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3 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

The Zay hate is strong in this one...

 

Wont lie... yeah, it is... 

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1 minute ago, MR8 said:

 

Wont lie... yeah, it is... 

 

You know he’s going to be one of our top 3 WR’s all season unless he gets injured, right? I’m just saying...well, hate is a powerful and exhausting emotion and it’s a long season.  Might want to try some transindental meditation?  Just lookin out for ya...😉

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13 minutes ago, MR8 said:

 

The feather he has in his cap is that McDermott and Beane have shown they tend to favor "their guys" and Zay is one of "their guys", and on top of that Josh targeted Zay 5 times in the first game... there is A LOT of comfort he has with Zay, and I don't think they'll move on from a guy that Josh trusts.  Whether or not we agree with that trust, if Josh likes him, he'll get every opportunity to prove he can be better than what we're seeing.

 

I would be perfectly fine with a Zay Jones cut, and move Foster into that #3 spot to grow into the role.  He too has been a bit of a disappointment thus far in camp and preseason, but his ceiling is light-years beyond Zay, and when forced into a starting role he took the bull by the horns.  I think hes a guy who needs to be pushed to rise to the occasion... so DO IT. 

 

Do you have some examples of McDermott/Beane favoring "their guys" over someone else?

 

Literally 90% of the roster is made-up of guys they brought in, and that includes EVERY SINGLE receiver we have.

Robert Foster is one of "their guys" just as much as Zay Jones.

 

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Not a fan of any depth chart that doesn't include McKenzie.  The guy just pops off the screen when you watch him. 

 

A little nervous about DE Johnson and LB Joseph - If they don't make the 53, I hope our staff feels they can sneak them onto the PS.

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Just now, SCBills said:

Not a fan of any depth chart that doesn't include McKenzie.  The guy just pops off the screen when you watch him. 

 

A little nervous about DE Johnson and LB Joseph - If they don't make the 53, I hope our staff feels they can sneak them onto the PS.


I just can't imagine a world where Vosean Joseph doesn't make this roster. This staff is not one to give up on a 5th round pick in his first year.

I think Joseph will be just like last year's 5th round pick, Siran Neal: He'll make the roster even though he doesn't play on defense because he contributes on special teams. Then, with a full offseason to bulk up and learn the nuances of the game better, he'll be ready to contribute on defense NEXT season.

Johnson, on the other hand, is more of an open question. I'd like to think that if it's a "tie" between him and Love, they'd go with Johnson, simply based on youth and upside.

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Posted (edited)

Just glancing, but I am thinking, based upon the talent spread now:

 

3 - ST (duh)

24 - OFF

(9 OL*, 6 WR, 4 RB, 2 QB, 3 TE*)

 

26 - DEF

(9 DL, 7 LB, 10 DB)

 

*  with the wild card being whether they want to keep 1 additional TE and/or 1 additional OL, which I think they would either take from LB or D line.

 

EDIT:  Something has to shake out with Love, Johnson and Yarborough.  I know you can PS Johnson, but man if he keeps playing like he did on Thursday...seriously he is going to be gone like that LB (Lee?) that went to NE from our PS.

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46 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The only mistake is Ray2 over McKenzie. They keep McCloud on this team they'll regret it.

Don't worry Sills V is sneaking up the chart, neither will probably make it then.

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Quick look to me says:

Depth lacking at LB

So much depth at OL and in the Secondary. 

12 WR! 

 

May the best men win. 

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12 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

You know he’s going to be one of our top 3 WR’s all season unless he gets injured, right? I’m just saying...well, hate is a powerful and exhausting emotion and it’s a long season.  Might want to try some transindental meditation?  Just lookin out for ya...😉

 

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14 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

Do you have some examples of McDermott/Beane favoring "their guys" over someone else?

 

Literally 90% of the roster is made-up of guys they brought in, and that includes EVERY SINGLE receiver we have.

Robert Foster is one of "their guys" just as much as Zay Jones.

 

 

You mean like signing Panthers guys McDermott loves that  Mike Tolbert, Star Lotulelei, Dean Marlowe, Kurt Coleman, Captain Munnerlyn, Derek Anderson,.... I mean do I really need to keep going?

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4 minutes ago, Bakin said:

Quick look to me says:

Depth lacking at LB

So much depth at OL and in the Secondary. 

12 WR! 

 

May the best men win. 

 

Depth lacking at LB??  Care to expound?  I see tons of depth.  

