YoloinOhio Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Well, well, well. Still wouldn't want this guy and am amazed that he remains in the NFL. This guy is Aldon Smith all over again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I$n't thi$ intere$ting. 5 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Will he turn the corner in discernment though. I don't know what happened. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. i don't know. What I do know is now he has a chance to make more informed decisions and to better himself. What will he do? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 This is like the 3rd time she's pressed charges and dropped them. How many times is the same woman going to get hush money from the same guy? This is nuts. And each time she recants and says 'I only did it because I love him and thought he would change'. Absolutely ridiculous. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I wonder if he gets an official suspension timeline now or just credit for time served? Guilty, not guilty, charges dropped, or whatever I hope he's smart enough to stay away from the woman he has had these issues with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 His middle name is Burdon, which is clearly true for any team dumb enough to give this loser a chance to play again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: This is like the 3rd time she's pressed charges and dropped them. How many times is the same woman going to get hush money from the same guy? This is nuts. And each time she recants and says 'I only did it because I love him and thought he would change'. Absolutely ridiculous. This clown needs a reverse restraining order, or a little self control. I wouldn’t want to be in the same county with her after all this stuff! But I guess being smart is not really his thing..... Or...maybe there’s a certain amount of genius here. He knows this one can be bought. . Edited January 3, 2019 by Augie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 18 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: This is like the 3rd time she's pressed charges and dropped them. How many times is the same woman going to get hush money from the same guy? This is nuts. And each time she recants and says 'I only did it because I love him and thought he would change'. Absolutely ridiculous. "Change"..what?--his habit of hitting her?. Maybe she only reports every 5th or 6th beating she takes from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, Augie said: This clown needs a reverse restraining order, or a little self control. I wouldn’t want to be in the same county with her after all this stuff! But I guess being smart is not really his thing..... Or...maybe there’s a certain amount of genius here. He knows this one can be bought. . I think it’s safe to assume they both need to stay away from each other. At some point SOMEONE in his life needs to say “my friend, you two are going to bring each other down. Stay away from her.” something to be said for the process in all this. There aren’t issues like this on your team when you have good moral leadership from top down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 35 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: This is like the 3rd time she's pressed charges and dropped them. How many times is the same woman going to get hush money from the same guy? This is nuts. And each time she recants and says 'I only did it because I love him and thought he would change'. Absolutely ridiculous. It doesn't have anything to do with her dropping the charges. Although, she lost a lot of credibility when she recanted and then recanted her recant, which probably played into this. Not enough evidence to go off of someone who doesn't give a straight story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) Fool me once... What man on this board would continue to date a woman who "falsely" accuses you of domestic violence, potentially ruining your career? At best, he's a moron of the highest order. Edited January 3, 2019 by Chicken Boo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: This is like the 3rd time she's pressed charges and dropped them. How many times is the same woman going to get hush money from the same guy? This is nuts. And each time she recants and says 'I only did it because I love him and thought he would change'. Absolutely ridiculous. you understand this same woman was convicted back in 2011 of falsely accusing a different man, right? 42 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Fool me once... What man on this board would contune to date a woman who "falsely" accuses you of domestic violence, potentially ruining your career? At best, he's a moron of the highest order. not to mention this same woman served jail time for false allegations back in 2011. she's complete scum.... and he's a complete IDIOT for keeping her around. you're an NFL player, bro.... go find some groupies that aren't completely freaking bats**t crazy and maybe just want some babies and child support instead of taking your whole career! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said: I think it’s safe to assume they both need to stay away from each other. At some point SOMEONE in his life needs to say “my friend, you two are going to bring each other down. Stay away from her.” something to be said for the process in all this. There aren’t issues like this on your team when you have good moral leadership from top down. That's a naive statement. There can be "issues like this" on any team because teams can't control whom their players form relationships with. Moreover, it takes two people to have a relationship, and sometimes people who are attracted to one another may not necessarily be good partners for one another outside of the bedroom. Plus, there's always a possibility that people can develop psychological issues over time or start to abuse drugs or alcohol. Some people, male and female, are really good at figuring out what pushes their significant others' buttons -- and get their jollies doing so. I'm not making excuses for any guy who hits a woman, but volatile domestic situations are not always the guy's fault, so you can't sanctimoniously blame a lack of "good moral leadership" on the part of the team when they erupt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 From the girls interview it's clear her aim is to destroy his career. So clearly seems she wants him to be with her so she's trying to keep him from becoming a celebrity football player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 30 minutes ago, SoTier said: That's a naive statement. There can be "issues like this" on any team because teams can't control whom their players form relationships with. Moreover, it takes two people to have a relationship, and sometimes people who are attracted to one another may not necessarily be good partners for one another outside of the bedroom. Plus, there's always a possibility that people can develop psychological issues over time or start to abuse drugs or alcohol. Some people, male and female, are really good at figuring out what pushes their significant others' buttons -- and get their jollies doing so. I'm not making excuses for any guy who hits a woman, but volatile domestic situations are not always the guy's fault, so you can't sanctimoniously blame a lack of "good moral leadership" on the part of the team when they erupt. Thank you for the dissertation on relationships. I think you didn’t exactly get the point of what i was saying. When you are a young man with an ego and money and don’t have the right people in the locker room or the professional environment, you can often go the wrong way. You can call it naivety, but as an adult, I’ve found that mentorship and leadership are two of the most important qualities to have in life, especially in the professional world. There are fewer incidents of Personal Conduct Policy Violations on teams with strong leadership from top to bottom. That means Front Office, Coaching staff, and teammates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 "Fool me once, shame on ... shame on you. Fool me... You can't get fooled again!'" . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
