Analyzing the Jets' pick of Quinnen Williams AND why is Adam Gase hiding?

[IgotBILLStopay]

There is a  debate about BPA vs. need even at the very top of the draft. That is why teams routinely trade up when they have needs at QB even if the BPA is a non-QB.

 

As Bills fans, we have the luxury of watching the Jets twice a year and more importantly studying the Jets tape prior to the meetings. I was very confident that the Jets will take Josh Allen rather than Q, WIlliams. This is notwithstanding the fact that I feel Q. WIlliams is a genuine top 5 talent. That being said, the presence of Leonard WIlliams (hose hype before the 2015 Draft was even more than Q. WIlliams in 2019), whose option had just been picked up, makes the Q. Williams pick up very questionable, at least in my mind.

 

Here are 2 articles that discuss the same concerns:

 

https://elitesportsny.com/2019/05/04/new-york-jets-quinnen-williams-must-achieve-all-pro-status-to-justify-selection/

 

The above article talks about history repeating itself with Mikey Mac taking BPA (L. WIlliams) in 2015 when he already had Mo and Sheldon Richardon and teh disastrous consequences that followed. 

 

https://www.sny.tv/jets/news/nfl-talent-evaluators-raise-concerns-with-some-jets-draft-picks/306813068

 

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“You take the best player on the board in the draft because ‘blue’ players are so hard to find,” an evaluator said, “but if you take the Jets’ defense and take their four best players, three of them play the position that just got drafted with the third pick. You’ve got Leonard Williams, you just paid Henry Anderson and then last year you used a third-round pick on Nathan Shepherd, who is pretty good. What is going on here?”

 

Do we think Gregg Williams will be some kind of magician who can make EDGEs out of Q. WIlliams or Leonard Williams? And even if he can, why go for the converted EDGE when there was a readymade blue chip EDGE (Josh Allen) sitting there?

 

Now getting to the speculation part - I wonder if there is tension already brewing between the coaching staff and the front office for the Jets. We saw several soundbites of McD around the draft. He was a presence in the War Room and also accessible to the media. In contrast, Adam Gase has been nowhere to be seen. I think every one of the other coaches has been at press conferences or opined on the draft picks. What is happening there? Is it because the coaching staff preferred Josh Allen and Mike Mac went Q. Williams?

Edited May 6, 2019 by IgotBILLStopay

[CNY315]

A lot of Jets fans felt the same

[whatdrought]

The Jets have been investing insane capital in the front 7 ever since Vernon Gholston and none have really worked out that well for them... 

[thebandit27]

The author should read his own article.

 

The Jets only have Leonard Williams because they drafted him despite having 3 other solid DTs at the time: Mo Wilkerson, Sheldon Richardson, and Damon Harrison. All 3 are on their second or third team since Williams was drafted.

[mannc]

5 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

The Jets have been investing insane capital in the front 7 ever since Vernon Gholston and none have really worked out that well for them... 

Same with the Redskins and the 49ers.  It's almost as if that's not a winning formula...

[BuffaloRebound]

2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

The author should read his own article.

 

The Jets only have Leonard Williams because they drafted him despite having 3 other solid DTs at the time: Mo Wilkerson, Sheldon Richardson, and Damon Harrison. All 3 are on their second or third team since Williams was drafted.

 

It is kind of bizarre that they keep spending high draft picks on the same position.  Kind of like the Detroit Lions and WR’s awhile back.  Bills were probably the only team in the top 10 who even considered trading up for Q Williams, so in that respect Jets were unlucky that nobody below them was in the market for a DT no matter how good a prospect Q Williams was.  

[IgotBILLStopay]

20 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

The author should read his own article.

 

The Jets only have Leonard Williams because they drafted him despite having 3 other solid DTs at the time: Mo Wilkerson, Sheldon Richardson, and Damon Harrison. All 3 are on their second or third team since Williams was drafted.

