Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 To be fair - we probably have one of the worst playing surfaces in the NFL. The company legit has one team using their product - us. https://www.aturf.com/play-level/professional-sports/. Seems like a dated product Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said: Just pointing this out... I lived in Baltimore on the early 80s when the Orioles talked about building Camden Yards. At the time, everybody hated the idea, even though the old Memorial Stadium on 33rd St. was a complete s##thole. E local columnists wrote that Memorial was fine as is and has too much history to replace with a fancy place downtown. Ten years later and everyone not only loves Camden Yards but it's a source of community pride being a destination stadium in MLB. The lesson is everyone hates change beforehand. I could not agree more. I lived in DC from ‘81-‘84 and went to plenty of Colts and Orioles games. Memorial Stadium was a dump - by comparison, New Era is a palace! But even palaces become obsolete, as people want new kitchens, newer and more bathrooms, and all the modern conveniences. I’ll miss The Ralph, its excellent sightlines, and all the great memories, but it’s time to trade up. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 3 hours ago, eball said: Improving the field is something players will appreciate. Add to that the major field house fitness facility upgrade, and Buffalo becomes more attractive to free agents as well. I don't believe these expenditures by the county impact the stadium decision at all. Yeah free agents will be lining up to sign here to play on the new turf. Playoffs here we come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Yeah free agents will be lining up to sign here to play on the new turf. Playoffs here we come Cute response. If you don't believe players consider things like the quality of the turf and the fitness/maintenance facilities you're kidding yourself. It's not the only factor, but if two teams are close it could be the deciding one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, T master said: If by some chance the Bills do decide or should i say the Bills are pressured into building a new stadium sometime in the future they will have the best practice facility in the entire NFL . I just don't understand how Buffalo fans will be able to support the big ticket prices & all those fancy new crap that is unnecessary your there to watch football & drink beer if you need to be on the internet watching your phone being a yuppy then stay home & watch the game on TV ! Just do what they did in Miami & build a roof that is retractable over the place it can be done !! It’s a pretty simple math equation. From what I found the average ticket price at New Era Field is $69.53 (2nd lowest in the league). The capacity is 71,608. That equates to $4,978,904.24 a game and $49,789,042.40 per year. If you dropped the capacity to 66,000 and had the average at $100 (a tick below league average) you are looking at $6,600,000 per game and $66,000,000 per year. If you kept the capacity the exact same you are looking at $71,608,000 per year. You are creating an extra $20M a year ($2m a game) by just bringing the stadium to the league average. That is an average price of $1,000 per season ticket ($83.33 per month). If that is going to really hurt someone they probably shouldn’t be spending their money on season tickets to begin with. Edited February 20, 2019 by Kirby Jackson 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiddenInLight Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Hopefully the new turf will be able to withstand the snow removal equipment without exploding this time. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, billsfanmiami(oh) said: Yeah I think it was some local place that had a very limited number of comparable projects. It was dirt cheap though! Probably a campaign donor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: It’s a pretty simple math equation. From what I found the average ticket price at New Era Field is $69.53 (2nd lowest in the league). The capacity is 71,608. That equates to $4,978,904.24 a game and $49,789,042.40 per year. If you dropped the capacity to 66,000 and had the average at $100 (a tick below league average) you are looking at $6,600,000 per game and $66,000,000 per year. If you kept the capacity the exact same you are looking at $71,608,000 per year. You are creating an extra $20M a year ($2m a game) by just bringing the stadium to the league average. That is an average price of $1,000 per season ticket ($83.33 per month). If that is going to really hurt someone they probably shouldn’t be spending their money on season tickets to begin with. Does your breakdown factor in the cost of PSLs? They are a typical result of new stadium construction and they would drive me out of the market. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 To bad the county can’t fix our roads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Ga boy said: FInally, privacy walls in the urinals. Don't worry, nobody wants to watch you over-shake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Where do they play for the 2 years that it will take? Toronto? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chill Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 The city and state better get serious about funding a new stadium for this team. There is a mich higher revenue market just waiting to be occupied in San Diego. I would hate to see the Bills move to greener pastures because of political reasons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: The New Era turf was terrible (lots of slipping) but as I recall it they chose an off brand supplier for the product instead of one of the more we’ll known turf companies. I actually Design these fields for a living. Was it similar to the field that the Jay's use at the Roger's Centre in Toronto? Their field had the rubber tire pellets in it that for the first year was an issue as the pellets would get thrown in the air if you slid on the field. 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: from what I found online, the renovations took place over 30 months or so, Packers played two home seasons in Lambeau as construction was taking place with minimal impacts. Hmm, interesting. That being said, have no clue if that could happen in Orchard Park. Lambeau is one huge bowl with the concourse at the top of the bowl And that is where the real renovation took place. They did not have to deal with a lower bowl and upper deck. Suites etc were built were there were none before, on top of the existing bowl or in the end zones. KC was able to stay put also, but not the Bears who played at least one at the University of Illinois stadium. I was going to mention the Bears, I believe their stadium was almost gutted on the inside and only the exterior facade was salvaged or saved? 