Unpopular Take. The Bills should trade for Rosen

[Oldfan]

The second round pick is too valuable to use on a backup

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Aikman is irrelevant.  Johnson essentially screwed the pooch by giving up the #1 pick in the 1990 draft pick for a QB who was still available after 336 picks in 1989.   The chances of Walsh "hitting" anything besides an opposing DB in the hands were infinitesimal.

 

Even under the rookie pay scale, a first round QB goes for at least $5 or $6 million a year, which is the going rate for a backup QB who can win a few games for a team (like Tannehill).  Nobody knows if Rosen can develop half as well as Tannehill.

 

The Bills have way too many needs to waste a second round pick on a backup QB. 

 

Johnson's move was an utter fail in 1989.  The Bills attempting to recreate it (at least in your mind) by trading a 2nd rounder for Rosen in 2019 is simply too stupid to merit any consideration.

 

Yeah, that's the dumbest part of this whole thing.  It didn't work then so...let's do it again!

 

But it's essentially happening 30 years later...to Rosen. 

[ndirish1978]

This take isn't simply unpopular, it's asinine

[BmarvB]

Really? Seriously???

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Rosen is a frail whiny millennial douchenugget. No thanks. 

[section122]

I don't think this is the worst idea ever as having 2 guys compete is rarely a bad idea however....

 

With this line of thinking, shouldn't the Cardinals hold on to him, draft Murray and do the same thing?  I don't know why they are in such a rush to trade him, and think that is a bad sign for their confidence in him to be the guy.  

 

I think for now though the Bills need to use all of their resources to build up the team around Allen and see what he has.  That second round pick could be a wr or te that would help the Bills be more competitive than a backup qb.  If Rosen turns out to be a franchise guy then the Bills missed an opportunity but they had their choice of the two and made it last year.  Nothing from the season showed that was a mistake so I don't see why they would waffle on that decision now.

[Sgt. Ski]

WHY... if we end up tanking the season with poor personnel moves, we can draft the QB from Alabama who will probably come out early.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

15 hours ago, Zerovotlz said:

.....In 1989, Jimmy Johnson, having just drafted Troy Aikman, 1/1, used what ended up being his 1990 first round draft pick in the 1989 Supplemental draft on QB Steve Walsh from the U.  Some of you may remember Walsh was a big time college QB at the time.  Johnson, when asked why he had done this said that QB was too important to get wrong.  He needed to make sure he had one.  No one really remembers much about it because Aikman won that competition, went on to win 3 Super Bowls...and Walsh was traded to the Saints for draft picks.  ....keep that in mind....

 

As much as many of you have cherry picked the stats to pieces and conjured up every possible scenario to hide the blight of Josh Allens horrendous 52% completion PCT....the fact is, as exciting and athlietic as he is...Josh Allen is still a major question mark to everyone outside western New York (yes Bills fans...where you see a an ascending future MVP QB, the rest of the country sees a gifted athlete who isn't a good thrower)  

 

Rosen is cheap.  He can be had for a 2nd round draft pick.

 

While the Bills certainly still have plenty of spots to fill and could use that 2nd to do that....what if you had Rosen on hand in case Josh Allen can't get that Comp % up above 55?  What if you had the next blue chip prospect already on your roster and under contract if it turns out you've rebuilt the roster, have all this young talent ready to go, and your QB turns out to be a bust?  You wouldn't need to rebuild again...you'd have Rosen ready to go.

 

You might argure making such a move would damage Allens confidence.  Maybe it would...but Aikman handled Johnson drafting Walsh, manned up and won that battle.  If Allen has the fortitude he's said to posses around here...he'd compete.  

 

If Allen did turn out to be what you all are hoping for, Rosen would remain something of an unknown blue chip prospect that had value and could be traded for something useful next year.  

 

If the object of having a pro football team is to WIN...then getting QB right is worth making this kind of move.  That's why Jimmy did it.  Just something to think about....these kind of situations don't come around often.

[RyanC883]

15 hours ago, Zerovotlz said:

.....In 1989, Jimmy Johnson, having just drafted Troy Aikman, 1/1, used what ended up being his 1990 first round draft pick in the 1989 Supplemental draft on QB Steve Walsh from the U.  Some of you may remember Walsh was a big time college QB at the time.  Johnson, when asked why he had done this said that QB was too important to get wrong.  He needed to make sure he had one.  No one really remembers much about it because Aikman won that competition, went on to win 3 Super Bowls...and Walsh was traded to the Saints for draft picks.  ....keep that in mind....

