Rocket94 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 5 hours ago, wppete said: That man talks a lot of Sh*t Yes, and who goes around saying they belong in the Hall of Fame? It used to be an honor. 10 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Probably not the best litmus test. The Redskins have a way of picking up greats in the sunset of their careers and expect the guys to be in their prime - Deion Sanders, Bruce Smith, Donovan McNabb, Albert Haynesworth. There is probably more, but those came to mind. Or Matt Millens obsession with wr's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 This is a great topic; one that could segue into another, related, conversation. What if McNabb was on the Cowboys? Hell ... what if Marino or Kelly were on the Cowboys or the Giants? We judge QBs on wins, losses and post season success (Super Bowls). Can you imagine Marino with a running game? Or Kelly with a decent head coach? Who's to say McNabb, on a better team, wouldn't have been - in our eyes - phenomenal? I don't think McNabb is a Hall of Famer. But I do think that, in a better situation, he could have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted May 25, 2019 Author Share Posted May 25, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Gugny said: This is a great topic; one that could segue into another, related, conversation. What if McNabb was on the Cowboys? Hell ... what if Marino or Kelly were on the Cowboys or the Giants? We judge QBs on wins, losses and post season success (Super Bowls). Can you imagine Marino with a running game? Or Kelly with a decent head coach? Who's to say McNabb, on a better team, wouldn't have been - in our eyes - phenomenal? I don't think McNabb is a Hall of Famer. But I do think that, in a better situation, he could have been. Every one of your scenarios changes everything. ex, then Marino wouldn't have thrown as much . You can't alter history and say a "what if" However I understand what your saying. Edited May 25, 2019 by Mike in Horseheads 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stallions Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 5 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: He was throwing to James Trash and Todd Stinkson for much of his career, so he gets a slight pass. Hall of Famer? Absolutely not. McNabb is the personification of a "good" quarterback. Nothing exceptional about his career. Agree - - - absolutely NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Do you guys think Big Ben is a HOFer? I think he and McNabb had basically the same level of impact on a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberTheRockpile Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 28 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said: Do you guys think Big Ben is a HOFer? I think he and McNabb had basically the same level of impact on a game. I don't think Big Ben is a HOFer. I consider Steve McNair and Daunte Culpepper better than McNabb but wouldn't put them in the Hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills11 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 No McNabb was a very good qb alex Smith like ..but no he was not a hall of fame qb and him quoting numbers without context is really disingenuous..aikman is in the hall of fame due to his playoff prowess just like Terry Bradshaw ..Ryan Fitzpatrick also has more TDS then aikman for reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 He was good not HOF worthy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills11 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 2 hours ago, TheBrownBear said: Do you guys think Big Ben is a HOFer? I think he and McNabb had basically the same level of impact on a game. Ben is better than McNabb was plus the two superbowls get him in ..not saying Ben is superb but he's much more accurate then McNabb was imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 9 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said: Even with a SB win you don't get in by just for being above average. Phil Simms was SB XXI MVP and played most of the season on another champion and will never get in. It does. and countering this, Dan Fouts never played in a Super Bowl but was enshrined his 1st year of eligibility. Playoffs/SBs/teammates are considered -don’t think they’re not, but it’s mainly Eye Test. Fouts passed the Eye Test as a threat to score on every drive. Donovan didn’t. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Not even close to being worthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 6 hours ago, TheBrownBear said: Do you guys think Big Ben is a HOFer? I think he and McNabb had basically the same level of impact on a game. Donovan McNabb couldn’t carry Big Ben’s jockstrap. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 I really liked him in Philly and thought he was a difference maker who won games a mediocre Eagles team should have lost. The nagging question for me is why did he fail so badly once he left Philly? He was terrible in Washington and Minnesota. If had succeeded on more than one team I'd consider him. I am not a fan of Aikman in the HOF either. Kerry Collins could have won 3 SBs on those Cowboy teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Nah. I’d say he falls somewhere between Drew Bledsoe and Alex Smith. Pretty good player. Team won a lot. Was a pretty big part of the reason the team won. One of the 5-10 best QBs in that decade of his prime. Crossed paths with hall of fame QBs on both ends of his career so he was never really THE best of the best. Not hall of fame IMO. Not really even that close if I’m being completely honest. Unfortunately you didn’t want to be a fringe guy right before the passing numbers exploded because history is going to forget you. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Toll Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 I actually went and looked at the list of QBs in the HoF from the modern era and it really hit me with how short the list is. After viewing it, he really doesn’t stack up as a Hall of Famer. He possibly could have been if he had made things work with TO, but after the team suspended TO Donovan’s career was forgettable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Really good QB. Not HOF. McNabb wasnt among the best QB’s of his era - Favre, Manning, Brady, Brees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 2 hours ago, stuvian said: I really liked him in Philly and thought he was a difference maker who won games a mediocre Eagles team should have lost. The nagging question for me is why did he fail so badly once he left Philly? He was terrible in Washington and Minnesota. If had succeeded on more than one team I'd consider him. I am not a fan of Aikman in the HOF either. Kerry Collins could have won 3 SBs on those Cowboy teams The answer to why he failed when out of Philadelphia is pretty obvious-he was done. Players fall off the face of the earth at different ages. McNabb just stayed too long after his physical abilities left him. We've seen this before with players a lot better than McNabb: Namath in Los Angeles, Unitas in San Diego, Archie Manning with Houson & Minnesota. I can even cite a lesser QB who won a Super Bowl, Jim McMahon who bounced around a few seasons after leaving the Bears and our own Joe Ferguson, who had to have his uniform torn off his back playing 6 more years as a backup with 3 teams well after his prime. Fergy even tried a stint as a backup 5 years after he left the NFL with San Antonio's CFL Texans coached by Kay Stephenson. These old QBs just don't know when it's time to hang it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 No. I put him in the Hall of “Good for a period of time”. That is below the “Hall of Very Good” and miles away from the HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 I'd take Joe Ferguson over McNabb any day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Mark Clayton is more HOF worthy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 18 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: Mark Clayton is more HOF worthy. ...before Marshawn??......