5 minutes ago, Chill said: The city and state better get serious about funding a new stadium for this team. There is a mich higher revenue market just waiting to be occupied in San Diego. I would hate to see the Bills move to greener pastures because of political reasons... San Diego would have to agree to a new stadium also before this could happen.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) You know what, although I cannot back it up with articles how come every time we have a low quality rated field, we upgrade it with cutting edge tech and invariably a year later the players review the league surfaces and ours is still the worst?! For once I want to get a new field and have other NFL players come in and say, "dang, this is a great field!". ...ok...that's my minor and worthless rant. Seriously it just bugs me because it sticks in my memory. Edited February 20, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 BRING BACK THE RED END ZONES AT ONCE!!!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 23 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: You know what, although I cannot back it up with articles how come every time we have a low quality rated field, we upgrade it with cutting edge tech and invariably a year later the players review the league surfaces and ours is still the worst?! For once I want to get a new field and have other NFL players come in and say, "dang, this is a great field!". ...ok...that's my minor and worthless rant. Seriously it just bugs me because it sticks in my memory. Wanna know what kind of turf works just fine and never needs replacing? It’s called grass. . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 hours ago, GimmeSomeProcess said: Yep I totally agree and I think they may have a complex like no other. A facility that houses both the bills and Sabres. Have no idea how but maybe something a long way the lines of the carrier dome but a hell of a lot nicer. Pegs may be a visionary on this one. That that would be sweet as long as we don’t see a big tax burden for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammered a Lot Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t remember if GB played elsewhere. The Vikings moved to the University of Minnesota while their stadium was being built. It is idealistic to believe that the stadium can be completely redone in 8 months with 3 of those months being January, February and March. The Bills aren’t looking for cosmetic upgrades. They need to redivide the entire stadium to match up the best locations with ammentiites. A “new” version of the stadium will look nothing like what we are accustomed to. I am not sure that can be done in the short term and there isn’t a facility to house them. I suppose they could play in Toronto but we all know how well that will go over. When the stadium was built the construction continued during January, February, & March just like the weight room addition going on now. Shelters or work areas were enclosed with chicken mesh in plastic along with heaters were used. Of course how fast any remodel would be completed would be determined by how extensive the amount of work that has to be done. On a side note the weight room addition steel structure has been up for a month, rubber roof was put on last week, all exterior green board is done and this week installation of the wall of windows facing Abbott Road has started. The Pegulas put in $18 million last year & another $18 million this year into the stadium complex. Edited February 20, 2019 by Hammered a Lot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 4 hours ago, FluffHead said: But will the red end zones return? Yes...they will be painted with the blood of our 2019 opponents. 2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Would ya? Honestly, Promo...I don't know if there is enough beer in the world. ?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/news/report-bills-have-new-turf-installed-2019 The last time the turf was replaced was 2011. At that time, the team installed what’s known as the A-Turf Titan surface, which according to the team’s website, was considered“the top synthetic turf system available and is noted as the industry’s top performing system by providing the perfect balance of traction, foot release and unparalleled durability.” Speaking with people with knowledge of the industry, most new synthetic surfaces have a shelf-life of 8-10 years. Given the weather in Buffalo and the field being exposed in the winter, there’s no surprise the New Era turf would need to replaced on the earlier end of that spectrum. Some fans have wanted to see the team return to using red end zones, as opposed to the current blue. There’s no word on if the organization will do that or not, but I’ve been told in the past that red turf doesn’t translate onto HD-TV as well, giving off a glare that can be tougher to determine depth perception. So, given that all games are now broadcast in HD-TV, that may be a factor the team would have to consider if thinking of changing back. According to the report, the goal is for all of these projects to be completed by the time the Bills return from training camp in Rochester, which is usually mid-August Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: The New Era turf was terrible (lots of slipping) but as I recall it they chose an off brand supplier for the product instead of one of the more we’ll known turf companies. I actually Design these fields for a living. Thank F'n god the turf is going away! My TBD post count is going to go down next year when I don't have to B word about our players falling and slipping every other play! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hammered a Lot said: When the stadium was built the construction continued during January, February, & March just like the weight room addition going on now. Shelters or work areas were enclosed with chicken mesh in plastic along with heaters were used. Of course how fast any remodel would be completed would be determined by how extensive the amount of work that has to be done. On a side note the weight room addition steel structure has been up for a month, rubber roof was put on last week, all exterior green board is done and this week installation of the wall of windows facing Abbott Road has started. The Pegulas put in $18 million last year & another $18 million this year into the stadium complex. If it was as simple as a remodel, i.e., tearing out and replacing the seating, upgrading the suites and clubs, laying down a new field, modernizing the rest rooms, and a general facelift, then fine - go ahead. The problems start when you add more restrooms and widen the concourses, which is what’s wanted. Those four restroom towers they added a few years back constrict the outer footprint, and would have to come down to increase the outer boundaries. Likewise with the upper deck - it would have to be demolished and replaced if you want to widen the corridors. There’s no other way. The ceilings in the corridors follow the rake of the upper deck, to the point where the ceiling is about zero where you exit the corridor to access the seats. And there’s