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Is Donovan McNabb Hall of Fame Worthy?


Is Donovan McNabb Hall of Fame Worthy?  

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  1. 1. McNabb Claims He's HOF worthy, What do you think?

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5 hours ago, wppete said:

That man talks a lot of Sh*t

Yes, and who goes around saying they belong in the Hall of Fame? It used to be an honor.

10 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Probably not the best litmus test.  The Redskins have a way of picking up greats in the sunset of their careers and expect the guys to be in their prime - Deion Sanders, Bruce Smith, Donovan McNabb, Albert Haynesworth.  There is probably more, but those came to mind.

Or Matt Millens obsession with wr's!

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This is a great topic; one that could segue into another, related, conversation.

 

What if McNabb was on the Cowboys?  Hell ... what if Marino or Kelly were on the Cowboys or the Giants?   We judge QBs on wins, losses and post season success (Super Bowls).

 

Can you imagine Marino with a running game?  Or Kelly with a decent head coach?

 

Who's to say McNabb, on a better team, wouldn't have been - in our eyes - phenomenal?

 

I don't think McNabb is a Hall of Famer.  But I do think that, in a better situation, he could have been.

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13 minutes ago, Gugny said:

This is a great topic; one that could segue into another, related, conversation.

 

What if McNabb was on the Cowboys?  Hell ... what if Marino or Kelly were on the Cowboys or the Giants?   We judge QBs on wins, losses and post season success (Super Bowls).

 

Can you imagine Marino with a running game?  Or Kelly with a decent head coach?

 

Who's to say McNabb, on a better team, wouldn't have been - in our eyes - phenomenal?

 

I don't think McNabb is a Hall of Famer.  But I do think that, in a better situation, he could have been.

Every one of your scenarios changes everything. ex, then Marino wouldn't have thrown as much . You can't alter history and say a "what if" However I understand what your saying.

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5 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

He was throwing to James Trash and Todd Stinkson for much of his career, so he gets a slight pass. Hall of Famer? Absolutely not. McNabb is the personification of a "good" quarterback. Nothing exceptional about his career.

Agree - - - absolutely NO

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No McNabb was a very good qb alex Smith like ..but no he was not a hall of fame qb and him quoting numbers without context is really disingenuous..aikman is in the hall of fame due to his playoff prowess just like Terry Bradshaw ..Ryan Fitzpatrick also has more TDS then aikman for reference 

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2 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

Do you guys think Big Ben is a HOFer?  I think he and McNabb had basically the same level of impact on a game. 

Ben is better than McNabb was plus the two superbowls get him in ..not saying Ben is superb but he's much more accurate then McNabb was imo

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9 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Even with a SB win you don't get in by just for being above average.  Phil Simms was SB XXI MVP and played most of the season on another champion and will never get in.  

It does.

 

and countering this, Dan Fouts never played in a Super Bowl but was enshrined his 1st year of eligibility. Playoffs/SBs/teammates are considered -don’t think they’re not, but it’s mainly Eye Test. Fouts passed the Eye Test as a threat to score on every drive. Donovan didn’t.

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6 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

Do you guys think Big Ben is a HOFer?  I think he and McNabb had basically the same level of impact on a game. 

 

Donovan McNabb couldn’t carry Big Ben’s jockstrap.

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I really liked him in Philly and thought he was a difference maker who won games a mediocre Eagles team should have lost. The nagging question for me is why did he fail so badly once he left Philly? He was terrible in Washington and Minnesota. If had succeeded on more than one team I'd consider him.

 

I am not a fan of Aikman in the HOF either. Kerry Collins could have won 3 SBs on those Cowboy teams

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Nah. I’d say he falls somewhere between Drew Bledsoe and Alex Smith. Pretty good player. Team won a lot. Was a pretty big part of the reason the team won. One of the 5-10 best QBs in that decade of his prime. Crossed paths with hall of fame QBs on both ends of his career so he was never really THE best of the best. Not hall of fame IMO. Not really even that close if I’m being completely honest. Unfortunately you didn’t want to be a fringe guy right before the passing numbers exploded because history is going to forget you. 

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I actually went and looked at the list of QBs in the HoF from the modern era and it really hit me with how short the list is. After viewing it, he really doesn’t stack up as a Hall of Famer. He possibly could have been if he had made things work with TO, but after the team suspended TO Donovan’s career was forgettable.

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2 hours ago, stuvian said:

I really liked him in Philly and thought he was a difference maker who won games a mediocre Eagles team should have lost. The nagging question for me is why did he fail so badly once he left Philly? He was terrible in Washington and Minnesota. If had succeeded on more than one team I'd consider him.

 

I am not a fan of Aikman in the HOF either. Kerry Collins could have won 3 SBs on those Cowboy teams

The answer to why he failed when out of Philadelphia is pretty obvious-he was done.  Players fall off the face of the earth at different ages.  McNabb just stayed too long after his physical abilities left him.  We've seen this before with players a lot better than McNabb: Namath in Los Angeles, Unitas in San Diego, Archie Manning with Houson & Minnesota.  I can even cite a lesser QB who won a Super Bowl, Jim McMahon who bounced around a few seasons after leaving the Bears and our own Joe Ferguson, who had to have his uniform torn off his back playing 6 more years as a backup with 3 teams well after his prime.  Fergy even tried a stint as a backup 5 years after he left the NFL with San Antonio's CFL Texans coached by Kay Stephenson.  These old QBs just don't know when it's time to hang it up.  

