Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Cripple Creek said: I don't believe it so not universal. "among NFL execs" - when did you become one o' them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: Also, they could keep both for 2020 and let them battle it out like Brees/Rivers, Aikman/Walsh, etc and then move the guy who doesn’t ultimately win the long term job. When did Brees/Rivers "battle it out"? There was no Brees/Rivers battle. San Diego drafted Rivers and he promptly held out through training camp, leaving Brees with the starting job. Which Brees promptly cinched by winning "comeback player of the year", going to the probowl, and turning in a strong playoff performance in his first truly good season. San Diego franchised him for next year - you don't franchise a guy you're gonna "battle". Then Brees got what they thought might be a career ending injury so they let him go when he didn't accept their FA offer. If there would be anything more stupid than drafting a pocket-passing QB with limited mobility in the 1st round and putting him in to struggle behind a swiss cheese OL and with few quality targets, it would be drafting a dissimilar QB in the 1st round next year and letting them "battle it out" instead of crafting the playbook to one QB's strengths and focusing on that one QB's development. But I don't exempt the formerly-Phoenix Cardinals from committing that stupidity - here in St Louis we think almost as much of Bidwell as we do of Kroenke, meaning you'd still need a trench to slide a worm under the general opinion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 2, 2019 Author Share Posted March 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: "among NFL execs" - when did you become one o' them? I edited the title after he posted that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Just now, YoloinOhio said: I edited the title after he posted that Ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 2, 2019 Author Share Posted March 2, 2019 Aw look how little 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 I think this is bad news, if true. My reasoning is that if the QB Murray goes at #1, that drops Bosa or Q. Williams to the Jets. And the Jets at 3 get one of the top two players in the draft. I have stated, and continue to believe that Bosa and Q. Williams are alone as the elite tier. Then there is a drop off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 2 hours ago, K-9 said: I think we need to trade for Rosen, thus GUARANTEEING we have the right Josh. Draft Josh 2.0 and the Bills will have 2 right Josh's. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 2, 2019 Author Share Posted March 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, CNYfan said: I think this is bad news, if true. My reasoning is that if the QB Murray goes at #1, that drops Bosa or Q. Williams to the Jets. And the Jets at 3 get one of the top two players in the draft. I have stated, and continue to believe that Bosa and Q. Williams are alone as the elite tier. Then there is a drop off. Jets have expressed interest in trading down to recoup some of the picks from last year so we’ll see if they pass on Quinnen. Could also go Josh Allen the LB at 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 (edited) The last time I remember a similar case if Murray is taken at #1 is when Tampa Bay didn't like what they had at QB with Steve Young so they traded Young & drafted Vinny Testaverde with the #1 pick. The one in the HOF isn't the guy they drafted. Worst case scenario: Rosen plays in the Super Bowl as Murray is getting ready for spring training with the Oakland A's after flaming out of the NFL. Edited March 2, 2019 by Albany,n.y. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 (edited) I expected this as soon as the Cards hired Kingsbury. Was fully convinced once Murray was measured. It will be fascinating to see what happens with Rosen(if true). At the end of the NFL regular season, it didn't appear as though there would be any top 10 QB's. As it stands now, two are virtual locks. Overall, a very good thing for the Bills at 9. Edited March 2, 2019 by BillsSB2020 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 46 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: "among NFL execs" - when did you become one o' them? He cheated and changed the title. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 2, 2019 Author Share Posted March 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: He cheated and changed the title. I edited it after I realized it wasn’t as obvious as I thought it was. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said: Draft Josh 2.0 and the Bills will have 2 right Josh's. Have to trade up to AT LEAST 4 for this to happen. Other right Josh is the best player in this draft IMO, so I'd love for him to fall, but it ain't happening unfortunately. Edited March 2, 2019 by BillsSB2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, nickrage said: So then what happens to Rosen? Enter Dave Gettleman. Could the cards take Murray at one then trade Rosen to the giants for the sixth overall pick? Yup...either Rosen or they could trade up with the Jets to take Haskins....either way I think the Giants get their QB unfortunately...I really wanted them to suffer for taking a RB last year. Lol Edited March 2, 2019 by JaCrispy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 2, 2019 Author Share Posted March 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Yup...either Rosen or they could trade up with the Jets to take