Who Should Be Next On The Wall Of Fame?

[RyanTalbotBills]

Appreciate the article being shared. I agree that it is confusing as to why Butch Byrd has not been added to the Wall. He was the recipient of the Ralph C. Wilson Jr. Distinguished Service Award back in 1994, but many of the other winners have also been named to the Wall of Fame.

[Kirby Jackson]

43 minutes ago, BillyWhiteShows said:

 

It’s a tough situation because if you look at what he did on the field, he deserves it.  But it won’t look good to celebrate someone that pleaded guilty to sexual misconduct in the same city.   Plus the team has its own rumored recent history of misconduct and bad behavior among the administration (who have since been fired).  

 

I don’t think you can put Bennett on the wall in 2019.  The moment they do, the team will be flooded with complaints from fans, journalists and maybe even sponsors.  I think he’ll get on the wall at some point, but that it won’t happen this year 

I’d agree if OJ wasn’t up there.

[Beast]

By the way, the right answer to this question is Joe Devlin. The fact that he’s not up there already is embarrassing.

[BillyWhiteShows]

4 minutes ago, RyanTalbotBills said:

Appreciate the article being shared. I agree that it is confusing as to why Butch Byrd has not been added to the Wall. He was the recipient of the Ralph C. Wilson Jr. Distinguished Service Award back in 1994, but many of the other winners have also been named to the Wall of Fame.

 

@RyanTalbotBills Great article that I thought would create some good dialogue here.  In all actuality though, do you think it’s realistic for Bennett to go on the Wall in 2019?

 

 I think there would be some major backlash given the off the field stuff that happened in Buffalo year ago.  

[RyanTalbotBills]

Just now, BillyWhiteShows said:

 

@RyanTalbotBills Great article that I thought would create some good dialogue here.  In all actuality though, do you think it’s realistic for Bennett to go on the Wall in 2019?

 

 I think there would be some major backlash given the off the field stuff that happened in Buffalo year ago.  

I think it's fair to assume Bennett has a while to wait. He almost joined the Wall a few years back when Van Miller was selected, but I believe that was before the Pegula regime. The article was based solely on on-field performance which is why I had him at No. 1.

[Beast]

22 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Moorman. Best player on basically every bills team from 2000-2010. It not his fault the rest of the team stunk. It’s not the punters fault, that the best player on the team is a punter. Elite in his position group in regards to the rest of the league and easily the best and most consistent Bill for an entire decade.

 

This is why nobody takes you seriously.

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

This is why nobody takes you seriously.

 

It was sad when he was our Pro Bowl representative, then got BLOWN UP! 

 

But he was the best player on the team for quite a while. It may have been all the game day practice he got. 

[Beast]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

It was sad when he was our Pro Bowl representative, then got BLOWN UP! 

 

But he was the best player on the team for quite a while. It may have been all the game day practice he got. 

 

The way I see it, Augie is that if Moorman was the best player on the team, he would have been starting somewhere on offense or defense. Was he a good punter? Yeah, OK. He was a good punter. To me, that’s like saying Frank Reich was a good holder.

 

Say what you will about the lack of success on those Bills teams when Moorman was here but they still had some good players who weren’t skinny little guys that kicked a football.

 

And, yeah, Sean Taylor laid him out. Yowza. That hit made Greg Cater hurt.

Edited May 30, 2019 by Binghamton Beast

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

The way I see it, Angie is that if Moorman was the best player on the team, he would have been starting somewhere on offense or defense. Was he a good punter? Yeah, OK. He was a good punter. To me, that’s like saying Frank Reich was a good holder.

 

Say what you will about the lack of success on those Bills teams when Moorman was here but they still had some good players who weren’t skinny little guys that kicked a football.

 

And, yeah, Sean Taylor laid him out. Yowza. That hit made Greg Cater hurt.

 

I admire him for his ability, and his endurance! Rarely has a punter ever been used so much! 

 

Keep that head on a swivel! 

 

I’m not advocating for putting him on the wall before some FAR more deserving players. 

 

[Paup 1995MVP]

Terrence McGhee should be given consideration.  Was the best kick returner in team history.  And one of the best all time in the NFL.  Was also a very good CB.  And played and acted like a leader and a champion.