 

As much as many of you have cherry picked the stats to pieces and conjured up every possible scenario to hide the blight of Josh Allens horrendous 52% completion PCT....the fact is, as exciting and athlietic as he is...Josh Allen is still a major question mark to everyone outside western New York (yes Bills fans...where you see a an ascending future MVP QB, the rest of the country sees a gifted athlete who isn't a good thrower)  

 

Rosen is cheap.  He can be had for a 2nd round draft pick.

 

While the Bills certainly still have plenty of spots to fill and could use that 2nd to do that....what if you had Rosen on hand in case Josh Allen can't get that Comp % up above 55?  What if you had the next blue chip prospect already on your roster and under contract if it turns out you've rebuilt the roster, have all this young talent ready to go, and your QB turns out to be a bust?  You wouldn't need to rebuild again...you'd have Rosen ready to go.

 

You might argure making such a move would damage Allens confidence.  Maybe it would...but Aikman handled Johnson drafting Walsh, manned up and won that battle.  If Allen has the fortitude he's said to posses around here...he'd compete.  

 

If Allen did turn out to be what you all are hoping for, Rosen would remain something of an unknown blue chip prospect that had value and could be traded for something useful next year.  

  

If the object of having a pro football team is to WIN...then getting QB right is worth making this kind of move.  That's why Jimmy did it.  Just something to think about....these kind of situations don't come around often.

 

You'll have a lot of people saying, "no," and I wonder how many of them are the same "draft a QB every year until you have a Pro Bowl" QB folks.  Your idea is the same: get a QB this year, in fact, a top 10 draft QB, for a 2nd rounder.   I don't know if I like the idea, I may wait till next year and grab as much talent, so if Allen falters the next QB has a loaded lineup.  But your idea is not crazy as some have/will insinuate.  

[ColoradoBills]

[Kelly the Dog]

I think a #2 QB is an important position on any team. I also think Barkley stinks and we’re dead if he has to play a few games. I also think Rosen will be pretty good if not very good. And it’s still a horrible idea. Rosen is not the kind of player happy to be on the bench. If he doesn’t play at all or much we won’t get a 3rd for him. The chances of us benefiting from it is far less than it becoming a disaster or loss.  

[teef]

Unpopular is one term that could be used...

[WideNine]

No.

[Dablitzkrieg]

17 hours ago, Zerovotlz said:

.....In 1989, Jimmy Johnson, having just drafted Troy Aikman, 1/1, used what ended up being his 1990 first round draft pick in the 1989 Supplemental draft on QB Steve Walsh from the U.  Some of you may remember Walsh was a big time college QB at the time.  Johnson, when asked why he had done this said that QB was too important to get wrong.  He needed to make sure he had one.  No one really remembers much about it because Aikman won that competition, went on to win 3 Super Bowls...and Walsh was traded to the Saints for draft picks.  ....keep that in mind....

 

As much as many of you have cherry picked the stats to pieces and conjured up every possible scenario to hide the blight of Josh Allens horrendous 52% completion PCT....the fact is, as exciting and athlietic as he is...Josh Allen is still a major question mark to everyone outside western New York (yes Bills fans...where you see a an ascending future MVP QB, the rest of the country sees a gifted athlete who isn't a good thrower)  

 

Rosen is cheap.  He can be had for a 2nd round draft pick.

 

While the Bills certainly still have plenty of spots to fill and could use that 2nd to do that....what if you had Rosen on hand in case Josh Allen can't get that Comp % up above 55?  What if you had the next blue chip prospect already on your roster and under contract if it turns out you've rebuilt the roster, have all this young talent ready to go, and your QB turns out to be a bust?  You wouldn't need to rebuild again...you'd have Rosen ready to go.

 

You might argure making such a move would damage Allens confidence.  Maybe it would...but Aikman handled Johnson drafting Walsh, manned up and won that battle.  If Allen has the fortitude he's said to posses around here...he'd compete.  

 

If Allen did turn out to be what you all are hoping for, Rosen would remain something of an unknown blue chip prospect that had value and could be traded for something useful next year.  

 

If the object of having a pro football team is to WIN...then getting QB right is worth making this kind of move.  That's why Jimmy did it.  Just something to think about....these kind of situations don't come around often.

If by unpopular, you mean stupid, then yes.

[Punching Bag]

17 hours ago, Zerovotlz said:

 

You might argure making such a move would damage Allens confidence.  Maybe it would...but Aikman handled Johnson drafting Walsh, manned up and won that battle.  If Allen has the fortitude he's said to posses around here...he'd compete.  