Haskins....either way I think the Giants get their QB unfortunately...I really wanted them to suffer for taking a RB last year. Lol This came up last year but the other way around, when Jets were at 6 and trying to trade up for a QB. They wanted to get to 2 but NYG refused to trade with them to allow them to get their QB. The two teams have never traded with each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 I see this of true as a good thing as we could have have at least 3 of the 8 slots above going to QB, and many of the others going after pass rushers and DT’s. So if not the best OT, we could get the 2nd, so possibly Juwan from FL, or Jonah Williams. I just hope one of these four TE’s who have a top grade we can get in the 2nd. I’d lay $ we bundle on or two of those extra 4’s, 5’s, or 7’s to move up to get a couple of more talented players. Should be fun. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, nickrage said: So then what happens to Rosen? Enter Dave Gettleman. Could the cards take Murray at one then trade Rosen to the giants for the sixth overall pick? Gettleman didn't draft him last year when he could have. I wouldn't be so certain he wants him now, even at a discount. Edited March 2, 2019 by purple haze 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 25 minutes ago, purple haze said: Gettleman didn't draft him last year when he could have. I wouldn't be so certain he wants him now, even at a discount. I agree. He did not draft for he did not think he was worth the #2 pick or trading up lower picks to get him by #10. If he trading for him now he would be getting a year less at the #10 contract rate after a damaged season. If Rosen was waived I think it would be hard to find a team to claim him and that contract so finding a team to pay with some picks will be tough for Cardinals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Limeaid said: I agree. He did not draft for he did not think he was worth the #2 pick or trading up lower picks to get him by #10. If he trading for him now he would be getting a year less at the #10 contract rate after a damaged season. If Rosen was waived I think it would be hard to find a team to claim him and that contract so finding a team to pay with some picks will be tough for Cardinals. If Rosen were waived there would be 31 other teams putting in a claim for him. On a bargain contract for 4 more years. I think he easily fetches a 2nd in a trade. One of Giants, Jaguars, Dolphins, Redskins would be beating down the door at that price. Could also see Saints, Chargers and Patriots strongly interested. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 (edited) I don't think the Cards should move Rosen this year if they draft Murray. Let both compete and decide next year which one they want to keep. I know about the "fit Kingsbury's offense" but let the entire situation play itself out. Ryan Leaf should be a constant reminder that there is always a likelihood of a major bust at the QB position. Cards may gain a second or third rounder for Rosen which will be nothing if Murray doesn't pan out. Keep both QBs, Cards. I am not commenting on Rosen's abilities but think if he turns out to be Favre part deux Edited March 2, 2019 by Fan in Chicago 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 4 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: I think Rosen would be lucky to fetch a 3rd. I think the consensus has been more like mid/late 1st or early 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoccesOnTransit Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 3 hours ago, sven233 said: Oh....everyone knows what is going to happen to Rosen. The Pats* are going to get him for a 8th Round pick, he is going to sit behind Brady for a year or 2, and then dominate the AFC East for the next 17 years. The thought of that happening actually scares the hell out of me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, BoccesOnTransit said: The thought of that happening actually scares the hell out of me I kind of hope he goes to the Dolphins and the Bills can muster a pass rush. A good pass rush would destroy statue Rosen twice a year. Edited March 2, 2019 by Bills2ref Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Using the number one pick on a guy who stands 5’8” and wants to lay QB? Makes a lot of sense coming from Arizona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 1 minute ago, prissythecat said: Using the number one pick on a guy who stands 5’8” and wants to lay QB? Makes a lot of sense coming from Arizona And who came to the combine at 207 pounds to show he isn’t small, only to not perform any drills because he couldn’t at that weight ?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 19 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: I kind of hope he goes to the Dolphins and the Bills can muster a pass rush. A good pass rush would destroy statue Rosen twice a year. The Dolphins trading for Rosen actually makes a lot of sense. They could swap him for Tannehill and a 2nd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 (edited) If this happens then they look rather silly for hiring a Head Coach based on his fit with Josh Rosen. EDIT: tho I should say - when it comes to NFL QBs taking too many shots is better than not taking enough. If they think Murray is too good to miss they should pick him. I don't think he is in that category myself (though clearly he is the best QB in this draft). Edited March 2, 2019 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: Yup...either Rosen or they could