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 McNabb was better in Madden than he was in real life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Hall of Very Good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Defense Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 He seemed like he was missing that edge, sometimes seeming lackadaisical even in big games. Maybe a bit like Bledsoe? He was a good player, very good maybe, but not an NFL Hall of Fame caliber player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 19 hours ago, Gugny said: McNabb is a first ballot Hall of Very Good candidate. He's not a Hall of Famer. Bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 5 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said: Donovan McNabb couldn’t carry Big Ben’s jockstrap. ..LMAO....'Cuse on the Loose (lipped)"............... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 No but he had a better career (better number than Jim Kelly) than most people realize. Always seemed to come up short in big spots thought. And if TO was such a selfish prick, they could have be a special combo. Also, he stole pizza from me at Syracuse football camp. That alone disqualifies him. 6 hours ago, oldmanfan said: Not even close to being worthy https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McNaDo00.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KellJi00.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 ...lay low and let the Hall decide or even the Vet Committee versus self proclaimed validity......how long did it take Art Monk?..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 19 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said: Troy Aikman Super Bowl wins 3, Donovan McNabb Super Bowl wins 0 Another reason to never use QB stats when comparing careers. Have to think about it for more than 2 seconds? no.... have to use somewhat useful stats to back it up? ***** no.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 31 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: No but he had a better career (better number than Jim Kelly) than most people realize. Always seemed to come up short in big spots thought. And if TO was such a selfish prick, they could have be a special combo. Also, he stole pizza from me at Syracuse football camp. That alone disqualifies him. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McNaDo00.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KellJi00.htm Numbers are not the whole story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, TheBrownBear said: Do you guys think Big Ben is a HOFer? I think he and McNabb had basically the same level of impact on a game. Big Ben has two Super Bowl rings, three AFC titles, engineered a game winning drive in a Super Bowl, and almost pulled off a Super Bowl comeback drive against Green Bay. McNabb puked in the Super Bowl. Literally https://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Yes_McNabb_puked_at_Super_Bowl_ex-fullback_says.html Edited May 25, 2019 by /dev/null Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 19 hours ago, whatdrought said: 5 out of 4 Philadelphians said no and that’s he’s garbage. In fairness, these are the same fans who booed when McNabb was drafted because they wanted Ricky Williams (how did that one work out for Mike Ditka?). That said, I agree with the many who have already stated that McNabb belongs in the 'Hall of Very Good'. To me, he was the precursor to an Andy Dalton type...good enough to keep you competitive but not good enough to take you to 'The Promised Land'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 34 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Numbers are not the whole story. Agreed but it gives context. Those Bills teams were absolutely loaded. Kelly was kinda terrible in the playoffs. It wasnt to put down Kelly but McNabb is much closer to Kelly than some folks will admit here. He had a very good career. Not HOF but very good. To completely dismiss him is wrong. 18 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: He averaged roughly 23 TD's and 10 picks a season in a pass happy Andy Reid offense. He was a solid runner, but he also took a ton of sacks behind a decent line. Much of that can be attributed to his subpar offensive weapons, but he held on to the ball way too long for my taste. Maybe better than good all things considered, but not a HOF'er. Fair or not, a Superbowl win would probably give him a stronger case, so I agree with you there. Fair points. I also remember besides that year with TO he had some garbage receivers - James Thrash, Freddie Mitchell. Absolute trash for a while. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 20 hours ago, whatdrought said: 5 out of 4 Philadelphians said no and that’s he’s garbage. 5 out of 4 philly people are morons. ? 20 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said: Troy Aikman Super Bowl wins 3, Donovan McNabb Super Bowl wins 0 Another reason to never use QB stats when comparing careers. I’m not sure what this means. Do you think Joe Flacco and Eli Manning are better than Jim Kelly and Dan Marino? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 42 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: In fairness, these are the same fans who booed when McNabb was drafted because they wanted Ricky Williams (how did that one work out for Mike Ditka?). That said, I agree with the many who have already stated that McNabb belongs in the 'Hall of Very Good'. To me, he was the precursor to an Andy Dalton type...good enough to keep you competitive but not good enough to take you to 'The Promised Land'. Good points. I think McNabb is better than Dalton (went to a Sb and like 4 title games) but also feel Dalton gets slighted. If Allen had Dalton’s career stat wise, I think we would take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 If Eli gets in McNabb should get in. He was better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: 5 out of 4 philly people are morons. ? I’m not sure what this means. Do you think Joe Flacco and Eli Manning are better than Jim Kelly and Dan Marino? It means 3 Super Bowl wins by a QB punch an automatic ticket to the HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 lol no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, auburnbillsbacker said: If Eli gets in McNabb should get in. He was better. You are 100% right. Eli kinda sucked for a long time. But those 2 wins get you in. If McNabb got 1, he would be in. 15 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: It means 3 Super Bowl wins by a QB punch an automatic ticket to the HOF. Gotcha. I was young for the Aikman years and thought he was much better than he ended up being. His numbers kinda sucked. But he played on one of the most loaded teams of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: No but he had a better career (better number than Jim Kelly) than most people realize. Always seemed to come up short in big spots thought. And if TO was such a selfish prick, they could have be a special combo. Also, he stole pizza from me at Syracuse football camp. That alone disqualifies him. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McNaDo00.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KellJi00.htm You just don’t get football history. Everything is not numbers in black and white. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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