[17years&waiting]

1 hour ago, vorpma said:

Saban and Gilchrist; not a chance dude!

 

I don't think Gilchrist played with the team long enough, nor are his stats particularly overwhelming (I'd say that if Cookie is on the wall, then Fred, Shady, and Joe Cribbs should be, too).

 

Saban quit on the team twice.  I don't care if that was because of Ralph Wilson, he still quit on my team.

 

I wouldn't have put either on the wall.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

21 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

The way I see it, Angie is that if Moorman was the best player on the team, he would have been starting somewhere on offense or defense. Was he a good punter? Yeah, OK. He was a good punter. To me, that’s like saying Frank Reich was a good holder.

 

Say what you will about the lack of success on those Bills teams when Moorman was here but they still had some good players who weren’t skinny little guys that kicked a football.

 

And, yeah, Sean Taylor laid him out. Yowza. That hit made Greg Cater hurt.

Starting somewhere else? And you think people don’t take me seriously? Yeah you’re right. They should have probably played him at linebacker. Him being an all pro level player for a decade at his position wasn’t good enough because he only punted. Ray Guy made it into the hall of fame but they must have really had a tough time voting him in. If the guy was a great player, he should have started somewhere on offense or defense. The sad truth is almost no players from 2000-now are truly deserving of the wall IMO. Kyle will get there but other then him, it’s just Moornan. The wall is about longevity and consistently excellent production. Sorry that you don’t value his position. 

[Beast]

29 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Starting somewhere else? And you think people don’t take me seriously? Yeah you’re right. They should have probably played him at linebacker. Him being an all pro level player for a decade at his position wasn’t good enough because he only punted. Ray Guy made it into the hall of fame but they must have really had a tough time voting him in. If the guy was a great player, he should have started somewhere on offense or defense. The sad truth is almost no players from 2000-now are truly deserving of the wall IMO. Kyle will get there but other then him, it’s just Moornan. The wall is about longevity and consistently excellent production. Sorry that you don’t value his position. 

 

Like I said, this is why nobody can take you serious.

[jaclynrea21]

Me

[Utah John]

The biggest drawback to Ron McDole is that he got traded to Washington and got more attention there.  I'm pretty sure it was the disastrous John Rauch who sent McDole away.  He was a great player and a great Bill.  I'd like to see him on the Wall just to lay some claim to him as a Bill.  Most people around the country only know him as a Redskin.

 

I'm always amazed that Cornelius Bennett isn't given more props.  Someone said earlier that adding him was what turned the good Bills defense into a great defense, and that was right.  He got moved to middle linebacker, which was a waste of his natural talent and speed.  

 

I don't understand why Hansen is there if Schobel isn't.  Schobel was a much better player.

 

Gilchrist is there because he was just so dominating.  I think he was the second best RB in Bills history, behind only OJ.  He was a PITA and so he got traded but it wasn't for a lack of talent or production.  

 

Finally, my top choice is Fred Jackson.  The Wall isn't a watered-down HOF, it's for the players who had the most impact on the Bills and the community.  Jackson won't ever make the HOF but I have never seen any Bill play with more heart and passion.  

[RiotAct]

Vontae Davis

[947]

I love Fred Jackson as much as the rest of this board. Great guy & very solid player, but there is no way he should be considered for the WOF. He only had one 1,000 yard season, scored 37 TDs as a Bill, never made a Pro Bowl, and never played in a playoff game (for us).

 

Biscuit is a no-doubter, 2x DPOY in addition to everything else. Who cares what he did off the field.

 

Byrd & Kyle should be up there.

Edited May 30, 2019 by 947

[US Egg]

The Rolling Stones.

[Boatdrinks]

13 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:

The Rolling Stones.

Well, they have played 5 concerts at Rich/ RWS/ NEF . Not many bands can say that , so I’d have to agree they are worthy of the wall. Mick’s wisecrack during the 2015 show about staying in the “ Tom Brady suite “ at a local hotel with an under inflated pillow was hysterically on point. 

[Chandler#81]

Byrd, Biscuit & Jerry Butler.

[uticaclub]

5 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said:

If anyone says Brian Moorman they should be banned.