trade up with the Jets to take Haskins....either way I think the Giants get their QB unfortunately...I really wanted them to suffer for taking a RB last year. Lol If the Giants are willing to give up #6 for Rosen, or even in a package for Rosen, it's a different conversation entirely. But I could absolutely see a scenario where the Giants don't get their guy, ie Murray going 1, the 49ers just taking Bosa and the Jets refuse to answer their call and dealing #3 to a team for Haskins. Not only for the value for our team but also for the entertainment factor, but I really want to see the Giants take Daniel Jones #6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 4 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: open mouth, insert foot. I'm loving this. especially after some here last draft were all in on this scrub. one twitter bot in particular was all over his jock and he's gone and it looks like the scrub will be traded off to become another teams scrub back up or maybe he's done for good? karma is a B word josh boy, a real B word. Done for good?? Wtf? if they trade him it just means the FO is total chaos. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 4 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: Let's say you're John Elway. You have Joe Flacco and Case Keenum. You have the 10th overall pick. Are you better off with Rosen as your QB of the future, or with ... Dwayne Haskins? Drew Lock? It may be Rosen, but in no way am I trading the 10th overall pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: The biggest thing imo is that Kingsbury runs the Air Raid and Rosen is a bad fit He may have run that in college against college boys. Who’s he running that in AZ with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 I seriously wouldn't want either of them - the Cardinals will be screwed either way. But I AM happy to see more QB action before the Bills' pick! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 "I been in the right place, but it must have been the wrong Josh." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Bills2ref said: I kind of hope he goes to the Dolphins and the Bills can muster a pass rush. A good pass rush would destroy statue Rosen twice a year. As brittle as he is, and with his concussion history, you might only get ONE shot at him. (Not that I wish that on anyone.) 58 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: And who came to the combine at 207 pounds to show he isn’t small, only to not perform any drills because he couldn’t at that weight ?♂️ Let’s hope he interviews with GM’s and HC’s better than he did with Dan Patrick. THAT was painful.....and ill-advised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 5 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: open mouth, insert foot. I'm loving this. especially after some here last draft were all in on this scrub. one twitter bot in particular was all over his jock and he's gone and it looks like the scrub will be traded off to become another teams scrub back up or maybe he's done for good? karma is a B word josh boy, a real B word. I still don't get the people here melting over that statement. Don't you want a player to prove he is the best? I know a lot of the hate is still from the anti-Trump stuff, but the quote is mild. Either way Arizona is going to have the first pick again next year if they don't address that line. Fitz is aging out and Johnson forgot how to run last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I edited it after I realized it wasn’t as obvious as I thought it was. "Twas a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, prissythecat said: Using the number one pick on a guy who stands 5’8” and wants to lay QB? Makes a lot of sense coming from Arizona Lay QB? You mean lay down? Save money and sign Johnny Manziel. Edited March 2, 2019 by Limeaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Never heard of this guy, but it makes sense: Draft Analyst's Tony Pauline reports the Redskins have "openly spoken" about trading for Cardinals QB Josh Rosen. SOURCE: Tony Pauline on Twitter Mar 2, 2019, 4:38 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 6 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: open mouth, insert foot. I'm loving this. especially after some here last draft were all in on this scrub. one twitter bot in particular was all over his jock and he's gone and it looks like the scrub will be traded off to become another teams scrub back up or maybe he's done for good? karma is a B word josh boy, a real B word. Karma can be a b1tch. I was never sold on Rosen, but only because I thought he was not the most mobile thing I have seen and he had a pretty exaggerated wind up and took too long to release. I thought it may cause him to take a few sacks, but putting him behind the Card's line only emphasized the issues. Perhaps with better protection he can turn things around, but man... if his pro career keeps going in its current trajectory these words will haunt him for the "next decade or so". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickrage Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 3 hours ago, purple haze said: Gettleman didn't draft him last year when he could have. I wouldn't be so certain he wants him now, even at a discount. That’s an excellent point. Its clearly a hypothetical at this point but with Eli’s best days behind him it’s a situation I could see happening as a “best option” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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