 

 

You had me until towards the end and then I realized you were making a joke.  Why didn't you wait until April Fools day?

[#34fan]

13 hours ago, Zerovotlz said:

 

No...I'm Zerovoltz from KC.  I'm not Jeffismagic.   I don't actually post here that much.  I do my actual TROLLING over at Orangemane.com.  I enjoy giving Broncos fans crap....I LIKE you folks here.  Over there I troll away..they let me join their fantasy leauges.....I drafted Mahomes..won their money...have made and won some other bets with them...and generally just give them crap.  https://www.orangemane.com/forum/orange-mane-discussion/orange-mane-central-discussion/20009-  

 

My name is Gary.  I am originally from KC, but live in the DFW area of texas now.  My wife is pretty easy on the eyes.  Here is a picture of me and Poncho Billa at the 2018 Draft down here (Jerry Dome)  and here is my facebook page....  https://www.facebook.com/gary.hamilton.714

 

I was thinking you guys could trade us Mahommes for any ****ing thing you wanted.

[machine gun kelly]

18 hours ago, Zerovotlz said:

.....In 1989, Jimmy Johnson, having just drafted Troy Aikman, 1/1, used what ended up being his 1990 first round draft pick in the 1989 Supplemental draft on QB Steve Walsh from the U.  Some of you may remember Walsh was a big time college QB at the time.  Johnson, when asked why he had done this said that QB was too important to get wrong.  He needed to make sure he had one.  No one really remembers much about it because Aikman won that competition, went on to win 3 Super Bowls...and Walsh was traded to the Saints for draft picks.  ....keep that in mind....

 

As much as many of you have cherry picked the stats to pieces and conjured up every possible scenario to hide the blight of Josh Allens horrendous 52% completion PCT....the fact is, as exciting and athlietic as he is...Josh Allen is still a major question mark to everyone outside western New York (yes Bills fans...where you see a an ascending future MVP QB, the rest of the country sees a gifted athlete who isn't a good thrower)  

 

Rosen is cheap.  He can be had for a 2nd round draft pick.

 

While the Bills certainly still have plenty of spots to fill and could use that 2nd to do that....what if you had Rosen on hand in case Josh Allen can't get that Comp % up above 55?  What if you had the next blue chip prospect already on your roster and under contract if it turns out you've rebuilt the roster, have all this young talent ready to go, and your QB turns out to be a bust?  You wouldn't need to rebuild again...you'd have Rosen ready to go.

 

You might argure making such a move would damage Allens confidence.  Maybe it would...but Aikman handled Johnson drafting Walsh, manned up and won that battle.  If Allen has the fortitude he's said to posses around here...he'd compete.  

 

If Allen did turn out to be what you all are hoping for, Rosen would remain something of an unknown blue chip prospect that had value and could be traded for something useful next year.  

 

If the object of having a pro football team is to WIN...then getting QB right is worth making this kind of move.  That's why Jimmy did it.  Just something to think about....these kind of situations don't come around often.

 

Um, NO!

[Alphadawg7]

The fact this thread has reached 8 pages has caused me to lose hope for society.  With each passing page, society as a whole becomes dumber by 5%.  

 

At 10 pages we will be approaching 3rd world country status.  

 

At 15 pages we will be the equivalent of "North Centinal Island".  

 

At 20 pages we will be the equivalent of the Terry Crews led USA in the movie "Idocracy".  

 

Lets see how dumb we get.

 

 

Edited March 29, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[Punching Bag]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

The fact this thread has reached 8 pages has caused me to lose hope for society.  With each passing page, society as a whole becomes dumber by 5%.  

 

At 10 pages we will be approaching 3rd world country status.  

 

At 15 pages we will be the equivalent of "North Centinal Island".  

 

At 20 pages we will be the equivalent of the Terry Crews led USA in the movie "Idocracy".  

 

Lets see how dumb we get.

 

 

 

 

We will reach 60 pages and be in California before it is closed by MOD.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

The fact this thread has reached 8 pages has caused me to lose hope for society.  With each passing page, society as a whole becomes dumber by 5%.  

 

At 10 pages we will be approaching 3rd world country status.  

 

At 15 pages we will be the equivalent of "North Centinal Island".  

 

At 20 pages we will be the equivalent of the Terry Crews led USA in the movie "Idocracy".  

 

Lets see how dumb we get.