He was legitimately our best player for a few seasons

[Doc Brown]

I was always a big Will Wolford fan.  Pry didn't play here long enough though.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

In the following order:

 

Byrd

Brown

Bennett

Moulds

Williams and Jackson in a few years

 

In that order.  Schobel racked up stats and was consistent and underappreciated. I'm just not sure he was every truly dominant.  That said he is more deserving than Hansen (see below). 

Fred Jackson.  Great story and in the end he accumulated a lot of yards.  He will be on the wall one day and perhaps deservedly so given his commitment to the team during some really bad years.  

 

Take down Talley, Ferguson, Hansen, and Ritcher as none of these guys were truly transcendent players.   They were all good and played lots of games but never were even close to the best at their position at any time in their careers.  Hard to argue they were even in the top 10 at their position when they were at there best.

  

And time to get rid of OJ.  His stats will live and he will be in the debate for top 5 RB of all time.  But there is no reason to continue to glorify the person.  It's not a record book it's a wall of fame. 

 

[MJS]

Eric Moulds would be sweet. In my opinion, he's the most talented receiver to ever play for the Bills.

 

Kyle Williams will obviously get in. Reuben Brown should have awhile ago.

 

I'm on the fence with Fred Jackson. Heart and soul of the team. Great leader. Best player on a bunch of crappy teams. Great story. But overall as a running back, he was just a little above average. Didn't have great production. Was never considered elite. Not sure he is deserving strictly from his play. Question is, do the intangibles, leadership, etc. bridge that gap?

5 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Terrence McGhee should be given consideration.  Was the best kick returner in team history.  And one of the best all time in the NFL.  Was also a very good CB.  And played and acted like a leader and a champion.

Yes. Forgot about him. He's an excellent choice. 2x time all pro.

Edited May 30, 2019 by MJS

[MJS]

7 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said:

If anyone says Brian Moorman they should be banned.

Oh, and Brian Moorman too. Absolutely belongs. All pro, plus a pro bowler. He was truly elite at his position. Not sure why anyone trashes him just for being a punter. He was also a team leader and an excellent teammate. Plus he played in Buffalo for so many years. I'd put other guys in ahead of him, but I'd like to see him in eventually.

 

2× Pro Bowl (2005, 2006)

2× First-team All-Pro (2005, 2006)

2× Longest Punt in NFL (2002, 2009)

1× NFL Yards per Punt Leader (2005)

Bills record for longest punt (84 yards, 2002)

NFL 2000s All-Decade Team

Buffalo Bills 50th Anniversary Team

Edited May 30, 2019 by MJS

[Dr.Sack]

Leon Seals

[Punching Bag]

7 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said:

If anyone says Brian Moorman they should be banned.

 

Sure as long as those who posted idiotic (this is a difference between funny and idiotic) 1st.

[GunnerBill]

The people who want to take people down (other than the obvious one) always miss the point of the wall to me. It is about more than just stats or just performance. It is about that intangible of embodying a Buffalo Bill. I'd put Fred Jackson on the wall tomorrow. And then I'd put Kyle up there the day after.  

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Josh Allen

 

 

[Nextmanup]

Josh Allen.

 

 

[Chandler#81]

4 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I was always a big Will Wolford fan.  Pry didn't play here long enough though.

1st casualty of FA. Polian had jumped ship and knew how his contract was structured. The League changed the rule after Bill’s shenanigans.

3 hours ago, MJS said:

Oh, and Brian Moorman too. Absolutely belongs. All pro, plus a pro bowler. He was truly elite at his position. Not sure why anyone trashes him just for being a punter. He was also a team leader and an excellent teammate. Plus he played in Buffalo for so many years. I'd put other guys in ahead of him, but I'd like to see him in eventually.

 

2× Pro Bowl (2005, 2006)

2× First-team All-Pro (2005, 2006)

2× Longest Punt in NFL (2002, 2009)

1× NFL Yards per Punt Leader (2005)

Bills record for longest punt (84 yards, 2002)

NFL 2000s All-Decade Team

Buffalo Bills 50th Anniversary Team

Pffft. Macguire goes up before Moorman and neither are going up.

[ALLEN1QB]

Doug Flutie

[Bill from NYC]

13 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

Aaron Schobel DEFINITELY belongs up there.  Nine-year career Bill.  Played 16 games in 8 of those seasons, amassing 78 sacks.