Puzzled by this comment (Sry). Isnt that the author's point? Why let history repeat itself with the Q. Williams pick? That leads to too many DTs and no real good EDGE which leads to an unbalanced DL. Especially when the opportunity cost was a blue chip EDGE in Josh Allen.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Whatever helps make that franchise a flaming pile this season, I'm all for. Except when they play the Pats x2. Carry on.

[thebandit27]

2 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

Puzzled by this comment (Sry). Isnt that the author's point? Why let history repeat itself with the Q. Williams pick? That leads to too many DTs and no real good EDGE which leads to an unbalanced DL. Especially when the opportunity cost was a blue chip EDGE in Josh Allen.

 

Well, the implication seems to be that the Jets have a very talented up-front presence, and therefore shouldn't be drafting such a player.

 

My point is that the author seems to be forgetting that the Jets only have a talented up-front presence because they didn't draft for need back in 2015. Had they gone expressly for need, they'd have drafted Trae Waynes, since their corners were brutal in 2014.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Allen was the best player in the draft. Jacksonville got a gift and didn't overthink it. Oliver is a better fit for Buffalo than Williams if they want a true penetrator and disruptor. 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

Same with the Redskins and the 49ers.  It's almost as if that's not a winning formula...

 

You build from the lines out, haven't you heard that fact before? I heard Steve Tasker say it.

[formerlyofCtown]

Adam Gase is swimmin with the fishes.  Greggo took his lunch money and is now running the show.

[FeelingOnYouboty]

The Jets got three really, really good Front 7 players this Draft. Quinnen Williams, Jachai Polite and Blake Cashman. It's a good return for them.

[mannc]

10 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 

You build from the lines out, haven't you heard that fact before? I heard Steve Tasker say it.

I heard that the players that are closest to the ball matter the most.?

[gjv001]

Jets took the Top Rated player at three that just so happened to be a DT. It could be argued that after Tillery was taken by the Chargers the quality of DT"s in the draft dropped dramatically. Whereas quality Edge Rushers were still available in round three where the Jets selected Polite. Up until Polites disastrous combine and pro-day he was rated a top 15 draft pick. The Jets have someone on their staff that was familiar with Polite. So perhaps it was a strategy that fell into place for the Jets.

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

There is a  debate about BPA vs. need even at the very top of the draft. That is why teams routinely trade up when they have needs at QB even if the BPA is a non-QB.

 

As Bills fans, we have the luxury of watching the Jets twice a year and more importantly studying the Jets tape prior to the meetings. I was very confident that the Jets will take Josh Allen rather than Q, WIlliams. This is notwithstanding the fact that I feel Q. WIlliams is a genuine top 5 talent. That being said, the presence of Leonard WIlliams (hose hype before the 2015 Draft was even more than Q. WIlliams in 2019), whose option had just been picked up, makes the Q. Williams pick up very questionable, at least in my mind.

 

Here are 2 articles that discuss the same concerns:

 

https://elitesportsny.com/2019/05/04/new-york-jets-quinnen-williams-must-achieve-all-pro-status-to-justify-selection/

 

The above article talks about history repeating itself with Mikey Mac taking BPA (L. WIlliams) in 2015 when he already had Mo and Sheldon Richardon and teh disastrous consequences that followed. 

 

https://www.sny.tv/jets/news/nfl-talent-evaluators-raise-concerns-with-some-jets-draft-picks/306813068

 

 

Do we think Gregg Williams will be some kind of magician who can make EDGEs out of Q. WIlliams or Leonard Williams? And even if he can, why go for the converted EDGE when there was a readymade blue chip EDGE (Josh Allen) sitting there?

 

Now getting to the speculation part - I wonder if there is tension already brewing between the coaching staff and the front office for the Jets. We saw several soundbites of McD around the draft. He was a presence in the War Room and also accessible to the media. In contrast, Adam Gase has been nowhere to be seen. I think every one of the other coaches has been at press conferences or opined on the draft picks. What is happening there? Is it because the coaching staff preferred Josh Allen and Mike Mac went Q. Williams?

