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Report: It is universally believed among NFL execs that Kyler Murray will be drafted #1 by Arizona

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46 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

"among NFL execs" - when did you become one o' them?

 

He cheated and changed the title.

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6 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

He cheated and changed the title.

I edited it after I realized it wasn’t as obvious as I thought it was. 

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26 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said:

Draft Josh 2.0 and the Bills will have 2 right Josh's.

Have to trade up to AT LEAST 4 for this to happen. Other right Josh is the best player in this draft IMO, so I'd love for him to fall, but it ain't happening unfortunately.

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3 hours ago, nickrage said:

So then what happens to Rosen?

 

Enter Dave Gettleman.

Could the cards take Murray at one 

then trade Rosen to the giants for the sixth overall pick?

Yup...either Rosen or they could trade up with the Jets to take Haskins....either way I think the Giants get their QB unfortunately...I really wanted them to suffer for taking a RB last year. Lol

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4 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Yup...either Rosen or they could trade up with the Jets to take Haskins....either way I think the Giants get their QB unfortunately...I really wanted them to suffer for taking a RB last year. Lol

This came up last year but the other way around, when Jets were at 6 and trying to trade up for a QB. They wanted to get to 2 but NYG refused to trade with them to allow them to get their QB. The two teams have never traded with each other. 

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I see this of true as a good thing as we could have have at least 3 of the 8 slots above going to QB, and many of the others going after pass rushers and DT’s. So if not the best OT, we could get the 2nd, so possibly Juwan from FL, or Jonah Williams.  I just hope one of these four TE’s who have a top grade we can get in the 2nd.  I’d lay $ we bundle on or two of those extra 4’s, 5’s, or 7’s to move up to get a couple of more talented players.  Should be fun.

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3 hours ago, nickrage said:

So then what happens to Rosen?

 

Enter Dave Gettleman.

Could the cards take Murray at one 

then trade Rosen to the giants for the sixth overall pick?

Gettleman didn't draft him last year when he could have.  

I wouldn't be so certain he wants him now, even at a discount.

 

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25 minutes ago, purple haze said:

Gettleman didn't draft him last year when he could have.  

I wouldn't be so certain he wants him now, even at a discount.

 

 

I agree.

He did not draft for he did not think he was worth the #2 pick or trading up lower picks to get him by #10. 

If he trading for him now he would be getting a year less at the #10 contract rate after a damaged season.

If Rosen was waived I think it would be hard to find a team to claim him and that contract so finding a team to pay with some picks will be tough for Cardinals.

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3 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

I agree.

He did not draft for he did not think he was worth the #2 pick or trading up lower picks to get him by #10. 

If he trading for him now he would be getting a year less at the #10 contract rate after a damaged season.

If Rosen was waived I think it would be hard to find a team to claim him and that contract so finding a team to pay with some picks will be tough for Cardinals.

 

If Rosen were waived there would be 31 other teams putting in a claim for him. On a bargain contract for 4 more years. I think he easily fetches a 2nd in a trade. One of Giants, Jaguars, Dolphins, Redskins would be beating down the door at that price. Could also see Saints, Chargers and Patriots strongly interested. 

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I don't think the Cards should move Rosen this year if they draft Murray. Let both compete and decide next year which one they want to keep. I know about the "fit Kingsbury's offense" but let the entire situation play itself out. Ryan Leaf should be a constant reminder that there is always a likelihood of a major bust at the QB position.  Cards may gain a second or third rounder for Rosen which will be nothing if Murray doesn't pan out. Keep both QBs, Cards. I am not commenting on Rosen's abilities but think if he turns out to be Favre part deux

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4 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

I think Rosen would be lucky to fetch a 3rd.

 

I think the consensus has been more like mid/late 1st or early 2nd.

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3 hours ago, sven233 said:

 

Oh....everyone knows what is going to happen to Rosen.  The Pats* are going to get him for a 8th Round pick, he is going to sit behind Brady for a year or 2, and then dominate the AFC East for the next 17 years.