 

 

 

....can't we declare a "state of emergency" and build a wall around it?.....

[Kelly the Dog]

Walsh was the first coming of Nathan Peterman. Super Smart, accurate college QB with a total rag arm that couldn’t take the speed or rush in the NFL. It’s incredible that NFL coaches cannot see that right in their face. 

[Alphadawg7]

6 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

 

We will reach 60 pages and be in California before it is closed by MOD.

 

At 60 pages we will be approaching being Eric Trump.

[Buffalo716]

Get off These boards

 

you’re a joke... we are a Bills family here

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

22 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

At 60 pages we will be approaching being Eric Trump.

 

....Mueller is out of work......let's get 'em on the horn....

[SoTier]

2 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

 

You'll have a lot of people saying, "no," and I wonder how many of them are the same "draft a QB every year until you have a Pro Bowl" QB folks.  Your idea is the same: get a QB this year, in fact, a top 10 draft QB, for a 2nd rounder.   I don't know if I like the idea, I may wait till next year and grab as much talent, so if Allen falters the next QB has a loaded lineup.  But your idea is not crazy as some have/will insinuate.  

 

"Draft a QB every year until you get the right one" is just as stupid as the OP's.  An organization should select a first round QB only when/if they think he's the next great QB in the league, not because they need a QB (EJ Manuel) or because they want to get in "the best QB class in years" (JP Losman) or because they want to placate/excite their fan base (Johnny Manziel).   Even when they think their QB is likely to be the next great QB, teams miss frequently. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

"Draft a QB every year until you get the right one" is just as stupid as the OP's.  An organization should select a first round QB only when/if they think he's the next great QB in the league, not because they need a QB (EJ Manuel) or because they want to get in "the best QB class in years" (JP Losman) or because they want to placate/excite their fan base (Johnny Manziel).   Even when they think their QB is likely to be the next great QB, teams miss frequently. 

 

.....Asinine 101.......what better indictment of scout staff ineptitude......seems to be a perfect fit for the "definition of insanity"..............

[Nester]

What a terrible idea and post.

 

 

[elijah]

While I do disagree and don’t think the Bills should do this, I don’t understand the absolute bashing of the OP. 

 

The Redskins drafted a QB in the 1st and the 4th round in the same draft, and it was the 4th rounder that would start longer for them. 

 

Everyone has a right to disagree with the idea, but too just bash it is ignorant.  I believe that Josh Allen will workout, but if he doesn’t, why.not have a security blanket?  I wouldn’t offer up a 2nd for Rosen, I think we still have too many holes to fill (DL, TE, OL), but if you can get a top 10 pick just one year out for a third, what’s the risk? 

 

Rosen would come in and sit on the bench and if Allen works out, he doesn’t lose value because he hasn’t seen game time, and you flip him for a 2nd or 3rd right back (i.e. Jimmy G).  If Allen doesn’t work out, you spent a 3rd round pick on a 1st round prospect and he gets a shot. 

 

Again, I disagree. But come on, you can’t be so set on Allen and having the right josh and whatever other cliches and thoughts have developed and been regurgitated since the draft that you just blatantly abuse the OP for this idea. 

[Yav]

1. NO

2. The Bills have Barkley and honestly that one of the best moves they've made

3, 4 & 5. NO

[LABILLBACKER]

19 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

It's not the worst idea I've heard. It's obviously not going to happen, but you could stash Rosen away and very likely get that 2nd round pick back down the road. I'm not 100 sold on Allen, so of course I'm "receptive" to a contingency plan. Where it falls apart for me is that I think Rosen is trash. So there's that. The reason I liked the post was because you can't afford to be wrong at QB, so it's at least an interesting proposition.

Jimmy was right, you can't afford to be wrong on the QB. When we drafted Josh I preferred Rosen. As a  Bruin season ticket holder I had seen all of his games and knew his flaws & strengths. There was more early risk with Allen. But after watching both play their rookie seasons I think we made the right choice. Do you want to risk hurting Josh's confidence by bringing in Rosen? Are the Cardinals going to want a 1st, which I would NOT give them? If I were the Bill's I'd not consider this strategy but I can clearly see why some would. I'm one of those rare members who believed drafting 2 QBs the same season was something to consider. But under this scenario we already have tape on both guys.

[Doc]

If Rosen had shown to be a top talent last year, this idea would have at least some merit.  He didn't so it doesn't.

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, elijah said:

While I do disagree and don’t think the Bills should do this, I don’t understand the absolute bashing of the OP. 

