YoloinOhio Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) Saw some speculation that the Bills will sign him in FA. 2nd team all pro in 2017, missed all of 2018 with knee injury. Thoughts? From Wikipedia - Quote On July 28, 2018 during training camp, Williams was carted off the field with an apparent knee injury.[9] It was later revealed that day that Williams dislocated his right kneecap and tore his MCL.[10] Despite the injury, Williams started in the season opener against the Dallas Cowboys, however left the game in the fourth quarter with a knee injury.[11] It was confirmed that Williams had re-injured his right knee and would be sidelined indefinitely.[12] He was then placed on injured reserve on September 12, 2018 after deciding to undergo knee surgery.[13] Edited March 6, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Dislocates his knee cap and tears his MCL and then plays in the opener some six or seven weeks later? Sold. That’s all I need to know about this guy’s football character. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 10, 2019 Author Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, K-9 said: Dislocates his knee cap and tears his MCL and then plays in the opener some six or seven weeks later? Sold. That’s all I need to know about this guy’s football character. So in other words, McDermott is drooling Edited February 10, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 If he clears medical, and with the "Carolina connection", sign me up. Any moves we make in FA to shore up loose ends, hello BPA in the draft! And I'm all for that! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 He would be a huge upgrade at the position, the MCL I'm sure is a significant injury but it's not an ACL which is even more significant. Williams at RT and Spain at LG? Get your pass rusher at #9, WR in the 2nd round and future C in the 3rd and lets all go do some shots? Anyone? 9 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Jager please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: So in other words, McDermott is drooling Well, there is that Panther connection. Seriously, I haven’t seen too much of him, but he’s looked good on the few occasions I watched him play. Is he any good? I see he made 2nd team All Pro in 2017. That’s no small feat. Can definitely see him being targeted if the medicals are good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 10, 2019 Author Share Posted February 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: He would be a huge upgrade at the position, the MCL I'm sure is a significant injury but it's not an ACL which is even more significant. Williams at RT and Spain at LG? Get your pass rusher at #9, WR in the 2nd round and future C in the 3rd and lets all go do some shots? Anyone? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 23 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Saw some speculation that the Bills will sign him in FA. 2nd team all pro in 2017, missed all of 2018 with knee injury. Thoughts? From Wikipedia - Knee is concerning , injuries is why we got rid of Glenn, but we need all the help we can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 27 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Saw some speculation that the Bills will sign him in FA. 2nd team all pro in 2017, missed all of 2018 with knee injury. Thoughts? From Wikipedia - That is stiffer than I imagined. Maybe 6-7 mill per year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 16 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: That is stiffer than I imagined. Maybe 6-7 mill per year. Yeah that’s a hefty price tag. But we gotta spend it somewhere right? With this much cap space and how much they HAVE to spend I’m sure they have to give out some bad contracts. Even at 10 million I wouldn’t consider this a bad contract for him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: Yeah that’s a hefty price tag. But we gotta spend it somewhere right? Couldn't agree more Rc2catch. If we can put an All-Pro tackle on our OL for the next six years I'd spend $10MM a year right now to get it done. In three years the going rate for a solid O-line tackle will be $15MM a year. Lock him up now. Great O-linemen don't make it to free agency very often. How many times did we watch our best players walk because we had no cap space to resign them after their rookie contract? The Panthers only have $23MM in cap space this year. They can't afford to keep him unless he takes a huge hometown discount. Let's take advantage of their cap mismanagement and steal this guy from them. It's nice to finally be the franchise with some salary cap mojo. Edited February 10, 2019 by Inigo Montoya 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mc1320 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 MCL is not as bad as the other knee ligaments. I finished last 45 minutes of a high school practice w/torn MCL. After signing their draft picks, Carolina will only have $18 mil under the cap so he is leaving for sure - if medical clears and you think you can get 3-4 years out of him, they should do it. This year Indy showed why you pay a premium to protect your quarterback. If Allen could ever get comfortable sitting in the pocket, look out. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Williams is a great fit and based on the "Carolina Connection" and our cap space availability we hopefully make this move and lock down the RT spot for years to come. Add a TE and DT and possibly a C in FA and then use the draft to get a WR, TE, G, RB and LB and the team is looking good in 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) I’m assuming by “projecting” he is talking about gut feel and not some rumour he has heard? In reality, Beane can’t even talk to his agent yet.. correct? Edited February 10, 2019 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Center needs to be the top O line priority. The interior looks completely disorganised without an experienced veteran. We need to go after Paradis and pay big. After that, maybe Williams comes into thinking. But it's a good draft O line class. And there is value in the first few rounds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) The Bills could stand to upgrade at every o-line position. Assuming the medical issues are cleared, YES, sign him. He still has several years of NFL time left, 2nd team All-Pro, even if you have to over-spend, if you are serious about protecting your franchise QB, you sign him! And continue to look for upgrades in FA and the draft. I would be all for signing him, drafting another tackle in round1 or 2, and moving Dawkins inside . . . do whatever you can, anyway, you can, to upgrade the line. Edited February 10, 2019 by CSBill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, CSBill said: The Bills could stand to upgrade at every o-line position. Assuming the medical issues are cleared, YES, sign him. He still has several years of NFL time left, 2nd team All-Pro, even if you have to over-spend, if you are serious about protecting your franchise QB, you sign him! And continue to look for upgrades in FA and the draft. I would be all for signing him, drafting another tackle in round1 or 2, and moving Dawkins inside . . . do whatever you can, anyway, you can, to upgrade the line. I wouldn’t go so far as to say all positions need an upgrade. 3 out of 5. I think Teller is going to stick and I also believe Dawkins belongs on the line, not sure he is a LT. Dawkins showed regression last season which could of been a product of not having Richie next to him. I look for Tellers improvement to help Dawkins. I’d like to sign Williams for RT and one other FA lineman then draft 2 more o lineman. Besides quarterback there is not one unit more important than o line. New England gets it. Draft and develop lineman. Sprinkle In a FA when necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meazy26 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 My dream is to sign Daryl Williams, Matt Paradis, and Trent Brown. (LT) Trent Brown - (LG) Dion Dawkins - (C) Matt Paradis - (RG) Wyatt Teller - (RT) Daryl Williams Probably would cost us at least 10mil per year for each guy. It’s would take upwards of about 35mil of our cap space. Still would have nearly 50mil left over. Sign another stud pass rusher and a WR... Playoffs! One can dream, right? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Saw some speculation that the Bills will sign him in FA. 2nd team all pro in 2017, missed all of 2018 with knee injury. Thoughts? From Wikipedia - The yearly money does not bother me. The guarantee does due to the seriousness of his injury. Being stuck with $20 million in dead cap after signing a player and having him permanently injuring his knee after little or no regular season playing time with the Bills is a serious possibility with a weakened knee. An injury like that always leaves your knee weakened and vulnerable to re-injury the rest of your life. 20 Million in dead cap can put a serious dent in the team's future. It is a gamble and not a good one. Edited February 10, 2019 by simpleman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 18 minutes ago, Meazy26 said: My dream is to sign Daryl Williams, Matt Paradis, and Trent Brown. (LT) Trent Brown - (LG) Dion Dawkins - (C) Matt Paradis - (RG) Wyatt Teller - (RT) Daryl Williams Probably would cost us at least 10mil per year for each guy. It’s would take upwards of about 35mil of our cap space. Still would have nearly 50mil left over. Sign another stud pass rusher and a WR... Playoffs! One can dream, right? I would pass on Trent Brown. He had a good run in the playoffs, but was likely the worst player on that NE OL for most of the year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 I’d love Cody Ford or Jawaan Taylor but getting a solid veteran in frees up our draft a bit. Would allow us to focus