The thought of that happening actually scares the hell out of me

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1 minute ago, BoccesOnTransit said:

The thought of that happening actually scares the hell out of me

I kind of hope he goes to the Dolphins and the Bills can muster a pass rush. A good pass rush would destroy statue Rosen twice a year. 

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Using the number one  pick on a guy who stands 5’8” and wants to lay QB?  Makes a lot of sense coming from Arizona 

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1 minute ago, prissythecat said:

Using the number one  pick on a guy who stands 5’8” and wants to lay QB?  Makes a lot of sense coming from Arizona 

 

And who came to the combine at 207 pounds to show he isn’t small, only to not perform any drills because he couldn’t at that weight 🤦‍♂️

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19 minutes ago, Bills2ref said:

I kind of hope he goes to the Dolphins and the Bills can muster a pass rush. A good pass rush would destroy statue Rosen twice a year. 

 

The Dolphins trading for Rosen actually makes a lot of sense. They could swap him for Tannehill and a 2nd.

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If this happens then they look rather silly for hiring a Head Coach based on his fit with Josh Rosen. 

 

EDIT: tho I should say - when it comes to NFL QBs taking too many shots is better than not taking enough. If they think Murray is too good to miss they should pick him. I don't think he is in that category myself (though clearly he is the best QB in this draft). 

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1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:

Yup...either Rosen or they could trade up with the Jets to take Haskins....either way I think the Giants get their QB unfortunately...I really wanted them to suffer for taking a RB last year. Lol

 

 

If the Giants are willing to give up #6 for Rosen, or even in a package for Rosen, it's a different conversation entirely.

 

But I could absolutely see a scenario where the Giants don't get their guy, ie Murray going 1, the 49ers just taking Bosa and the Jets refuse to answer their call and dealing #3 to a team for Haskins.

 

Not only for the value for our team but also for the entertainment factor, but I really want to see the Giants take Daniel Jones #6.

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4 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

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open mouth, insert foot.

 

I'm loving this. especially after some here last draft were all in on this scrub. one twitter bot in particular was all over his jock and he's gone and it looks like the scrub will be traded off to become another teams scrub back up or maybe he's done for good?

 

karma is a B word josh boy, a real B word. 

 

Done for good??  Wtf?

 

if they trade him it just means the FO is total chaos.  

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4 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Let's say you're John Elway. You have Joe Flacco and Case Keenum. You have the 10th overall pick. Are you better off with Rosen as your QB of the future, or with ... Dwayne Haskins? Drew Lock? 

It may be Rosen, but in no way am I trading the 10th overall pick.

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4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

The biggest thing imo is that Kingsbury runs the Air Raid and Rosen is a bad fit 

 

He may have run that in college against college boys.  Who’s he running that in AZ with?  

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I seriously wouldn't want either of them - the Cardinals will be screwed either way.

 

But I AM happy to see more QB action before the Bills' pick!

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"I been in the right place, but it must have been the wrong Josh."

 

 

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1 hour ago, Bills2ref said:

I kind of hope he goes to the Dolphins and the Bills can muster a pass rush. A good pass rush would destroy statue Rosen twice a year. 

As brittle as he is, and with his concussion history, you might only get ONE shot at him. 

 

 

 

(Not that I wish that on anyone.) 

58 minutes ago, Bills2ref said:

 

And who came to the combine at 207 pounds to show he isn’t small, only to not perform any drills because he couldn’t at that weight 🤦‍♂️

 

Let’s hope he interviews with GM’s and HC’s better than he did with Dan Patrick. THAT was painful.....and ill-advised. 

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5 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

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open mouth, insert foot.

 

I'm loving this. especially after some here last draft were all in on this scrub. one twitter bot in particular was all over his jock and he's gone and it looks like the scrub will be traded off to become another teams scrub back up or maybe he's done for good?

 

karma is a B word josh boy, a real B word. 

I still don't get the people here melting over that statement. Don't you want a player to prove he is the best? I know a lot of the hate is still from the anti-Trump stuff, but the quote is mild. Either way Arizona is going to have the first pick again next year if they don't address that line. Fitz is aging out and Johnson forgot how to run last year. 

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