Absolutely!

 

There were times when he was the only good pass rusher on the team. He was always doubled and still made plays with his blazing speed. I can only imagine what his stats would look like on a better team with better coaching.

6 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

 

In that order.  Schobel racked up stats and was consistent and underappreciated. I'm just not sure he was every truly dominant.  That said he is more deserving than Hansen

 

I fully agree. Hansen was very good but he played alongside of great pass rushers such as Bruce Smith and Bryce Paup.

[Chandler#81]

16 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Absolutely!

 

There were times when he was the only good pass rusher on the team. He was always doubled and still made plays with his blazing speed. I can only imagine what his stats would look like on a better team with better coaching.

I fully agree. Hansen was very good but he played alongside of great pass rushers such as Bruce Smith and Bryce Paup.

 

This ^^ is why so many think he’s undeserving of the Wall. I completely disagree, though acknowledge I was a little surprised how quickly he was honored. Routinely Drafting as late as #31, the Bills were very good at landing talent. Henry Jones, JD Williams, John Fina, Thomas Smith, Jeff Burris, Ruben Brown and then Moulds. That Hansen was our 2nd Rounder in ‘91 seems to also be in play with this ‘he’s not worthy’ crowd. But he is! All Rookie 1st team, he was thrown into the fire with Bruce’s serious knee injury defending our 1st Conf. Title. He played exceptional -if still overlooked. Every year after, he played better and with more desire than anyone else on the Defense. At least once a game he could be seen swooping in from behind the play to tackle a running back, TE or WR short of the 1st Down marker. EVERY GAME. Usually more than once. Then he made singular game-changing plays throughout his career. Humble & quiet by nature, he rarely got press time, but he was as important to the team throughout his whole career as any other player. He deserves the recognition.

 

I’ll get off my soapbox now. He AIN’T comin’ down! 

[Bill from NYC]

1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said:

 

This ^^ is why so many think he’s undeserving of the Wall. I completely disagree, though acknowledge I was a little surprised how quickly he was honored. Routinely Drafting as late as #31, the Bills were very good at landing talent. Henry Jones, JD Williams, John Fina, Thomas Smith, Jeff Burris, Ruben Brown and then Moulds. That Hansen was our 2nd Rounder in ‘91 seems to also be in play with this ‘he’s not worthy’ crowd. But he is! All Rookie 1st team, he was thrown into the fire with Bruce’s serious knee injury defending our 1st Conf. Title. He played exceptional -if still overlooked. Every year after, he played better and with more desire than anyone else on the Defense. At least once a game he could be seen swooping in from behind the play to tackle a running back, TE or WR short of the 1st Down marker. EVERY GAME. Usually more than once. Then he made singular game-changing plays throughout his career. Humble & quiet by nature, he rarely got press time, but he was as important to the team throughout his whole career as any other player. He deserves the recognition.

 

I’ll get off my soapbox now. He AIN’T comin’ down! 

You left out that he hit as hard as a truck.  

 

Where did I say that I want him to come down? It is just my opinion that Schobel was a better defensive end. Phil was an excellent player who I appreciated watching.

[wppete]

Fred

[Rico]

25 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

You left out that he hit as hard as a truck.  

 

Where did I say that I want him to come down? It is just my opinion that Schobel was a better defensive end. Phil was an excellent player who I appreciated watching.

Too bad they didn’t have next-gen stats when Schobel was playing, I would have liked to seen how many yards he ran around LT without getting close to the QB.

[Bill from NYC]

49 minutes ago, Rico said:

Too bad they didn’t have next-gen stats when Schobel was playing, I would have liked to seen how many yards he ran around LT without getting close to the QB.

Yes because Jauron had him lining up so wide he was close to the sideline on some plays. He would also put him in coverage when he was virtually the only good pass rusher on the team. These were horrible days for the Bills.

He produced quite a bit for us, can you imagine him with good players around him? Hansen had Bruce playing the other side. Schobel had Kelsay.

[eball]

Biscuit, Butch Byrd, Kyle Williams.

 

Just say no to Fred, and any other drought-era Bills.  Kyle made it to the playoffs.

[Malazan]

18 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said:

If anyone says Brian Moorman they should be banned.

 

Scott Norwood