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58 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The only mistake is Ray2 over McKenzie. They keep McCloud on this team they'll regret it.

Agreed.  

15 minutes ago, MR8 said:

 

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You mean like signing Panthers guys McDermott loves that  Mike Tolbert, Star Lotulelei, Dean Marlowe, Kurt Coleman, Captain Munnerlyn, Derek Anderson,.... I mean do I really need to keep going?

When did Zay play for the Panthers?

 

 

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33 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

You know he’s going to be one of our top 3 WR’s all season unless he gets injured, right? I’m just saying...well, hate is a powerful and exhausting emotion and it’s a long season.  Might want to try some transindental meditation?  Just lookin out for ya...😉

 

Or a good bong hit in the AM with a strong cup of coffee   :lol: 

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1 hour ago, MJS said:

He had a drop in a preseason game. I think he'll be ok.

 

I'd agree but we have a full season of tape with him dropping the ball showing this is a consistent problem.

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5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 

When did Zay play for the Panthers?

 

 

 

I have no idea what you're even talking about.... I never said Zay did... but Zay is a McDermott guy since they traded up to draft him, it's pretty obvious he highly values him.

 

But I honestly have no idea what you're getting at here. 

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2 minutes ago, MR8 said:

 

I have no idea what you're even talking about.... I never said Zay did... but Zay is a McDermott guy since they traded up to draft him, it's pretty obvious he highly values him.

 

But I honestly have no idea what you're getting at here. 

Did you not read the post you were quoting?  Foster is a McDermott guy.  So is Cam Phillips and Ray Ray McCloud.  Every player that’s has only been on the Bills, is a McBeane player.  

 

So, you’re saying that Zay is MORE of a McBeane guy that Robert Foster?  I don’t understand 

5 minutes ago, MR8 said:

 

I have no idea what you're even talking about.... I never said Zay did... but Zay is a McDermott guy since they traded up to draft him, it's pretty obvious he highly values him.

 

But I honestly have no idea what you're getting at here. 

Or do you have to be traded up for to be a true McBeane guy?

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43 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

You know he’s going to be one of our top 3 WR’s all season unless he gets injured, right? I’m just saying...well, hate is a powerful and exhausting emotion and it’s a long season.  Might want to try some transindental meditation?  Just lookin out for ya...😉

 

You aren't wrong but what out of this analysis did you disagree with? To be a WR you have to catch the ball and Zay just has real issues. Maybe it is mental and he needs to get over it but he hasn't shown that he is over it yet. Guy is 50/50 to catch the ball when it matters. Like 3rd down or in the redzone/endzone.

 

57 minutes ago, MR8 said:

 

I'm pretty done with Zay.  He had a disaster of a rookie season, and while he bounced back pretty well least year, he was still unremarkable and never made a statement that he was "sure handed". 

 

I don't want to make an entire case about why he should be cut based on 1 preseason game, so I am not going to make that the only evidence that he hasn't progressed, but the drop at the goal line was just another example of what we've consistently seen from him for 2 seasons.

 

On top of that there have been murmurs that in TC he has been unremarkable and hasn't separated himself there either.  

 

The feather he has in his cap is that McDermott and Beane have shown they tend to favor "their guys" and Zay is one of "their guys", and on top of that Josh targeted Zay 5 times in the first game... there is A LOT of comfort he has with Zay, and I don't think they'll move on from a guy that Josh trusts.  Whether or not we agree with that trust, if Josh likes him, he'll get every opportunity to prove he can be better than what we're seeing.

 

I would be perfectly fine with a Zay Jones cut, and move Foster into that #3 spot to grow into the role.  He too has been a bit of a disappointment thus far in camp and preseason, but his ceiling is light-years beyond Zay, and when forced into a starting role he took the bull by the horns.  I think hes a guy who needs to be pushed to rise to the occasion... so DO IT. 

 

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1 hour ago, Flip Johnson said:

The idea that this chart has any real reflection on the battles at OL, TE, RB, and WR is just not realistic.

I expect the Bills are spending roughly 30-60 seconds updating this each week.

I tend to agree.  I believe the Bills are trying a bunch of guys at various positions on the OL to see what they have in case of injury not to mention the current injuries.  Nothing like game action to evaluate players,  I thought the starting OL against the Colts was pretty stout.

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11 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Did you not read the post you were quoting?  Foster is a McDermott guy.  So is Cam Phillips and Ray Ray McCloud.  Every player that’s has only been on the Bills, is a McBeane player.  