on C and LT in the Draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 10, 2019 Author Share Posted February 10, 2019 4 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: I’m assuming by “projecting” he is talking about gut feel and not some rumour he has heard? In reality, Beane can’t even talk to his agent yet.. correct? I assume he’s just guessing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Mountain Man said: Center needs to be the top O line priority. The interior looks completely disorganised without an experienced veteran. We need to go after Paradis and pay big. After that, maybe Williams comes into thinking. But it's a good draft O line class. And there is value in the first few rounds. I don’t why people want to overpay for a possible injury risk Tackle, especially since G and C are cheaper, and as stated above the draft is rich with Tackles. Our interior is the greatest need where we can build a great running program to counter the Pass. Bottom line is Tackles cost a ton of money right behind QB’s,WR, and Pass Rushers. we can get those more expensive players in the draft on the cheap, and fortify the positions of need. Remember we need around $5 mil for the draft, $5 mil for an emergency fund, and save some cap space for who we extend the following year to keep players here for the long haul. Just one of them will be T. White in 2020. He is a lockdown CB. Even if the cap increases to $90 mil, that is $15-20 mil off the top, so use the money carefully as Beane stated in the letter to season ticket holders. We’re not going to blow even $80 mil in this free agency. Maybe $60 mil. Wouldn’t it be more prudent to get a Paradis, C, and two WR, or a TE and WR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) Its not our money .... Edited February 10, 2019 by HOUSE 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 7 hours ago, Rc2catch said: Yeah that’s a hefty price tag. But we gotta spend it somewhere right? With this much cap space and how much they HAVE to spend I’m sure they have to give out some bad contracts. Even at 10 million I wouldn’t consider this a bad contract for him cue Star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Yes. He's a dog for sure. $10M is definitely the number, and I'm good with it. I also think Buffalo has an inside track to land him on 2 fronts: the Carolina connection, and they were very high on him in the 2015 draft. Their 3rd round pick came down to him and John Miller--Miller was a better fit for Roman's scheme. The challenge is going to be center. Better start calling Philly and working on that Jason Kelce trade, because Paradis and Morse will have a LOT of attention 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: I don’t why people want to overpay for a possible injury risk Tackle, especially since G and C are cheaper, and as stated above the draft is rich with Tackles. Our interior is the greatest need where we can build a great running program to counter the Pass. Bottom line is Tackles cost a ton of money right behind QB’s,WR, and Pass Rushers. we can get those more expensive players in the draft on the cheap, and fortify the positions of need. Remember we need around $5 mil for the draft, $5 mil for an emergency fund, and save some cap space for who we extend the following year to keep players here for the long haul. Just one of them will be T. White in 2020. He is a lockdown CB. Even if the cap increases to $90 mil, that is $15-20 mil off the top, so use the money carefully as Beane stated in the letter to season ticket holders. We’re not going to blow even $80 mil in this free agency. Maybe $60 mil. Wouldn’t it be more prudent to get a Paradis, C, and two WR, or a TE and WR? You said yourself WR is more expensive free agent position so where’s the value in signing two? And who is even worth it this year? There are no #1 WRs in the market. Tyrell Williams maybe. I’d rather sign a vet C(Paradis or Morse) and RT Daryl Williams then go after skill positions in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 This draft is deep at OT. No thanks. Spend money on the Center. Paradis in particular. Throw a buttload of money at the guy . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 29 minutes ago, Chemical said: You said yourself WR is more expensive free agent position so where’s the value in signing two? And who is even worth it this year? There are no #1 WRs in the market. Tyrell Williams maybe. I’d rather sign a vet C(Paradis or Morse) and RT Daryl Williams then go after skill positions in the draft. Youre right but as I stated in the other thread, Tate and Brown wouldn’t be that expensive and be helpful to the team. When I referenced star WR like Julio Jones, and AB, they either are not available or are not in McD and Beane’s plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 43 minutes ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said: This draft is deep at OT. No thanks. Spend money on the Center. Paradis in particular. Throw a buttload of money at the guy . I have a few questions here: 1) how well did the deep tackle draft in 2014 work out for Buffalo? 