the division at +1025. I've already wagered close to $7,000 to win $5,300 on them to win more than 6.5 games this year; I feel great about the bet despite Morse's injury. Nice. I'm on the over win total as well. But I got it at 7. Still liking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 I really can’t get too excited to see the defensive starters look a little shaky against Carolinas Allen. No cam or McCaffrey or Olsen and that kid moved the ball pretty good. Got to say I do love the Allen to Beasley connection though. Beasley is completely uncoverable at all times. He had every right to be upset about his usage in Dallas. As others have said he will be a huge key to Allen’s magical 60% completion (that so many benchmark if he’s a good QB or not) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I really can’t get too excited to see the defensive starters look a little shaky against Carolinas Allen. No cam or McCaffrey or Olsen and that kid moved the ball pretty good. They scored no points. The first series was three and out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: They scored no points. The first series was three and out. They were also going for it on 4th downs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: They were also going for it on 4th downs Which the defense stopped. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: Which the defense stopped. It’s not like I said they played a bad game or something. Just not going to be too excited about that performance against Carolinas backups 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 These guys look like they could win 6.5 games this year ?. But seriously, they do look good AND they haven’t played anyone. It means something but not everything. Blah blah blah cliche. Could have a top 15 defense and a top 20 offense, might get interesting. IF we stay healthy and players progress, I think the bills go all in for a Super Bowl run next season. Will still be on Allen’s rookie contract etc. might be a fun season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: Many cannot accept that fact. They are too broken from the past and can't look forward. Allen plays good in a preseason game.................don't mean nothing. Allen plays bad in a preseason game................see i told you he sucks. Let them have their fun. Yes! Time to live a little and have some optimism. Time to break the cycle of codependence from the past! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 2 hours ago, bdutton said: Lots of depth... good quality players at all levels except maybe TE. TE we are ok but not after the first or second string. One thing to take away from this is Carolina was not ready. lots of penalties... hands to the face and holding biggest among the errors they committed. Not a disciplined team. The Bills 2nd string had a ton of penalties in that 3rd quarter. 2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Many cannot accept that fact. They are too broken from the past and can't look forward. Allen plays good in a preseason game.................don't mean nothing. Allen plays bad in a preseason game................see i told you he sucks. Let them have their fun. What is wrong with that. If he played bad against scrubs, then obviously he sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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