virtually no room anywhere for more restrooms, unless maybe you fill in the corners. So one way or another, we’ll have a new stadium, whether we build one downtown, across the street from the current one, or reuse some of the existing steel and concrete as we recycle the current one. (IMHO, the only parts of the current facility that will remain usable are the parking lots.) . Edited February 20, 2019 by The Senator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 3 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said: Does your breakdown factor in the cost of PSLs? They are a typical result of new stadium construction and they would drive me out of the market. That equation didn’t but Minnesota had PSL’s on a portion of the stadium that were as low as $500. Most stadiums don’t have PSLs everywhere (Vikings is 75% of the stadium). They are in the most desirable areas normally. I would think that the Bills’ PSL’s will look like the Vikings ($500 to $9500) per seat with a goal of $100M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Whooo Hoooo new sideline to sideline bur bur Or maybe go retro and Shag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Chill said: The city and state better get serious about funding a new stadium for this team. There is a mich higher revenue market just waiting to be occupied in San Diego. I would hate to see the Bills move to greener pastures because of political reasons... Yeah, cause the owner who cried when he bought the team as he promised to keep it in Buffalo and already owns an NHL franchise in town is gonna move it. Awful post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 7 hours ago, CommonCents said: I’m going to a game this year, fix it up nice! For $3million? Not going to get much! LoL... You know how far $3million goes these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chill Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Yeah, cause the owner who cried when he bought the team as he promised to keep it in Buffalo and already owns an NHL franchise in town is gonna move it. Awful post. Irish, always so critical of others...it’s simple economics. Successful people make smart business decisions. NY better be careful, Cali is hungry for another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Chill said: Irish, always so critical of others...it’s simple economics. Successful people make smart business decisions. NY better be careful, Cali is hungry for another team. Hi Leroi! I thought I smelled something around here. Edited February 20, 2019 by ndirish1978 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 30 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: For $3million? Not going to get much! LoL... You know how far $3million goes these days? If it’s Erie County spending the money? The project will finish late, and over budget. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, The Senator said: If it’s Erie County spending the money? The project will finish late, and over budget. . Really, how do you know that. Can you name the projects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 4 hours ago, Chill said: The city and state better get serious about funding a new stadium for this team. There is a mich higher revenue market just waiting to be occupied in San Diego. I would hate to see the Bills move to greener pastures because of political reasons... Considering the co-owner is a lifelong Bills fan who grew up in WNY, moving the team to SD seems highly improbable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) $3 million is nothing, probably what the should spend every year to keep it from deteriorating and rusting away. Edited February 20, 2019 by RoyBatty is alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: $3 million is nothing annually, probably what the should spend every year to keep it from deteriorating and rusting away. I would guess they spend that amount every year just to pick up the trash and clean up the vomit! . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 4 hours ago, Logic said: BRING BACK THE RED END ZONES AT ONCE!!!! Marvs still living.. Bring him back too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Chill said: Irish, always so critical of others...it’s simple economics. Successful people make smart business decisions. NY better be careful, Cali is hungry for another team. they are? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 6 hours ago, T master said: If by some chance the Bills do decide or should i say the Bills are pressured into building a new stadium sometime in the future they will have the best practice facility in the entire NFL . I just don't understand how Buffalo fans will be able to support the big ticket prices & all those fancy new crap that is unnecessary your there to watch football & drink beer if you need to be on the internet watching your phone being a yuppy then stay home & watch the game on TV ! Just do what they did in Miami & build a roof that is retractable over the place it can be done !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Chill said: Irish, always so critical of others...it’s simple economics. Successful people make smart business decisions. NY better be careful, Cali is hungry for another team. Sure they are. Their appetite for the game is insatiable! That’s why the Rams left, the Chargers moved, the Raiders moved twice and are now leaving. They love their football so much that the nation’s second largest city had no team at all for two decades. ? . 5 hours ago, Chill said: The city and state better get serious about funding a new stadium for this team. There is a mich higher revenue market just waiting to be occupied in San Diego. I would hate to see the Bills move to greener pastures because of political reasons... Um, San Diego already has a football team. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, The Senator said: Um, San Diego already has a football team. . Yeah, the San Diego Fleet can definitely compete with the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicharito Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Can we get blue turf please???????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, LeviF91 said: Yeah, the San Diego Fleet can definitely compete with the NFL. No, they can’t, but San Diego is not going to be blackmailed into building a new stadium any time soon, and the AAF is a viable alternative. The AAF games are competitive and entertaining, and the San Diego fans seem to enjoy the experience... https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2019/02/18/aaf-football-san-diego-fleet/2903068002/ Anyway, my main point was not to compare the AAF to the NFL; it was to rebut some new troll intimating that Californians pine for yet another NFL team, and that the Bills could be San Diego bound. That’s the most idiotic thing I’ve read on this board in quite a while. . Edited February 20, 2019 by The Senator 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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