 

The Redskins drafted a QB in the 1st and the 4th round in the same draft, and it was the 4th rounder that would start longer for them. 

 

Everyone has a right to disagree with the idea, but too just bash it is ignorant.  I believe that Josh Allen will workout, but if he doesn’t, why.not have a security blanket?  I wouldn’t offer up a 2nd for Rosen, I think we still have too many holes to fill (DL, TE, OL), but if you can get a top 10 pick just one year out for a third, what’s the risk? 

 

Rosen would come in and sit on the bench and if Allen works out, he doesn’t lose value because he hasn’t seen game time, and you flip him for a 2nd or 3rd right back (i.e. Jimmy G).  If Allen doesn’t work out, you spent a 3rd round pick on a 1st round prospect and he gets a shot. 

 

Again, I disagree. But come on, you can’t be so set on Allen and having the right josh and whatever other cliches and thoughts have developed and been regurgitated since the draft that you just blatantly abuse the OP for this idea. 

 

Yes...bashing the idea of spending a 2nd or 3rd rounder, in a year where there's both tremendous need at certain positions that just happen to align with those exact rounds in terms of value per pick, on a pre-owned 'security blanket' who was arguably the worst quarterback in the entire league...that's the ignorant part. 

 

 

[Pirate Angel]

52% completion percentage isnt all that bad when you consider his best receiver was a undrafted rookie that was cut earlier in the year and he might have had the worst offensive line in the history of the game. The man took a complete joke of an offense, put it on his shoulders and made them somewhat competent. 

[GreggTX]

I agree, OP. Rosen was a rookie QB on a terrible team and has better natural ability to throw accurately than Allen -- FAR better. I'd make this move and let Rosen and Allen battle it out and see which one is better. Allen hasn't shown that he has anything besides arm strength and the ability to scramble. I'll take a great passer over a great runner at QB every time.

Edited March 29, 2019 by GreggTX

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

I agree, OP. Rosen was a rookie QB on a terrible team and has better natural ability to throw accurately than Allen. I'd make this move and let Rosen and Allen battle it out and see which one is better. Allen hasn't shown that he has anything besides arm strength and the ability to scramble. I'll take a great passer over a great runner at QB every time.

 

On what basis are you calling Rosen a great passer?

[GreggTX]

10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

On what basis are you calling Rosen a great passer?

 

I'm not. I'm stating that an accurate arm is better than scrambling ability. Rosen has better natural accuracy than Allen who throws poorly placed balls with maddening regularity.

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

 

I'm not. I'm stating that an accurate arm is better than scrambling ability. Rosen has better natural accuracy than Allen who throws poorly placed balls with maddening regularity.

 

Go rewatch Cards Broncos and see if you can say that with a straight face.

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

If Rosen had shown to be a top talent last year, this idea would have at least some merit.  He didn't so it doesn't.

 

If Rosen had shown to be a top talent last year, all these trade rumors would be swirling around because nobody would believe Arizona would think of trading him away, new regime or not.

[Kwai San]

20 hours ago, Zerovotlz said:

 

Rosen is available.  Mahomes is not available.

But but but - EVERYONE is available.....no?

[LSHMEAB]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Jimmy was right, you can't afford to be wrong on the QB. When we drafted Josh I preferred Rosen. As a  Bruin season ticket holder I had seen all of his games and knew his flaws & strengths. There was more early risk with Allen. But after watching both play their rookie seasons I think we made the right choice. Do you want to risk hurting Josh's confidence by bringing in Rosen? Are the Cardinals going to want a 1st, which I would NOT give them? If I were the Bill's I'd not consider this strategy but I can clearly see why some would. I'm one of those rare members who believed drafting 2 QBs the same season was something to consider. But under this scenario we already have tape on both guys.

All valid points, which is why it's NEVER going to happen. I would like to think that Allen's confidence wouldn't be rattled if he's THE GUY, but players are human beings.

 

I guess I can summarize it by saying I like the idea, but not necessarily the plan if that makes any sense. Also have very little confidence that Rosen will ever be a top flight QB, so there's that.

 

New Era suggested he'd be more comfortable spending a 3rd(which wouldn't be enough) and I tend to agree with that. If you use a 2nd, it hurts the team this year and would potentially be more harmful to JA's confidence. The less capital you spend to acquire the "alternative," the less it feels like the organization doesn't have full confidence in JA.

 

It's just been so long since we've had a franchise QB so I'm intrigued by the idea of a contingency plan.