 

So, you’re saying that Zay is MORE of a McBeane guy that Robert Foster?  I don’t understand 

 

Zay getting extra chances when showing just as little in preseason and TC as foster, yet being #2 with Foster not even getting rotations in the spot is proof that McDermott values him more.   For quick Clarity I'm saying #2 WR but by that I mean the outside WR opposite Brown... Who is #1, #2, #3 based on targets etc is academic until the season starts.

 

I've seen nothing, read nothing, and heard nothing to say Zay has earned the #2 spot over anyone.  Outside of Brown and Beasley, I've read and seen nothing but inconsistency from the other WRs... Honestly I've been more impressed with Ray Ray and McKenzie than Zay or Foster to this point.

 

However both Zay and Foster have those higher ceilings than Ray Ray or McKenzie, and neither Ray Ray or McKenzie have the size or skill set necessary to play the outside like a #2 WR needs to do.  So you settle back to "who will be the #2 WR" Zay gets every look despite lackluster performance in TC and now his first outing in preseason.  Foster has been about the same up and down and doesn't get rotated in with the 1s...

 

To me that says Zay is a favorite.  If you don't agree, that's your call.

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1 minute ago, MR8 said:

 

Zay getting extra chances when showing just as little in preseason and TC as foster, yet being #2 with Foster not even getting rotations in the spot is proof that McDermott values him more.   For quick Clarity I'm saying #2 WR but by that I mean the outside WR opposite Brown... Who is #1, #2, #3 based on targets etc is academic until the season starts.

 

I've seen nothing, read nothing, and heard nothing to say Zay has earned the #2 spot over anyone.  Outside of Brown and Beasley, I've read and seen nothing but inconsistency from the other WRs... Honestly I've been more impressed with Ray Ray and McKenzie than Zay or Foster to this point.

 

However both Zay and Foster have those higher ceilings than Ray Ray or McKenzie, and neither Ray Ray or McKenzie have the size or skill set necessary to play the outside like a #2 WR needs to do.  So you settle back to "who will be the #2 WR" Zay gets every look despite lackluster performance in TC and now his first outing in preseason.  Foster has been about the same up and down and doesn't get rotated in with the 1s...

 

To me that says Zay is a favorite.  If you don't agree, that's your call.

You won’t read or hear anything like that for anyone because it has not been established. I have seen and read a lot about Zay having a strong camp  though.

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45 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

Depth lacking at LB??  Care to expound?  I see tons of depth.  

 

I’m in the middle here. We have three solid starters. Stanford filled in well at times last year. Thompson has shown growth and could be Lorax replacement. VoJo/Lacey duking it out for the 6th LB.

 

i don’t think we have tons of depth. We’ve got a good group though, albeit unproven behind our starters 

1 minute ago, loyal2dagame said:

Nobody has brought up Robert Foster? He's not even listed.  What gives. 

 

Listed right behind John Brown 

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2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

I wouldn't be so pretentious and or confident in the many posters here.

 

I could "guess" maybe 30 of the 53 with certainty. 

:)

 

30?! That’s super weak. There are 26 starters listed. You couldn’t get more than 4 more correct? 

 

Billz n00b

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2 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

 

Listed right behind John Brown 

This depth chart is so "unofficial" that it's a Chinese knockoff. 

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Just now, loyal2dagame said:

This depth chart is so "unofficial" that it's a Chinese knockoff. 

 

Roster version of Replithentic? 

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31 minutes ago, DieHardBillsFan said:

 

You aren't wrong but what out of this analysis did you disagree with? To be a WR you have to catch the ball and Zay just has real issues. Maybe it is mental and he needs to get over it but he hasn't shown that he is over it yet. Guy is 50/50 to catch the ball when it matters. Like 3rd down or in the redzone/endzone.

 

 

 

I disagree with the notion that anyone can be “pretty done” with Zay Jones.  He’s had his hands issues, but the kid is entering his 3rd season and had a pretty darn good season last year (all things considered...the abortion that was our offense).  By all accounts, he has had a tremendous camp and busted his ass in the offseason.

 

I guess I’m thinking that Zay deserves at least this season to piss or get off the pot.  If he can’t perform with, you know, a good offensive line, decent WR’s and TE’s around him, a respectable running game??  Then let’s start talking about whether or not we’re “done” with him.

 

JMHO

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