 

Leonard Williams is an absolute beast...that will be quite a paring...the Williams brothers in the middle of the line...just like when we had the Williams brothers(Kyle and Mario)...in the AFC East

 

[Just Joshin']

1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Allen was the best player in the draft. Jacksonville got a gift and didn't overthink it. Oliver is a better fit for Buffalo than Williams if they want a true penetrator and disruptor. 

He may or may not turn out to be but he was not the top ranked. 

[Ennjay]

1 hour ago, Chemical said:

 

You build from the lines out, haven't you heard that fact before? I heard Steve Tasker say it.

 

I know I'm dating myself but LOU SABAN said that way back when.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 hours ago, whatdrought said:

The Jets have been investing insane capital in the front 7 ever since Vernon Gholston and none have really worked out that well for them... 

 

...please God help 'em keep the streak alive........

Edited May 6, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Allen was the best player in the draft. Jacksonville got a gift and didn't overthink it. Oliver is a better fit for Buffalo than Williams if they want a true penetrator and disruptor. 

I think all of this is really disputable on who is going to be the best player when all said and done......I am always wary of that guy that dominates on a DL of very good players......so I think Oliver could end up being the best of the bunch.

[Augie]

8 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

Leonard Williams is an absolute beast...that will be quite a paring...the Williams brothers in the middle of the line...just like when we had the Williams brothers(Kyle and Mario)...in the AFC East

 

 

Let us all stop and give thanks for all of our new OL guys, and pray they are better than expected. I know Josh Allen and Shady agree! 

[YoloinOhio]

26 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

Leonard Williams is an absolute beast...that will be quite a paring...the Williams brothers in the middle of the line...just like when we had the Williams brothers(Kyle and Mario)...in the AFC East

 

L Williams was actually pretty disappointing last year. Needs to rebound. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...probably wrong, but thought I read Gase was sidelined with eyeball reset surgery and a hernia from the strain of carrying that massive ego....

[Boca BIlls]

3 hours ago, mannc said:

Same with the Redskins and the 49ers.  It's almost as if that's not a winning formula...

They just pick the wrong players.

[JerseyBills]

I was very surprised the Jets went with Q. Leonard Williams is considered a borderline bust here in Jersey, not because he isn't a good player , but they expected greatness, which he is not at that level, at least yet. 

You look at that defense, the secondary is shaky and they literally have no premiere edge rusher, i'm sure Q was the highest on the board but the majority of Jet fans wanted Allen, because of their lack of edge rushers. I guess we'll see how it plays out. 

Good point on the Gase non sighting, pretty unusual for a first year HC no? Makes me appreciate what McBeane has brought to Buffalo.

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, JerseyBills said:

I was very surprised the Jets went with Q. Leonard Williams is considered a borderline bust here in Jersey, not because he isn't a good player , but they expected greatness, which he is not at that level, at least yet. 

You look at that defense, the secondary is shaky and they literally have no premiere edge rusher, i'm sure Q was the highest on the board but the majority of Jet fans wanted Allen, because of their lack of edge rushers. I guess we'll see how it plays out. 

Good point on the Gase non sighting, pretty unusual for a first year HC no? Makes me appreciate what McBeane has brought to Buffalo.

Problem with Leonard is he doesn’t make game changing plays. Often invisible until he commits a stupid penalty. Good run defender. 

[BarleyNY]

2 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

The Jets got three really, really good Front 7 players this Draft. Quinnen Williams, Jachai Polite and Blake Cashman. It's a good return for them.

 

I can’t believe that anyone is expectation anything positive from Polite.  The Jets wasted their 3rd round pick when they took him. 

 

They absolutely should've taken Allen with their first pick too. 

Edited May 6, 2019 by BarleyNY

[JerseyBills]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Problem with Leonard is he doesn’t make game changing plays. Often invisible until he commits a stupid penalty. Good run defender. 

☝️

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Problem with Leonard is he doesn’t make game changing plays. Often invisible until he commits a stupid penalty. Good run defender. 

 

I like when their game changing plays are penalties!  Especially when they play us twice a year. Just don’t hit Josh late!