2) with $80M in cap space, why does it have to be either center or tackle? 3) even if Denver doesn't re-sign Paradis, AND the new OL coach wants to run exclusively zone blocking, how confident are you that he'd come here? A smart team would be doing everything that they can to fill needs through FA and trade so that they don't feel forced into drafting for need, which is never the best way to build a franchise. 18 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Youre right but as I stated in the other thread, Tate and Brown wouldn’t be that expensive and be helpful to the team. When I referenced star WR like Julio Jones, and AB, they either are not available or are not in McD and Beane’s plans. Why wouldn't Tate be expensive? WRs tend to get PAID on the open market 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Newsflash: Either of the top 2 centers or the top 3 tackles will not be atainable unless they are getting 10M per year MINIMUM. Anyone thinking otherwise is completely delusional and should get used to the 10M starting point. It's just the way it is guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I have a few questions here: 1) how well did the deep tackle draft in 2014 work out for Buffalo? 2) with $80M in cap space, why does it have to be either center or tackle? 3) even if Denver doesn't re-sign Paradis, AND the new OL coach wants to run exclusively zone blocking, how confident are you that he'd come here? A smart team would be doing everything that they can to fill needs through FA and trade so that they don't feel forced into drafting for need, which is never the best way to build a franchise. Why wouldn't Tate be expensive? WRs tend to get PAID on the open market It didn't work out for us cuz the WR class was just as deep and we needed WR help I don't know what your point is but Jake Matthews, Taylor Lewan, Zack Martin, were all available when we were up. Not my fault our front office was inept and decided to trade up for Watkins. Just because you have that much in cap space, doesn't mean you spend it all on mediocre players to fill a need. Langston Walker and Derrick Dockery come to mind. How confident am I that Paradis would come here? Money talks. Edited February 10, 2019 by QuoteTheRaven83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Meazy26 said: My dream is to sign Daryl Williams, Matt Paradis, and Trent Brown. (LT) Trent Brown - (LG) Dion Dawkins - (C) Matt Paradis - (RG) Wyatt Teller - (RT) Daryl Williams Probably would cost us at least 10mil per year for each guy. It’s would take upwards of about 35mil of our cap space. Still would have nearly 50mil left over. Sign another stud pass rusher and a WR... Playoffs! One can dream, right? I like your plan but would be very hesitant to sign trent Brown at LT as he is an RT forced to play there when Isiah Wynn got hurt. He is not a good pass pro guy and the NE quick passing game covered up some glaring holes in his game. Remember when we played Langston Walker at LT - disaster! Have to believe C and RT are a target for McD and Beane and are more affordable. Then Draft your LT (Jonah Williams in Rd1) or Andre Dillard in Back half of rd 1 (trade scenario) or Rd 2. Get a 5th year option on a premium cost position if picked in Rd1 - may be why they try trade up to back of Rd 1 and snag Dillard. So Line could look like this: Rookie LT - Dawkins LG - FA Morse/Paradis C - Teller RG - FA Williams RT Good mix of youth and veterans and way more talent and power to run block. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) 44 minutes ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said: It didn't work out for us cuz the WR class was just as deep and we needed WR help I don't know what your point is but Jake Matthews, Taylor Lewan, Zack Martin, were all available when we were up. Not my fault our front office was inept and decided to trade up for Watkins. Just because you have that much in cap space, doesn't mean you spend it all on mediocre players to fill a need. Langston Walker and Derrick Dockery come to mind. How confident am I that Paradis would come here? Money talks. The point is clear: it's a patently bad plan to rely on filling needs in the draft. Why? Because when you're on the clock, and a guy like Aaron Donald is there, you should feel totally comfortable picking him and not having to worry about filling needs. It's a far better approach to fill needs with known commodities in FA and use the draft to stock the roster with the most talented players. Also, if money talks, then forget about Paradis. The Jets have more cap space than the Bills and an even bigger need at center. But you should know at this point that money does not talk. John Brown, Bryan Bulaga, Rick Wagner, and others over the years have turned down bigger