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No but he had a better career (better number than Jim Kelly) than most people realize.  Always seemed to come up short in big spots thought.  And if TO was such a selfish prick, they could have be a special combo.  

 

Also, he stole pizza from me at Syracuse football camp.  That alone disqualifies him. 

6 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Not even close to being worthy

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McNaDo00.htm

 

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KellJi00.htm

 

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19 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Troy Aikman Super Bowl wins 3, Donovan McNabb Super Bowl wins 0

 

Another reason to never use QB stats when comparing careers.  

 

Have to think about it for more than 2 seconds?

 

no....

 

 

have to use somewhat useful stats to back it up?

 

***** no....

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31 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

No but he had a better career (better number than Jim Kelly) than most people realize.  Always seemed to come up short in big spots thought.  And if TO was such a selfish prick, they could have be a special combo.  

 

Also, he stole pizza from me at Syracuse football camp.  That alone disqualifies him. 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McNaDo00.htm

 

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KellJi00.htm

 

Numbers are not the whole story.

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13 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

Do you guys think Big Ben is a HOFer?  I think he and McNabb had basically the same level of impact on a game. 

 

Big Ben has two Super Bowl rings, three AFC titles, engineered a game winning drive in a Super Bowl, and almost pulled off a Super Bowl comeback drive against Green Bay.

 

McNabb puked in the Super Bowl.  Literally

https://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Yes_McNabb_puked_at_Super_Bowl_ex-fullback_says.html

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19 hours ago, whatdrought said:

5 out of 4 Philadelphians said no and that’s he’s garbage. 

 

In fairness, these are the same fans who booed when McNabb was drafted because they wanted Ricky Williams (how did that one work out for Mike Ditka?). That said, I agree with the many who have already stated that McNabb belongs in the 'Hall of Very Good'. To me, he was the precursor to an Andy Dalton type...good enough to keep you competitive but not good enough to take you to 'The Promised Land'.

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34 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Numbers are not the whole story.

Agreed but it gives context.  Those Bills teams were absolutely loaded. Kelly was kinda terrible in the playoffs.  

 

It wasnt to put down Kelly but McNabb is much closer to Kelly than some folks will admit here.  He had a very good career. Not HOF but very good.  To completely dismiss him is wrong. 

18 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

He averaged roughly 23 TD's and 10 picks a season in a pass happy Andy Reid offense. He was a solid runner, but he also took a ton of sacks behind a decent line. Much of that can be attributed to his subpar offensive weapons, but he held on to the ball way too long for my taste.

 

Maybe better than good all things considered, but not a HOF'er. Fair or not, a Superbowl win would probably give him a stronger case, so I agree with you there.

Fair points.  I also remember besides that year with TO he had some garbage receivers - James Thrash, Freddie Mitchell.  Absolute trash for a while. 

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20 hours ago, whatdrought said:

5 out of 4 Philadelphians said no and that’s he’s garbage. 

5 out of 4 philly people are morons. ?

20 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Troy Aikman Super Bowl wins 3, Donovan McNabb Super Bowl wins 0

 

Another reason to never use QB stats when comparing careers.  

I’m not sure what this means.  Do you think Joe Flacco and Eli Manning are better than Jim Kelly and Dan Marino?

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42 minutes ago, ExWNYer said:

 

In fairness, these are the same fans who booed when McNabb was drafted because they wanted Ricky Williams (how did that one work out for Mike Ditka?). That said, I agree with the many who have already stated that McNabb belongs in the 'Hall of Very Good'. To me, he was the precursor to an Andy Dalton type...good enough to keep you competitive but not good enough to take you to 'The Promised Land'.

Good points.  I think McNabb is better than Dalton (went to a Sb and like 4 title games) but also feel Dalton gets slighted.  If Allen had Dalton’s career stat wise, I think we would take it.

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10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

5 out of 4 philly people are morons. ?

I’m not sure what this means.  Do you think Joe Flacco and Eli Manning are better than Jim Kelly and Dan Marino?

It means 3 Super Bowl wins by a QB punch an automatic ticket to the HOF.  

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17 minutes ago, auburnbillsbacker said:

If Eli gets in McNabb should get in.  He was better.

You are 100% right.  Eli kinda sucked for a long time. But those 2 wins get you in. If McNabb got 1, he would be in.  

15 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

It means 3 Super Bowl wins by a QB punch an automatic ticket to the HOF.  

Gotcha.  I was young for the Aikman years and thought he was much better than he ended up being.  His numbers kinda sucked.  But he played on one of the most loaded teams of all time. 

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1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

No but he had a better career (better number than Jim Kelly) than most people realize.  Always seemed to come up short in big spots thought.  And if TO was such a selfish prick, they could have be a special combo.  

 

Also, he stole pizza from me at Syracuse football camp.  That alone disqualifies him. 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McNaDo00.htm

 

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KellJi00.htm

 

 

You just don’t get football history. Everything is not numbers in black and white.

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