 

Oh....wait....that never seems to draw a flag. 

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

I can’t believe that anyone is expectation anything positive from Polite.  The Jets wasted their 3rd round pick when they took him. 

 

They absolutely should've taken Allen with their first pick too. 

 

If Polite can stay on the straight and narrow he will be a decent pick in my opinion. But it is a big IF. 

 

As Williams over Allen.... if they had Williams as the best guy on their board they did the right thing. What I have heard is that more teams had Williams as their #1 overall player than had Bosa or Allen or Oliver or anyone else for that matter. 

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, Chemical said:

 

You build from the lines out, haven't you heard that fact before? I heard Steve Tasker say it.

 

Nothing wrong with that philosophy if you do not burn the budget.

[1st&ten]

 

I can only hope that the Jets screwed up their draft. One wish on my bucket list is that I get to see Jets fans starting fires in the aisles again as the Bills are kicking their a**** on prime time TV.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

6 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Nothing wrong with that philosophy if you do not burn the budget.

....agree...Marv tried it with Dockery, Langston Walker, etc.....had the "beef" but a long ways off from USDA "choice"......."building from the ball out" is older than dirt......look at "The Hogs" or our very own "Electric Company".....HOF duos like Jones/Hutch or Shell/Upshaw that Holmgren called "legendary"....still like to revisit Cowher's quote that, "the OL is THE most important UNIT on the football field...they break down as a unit and all else fails offensively".....

[stinky finger]

34 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If Polite can stay on the straight and narrow he will be a decent pick in my opinion. But it is a big IF. 

 

As Williams over Allen.... if they had Williams as the best guy on their board they did the right thing. What I have heard is that more teams had Williams as their #1 overall player than had Bosa or Allen or Oliver or anyone else for that matter. 

 

Yep.

 

Macagnon couldn't trade out and felt he HAD to take Q. 

[Utah John]

Leonard Williams is in the fifth year of his rookie contract.  He'll be much more expensive than Q next year, and will have five years of wear and tear on his body.  This draft pick looks to me like the Jets are just planning ahead, wanting to keep at least one great D lineman in place at all times.  Two is better of course but the budget doesn't allow that in all cases.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

This guy likes talking about the Jets too

[Malazan]

3 hours ago, matter2003 said:

 

Leonard Williams is an absolute beast...that will be quite a paring...the Williams brothers in the middle of the line...just like when we had the Williams brothers(Kyle and Mario)...in the AFC East

 

 

Such a beast that he had less tackles than their injured safety (maye) who only played 5 games..

 

..maybe he gets back on track this year, but he hasn't been a "beast" for a couple years now

[BillsFan17]

You always take BPA. It's not redundant if you find a way to utilize the talent. Moreover, you can never have enough quality front players, and Quinnen is vastly more of a backfield disrupter than Leonard is.

[Bill from NYC]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If Polite can stay on the straight and narrow he will be a decent pick in my opinion. But it is a big IF. 

 

As Williams over Allen.... if they had Williams as the best guy on their board they did the right thing. What I have heard is that more teams had Williams as their #1 overall player than had Bosa or Allen or Oliver or anyone else for that matter. 

I think that as time passes, we will see that the 2019 draft class was not a good one. 2020 is going to make this draft look piss poor.

 

Jmo.

[IgotBILLStopay]

4 hours ago, gjv001 said:

Jets took the Top Rated player at three that just so happened to be a DT. It could be argued that after Tillery was taken by the Chargers the quality of DT"s in the draft dropped dramatically. Whereas quality Edge Rushers were still available in round three where the Jets selected Polite. Up until Polites disastrous combine and pro-day he was rated a top 15 draft pick. The Jets have someone on their staff that was familiar with Polite. So perhaps it was a strategy that fell into place for the Jets.

This is a good rationalization. I like Polite as well. But do you pick at #3 hoping Polite falls to you at 68? So many teams coulda taken Polite.

 

i think Maccagbsn just felt Quinnen Williams was so much better than Josh Allen that he could ignore need and go bpa.