money from Buffalo to go/stay elsewhere. Edited February 10, 2019 by thebandit27 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: Yes. He's a dog for sure. $10M is definitely the number, and I'm good with it. I also think Buffalo has an inside track to land him on 2 fronts: the Carolina connection, and they were very high on him in the 2015 draft. Their 3rd round pick came down to him and John Miller--Miller was a better fit for Roman's scheme. The challenge is going to be center. Better start calling Philly and working on that Jason Kelce trade, because Paradis and Morse will have a LOT of attention Yeah this is basically the Bills "Star Lotulelei pre-destined UFA signing" of 2019...........a move almost required after the Cordy Glenn trade in the same way that Star was needed to fix the structural damage caused by the Dareus trade. Except of course that Williams is a younger and much better player than Star if healthy. I think the right approach here is to fully guarantee the first two years of the deal rather than any pro-rating of bonus(say $22.5M of the $52.5M). Then when the McBeane draft picks start hitting FA they can: 1) extend/restructure him if he plays great 2) trade him if he plays very well but they want to use a cheaper replacement 3) release him with no dead money if he doesn't play well 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Just now, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah this is basically the Bills "Star Lotulelei pre-destined UFA signing" of 2019...........a move almost required after the Cordy Glenn trade in the same way that Star was needed to fix the structural damage caused by the Dareus trade. Except of course that Williams is a younger and much better player than Star if healthy. I think the right approach here is to fully guarantee the first two years of the deal rather than any pro-rating of bonus(say $22.5M of the $52.5M). Then when the McBeane draft picks start hitting FA they can: 1) extend/restructure him if he plays great 2) trade him if he plays very well but they want to use a cheaper replacement 3) release him with no dead money if he doesn't play well Agreed--call it the Reggie McKenzie contract approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 5 hours ago, Mountain Man said: Center needs to be the top O line priority. The interior looks completely disorganised without an experienced veteran. We need to go after Paradis and pay big. After that, maybe Williams comes into thinking. But it's a good draft O line class. And there is value in the first few rounds. The Bills surely want to upgrade at center.........but Russell Bodine is a very experienced but still young veteran..........and performance-wise he apparently grades out as around the 20th best starting center in the NFL so he's more serviceable than he gets credit for here. What they need is a more talented player. The pickings are slim there in FA..........my guess is they go to the draft with Bodine penciled in as the starter and then try to draft someone to compete with him in the 3rd or 4th rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Rc2catch said: Yeah that’s a hefty price tag. But we gotta spend it somewhere right? With this much cap space and how much they HAVE to spend I’m sure they have to give out some bad contracts. Even at 10 million I wouldn’t consider this a bad contract for him This year, in the draft, the OT class is superb. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/nfl-draft-2019-offensive-tackle-class-headlined-by-jonah-williams-looks-like-best-in-a-decade/ Edit: for a more recent article on this years' OT class, see https://thedraftnetwork.com/2019/01/31/offensive-tackle-class-shaping-up-to-be-great/ There is a good chance Jawaan Taylor may be available at #9 (genuine top 5 talent). You also have Little, Ford (my favorite) and Jonah Williams with first round talent - at least two of whom will fall to round 2. And I did not even include Risner. Mind you, I am not saying Daryl Williams is not good. On the contrary - I would love to have him. Just that, options cheaper than 10 mill per exist. By all means, overpay a bit for Paradis or Morse - not many centers available. Edited February 10, 2019 by IgotBILLStopay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seoulofstone Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Carolina want to keep him, but the reports are that he wants more than they are willing to offer. Talks last season went nowhere and he made the unfortunate decision to back himself this season and bet against injury. He will test the market and likely not return. He may get more than he is worth since there are several teams with the need and cap space. He had a great 2017, but prior to that he was just average, so it’s a lot of money to put into a guy who really only had one breakout season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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