from_dunkirk Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 3 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: This is like the 3rd time she's pressed charges and dropped them. How many times is the same woman going to get hush money from the same guy? This is nuts. And each time she recants and says 'I only did it because I love him and thought he would change'. Absolutely ridiculous. No, she did not drop the charges. She was ready to testify in this case and was disappointed the DA decided to drop the charges due to lack of evidence, as all the news articles say. 2 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said: you understand this same woman was convicted back in 2011 of falsely accusing a different man, right? not to mention this same woman served jail time for false allegations back in 2011. she's complete scum.... and he's a complete IDIOT for keeping her around. Which is completely irrelevant. With your line of reasoning, a woman who had been sexually loose in the past would not make a good witness in a rape trial. 3 hours ago, H2o said: I wonder if he gets an official suspension timeline now or just credit for time served? Guilty, not guilty, charges dropped, or whatever I hope he's smart enough to stay away from the woman he has had these issues with. No charges but Ezekiel Elliott was still suspended by the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) Wasn't this the guy that had the girl friend that after filing charges the first time came forth & said she was just filing charges because he broke up with her ? Then after that it went away for a while then it came back up again for what ever reason . I'm not saying this guy is innocent in any way shape or form, but whenever this stuff comes about i always think of Bill Burr's comedy skit about Gold Diggin Whores ! Some of these women are actually that evil not saying that this is the case just sayin !! Edited January 3, 2019 by T master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 4 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: Fool me once... What man on this board would continue to date a woman who "falsely" accuses you of domestic violence, potentially ruining your career? At best, he's a moron of the highest order. I think you've got the chicken and the egg all scrambled here. If the known patterns of DV apply here (and they probably do), the reason she recanted and said it was false, is probably BECAUSE he is continuing to date her. Here, it could be a friend or family member of any of us involved in this cycle someday: Researchers listened to conversations between 17 accused male abusers in a Washington state detention facility and their female victims, all of whom decided to withdraw accusations of abuse. The couples knew they were being recorded, In the initial conversations there would often be a heated argument over events leading to the abuse charge, Bonomi said. The victim would be strong and resist the accused perpetrator’s account of what happened. Then the perpetrator would minimize the abuse until he persuaded the victim he didn’t deserve a felony charge. He would appeal to her sympathy, saying he was depressed and missed her and their children, Bonomi said. In one case, the accused perpetrator threatened suicide before the victim promised to help him get out of jail. In the third stage, the couples bond over their love for each other and the perpetrator gets the victim to recant. I'm not saying the charges are true. Maybe they're false. But the victim recanting doesn't prove it. The experience of prosecutors all across the country suggests that DV victims recanting abuse that actually happened is a common theme - the study above got it all on tape. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think you've got the chicken and the egg all scrambled here. If the known patterns of DV apply here (and they probably do), the reason she recanted and said it was false, is probably BECAUSE he is continuing to date her. Here, it could be a friend or family member of any of us involved in this cycle someday: Researchers listened to conversations between 17 accused male abusers in a Washington state detention facility and their female victims, all of whom decided to withdraw accusations of abuse. The couples knew they were being recorded, In the initial conversations there would often be a heated argument over events leading to the abuse charge, Bonomi said. The victim would be strong and resist the accused perpetrator’s account of what happened. Then the perpetrator would minimize the abuse until he persuaded the victim he didn’t deserve a felony charge. He would appeal to her sympathy, saying he was depressed and missed her and their children, Bonomi said. In one case, the accused perpetrator threatened suicide before the victim promised to help him get out of jail. In the third stage, the couples bond over their love for each other and the perpetrator gets the victim to recant. I'm not saying the charges are true. Maybe they're false. But the victim recanting doesn't prove it. The experience of prosecutors all across the country suggests that DV victims recanting abuse that actually happened is a common theme - the study above got it all on tape. The interesting thing here is that in this particular case, the DA didn’t believe the charges were worth pursuing. Added to that her previous retractions, and you have a clear reason for dismissal. So many people are far to quick assume guilt and innocence. Both of the people need to learn the value of a healthy relationship. Maybe that’s the cycle that needs to be broken? I’m going to sound like a broken record, but this is where a young man needs a mentor. Whether it’s a father, or an uncle, or a coach or a teammate; this young man needs to be shown a better way. That THIS is not what good relationships look like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think you've got the chicken and the egg all scrambled here. If the known patterns of DV apply here (and they probably do), the reason she recanted and said it was false, is probably BECAUSE he is continuing to date her. Here, it could be a friend or family member of any of us involved in this cycle someday: Researchers listened to conversations between 17 accused male abusers in a Washington state detention facility and their female victims, all of whom decided to withdraw accusations of abuse. The couples knew they were being recorded, In the initial conversations there would often be a heated argument over events leading to the abuse charge, Bonomi said. The victim would be strong and resist the accused perpetrator’s account of what happened. Then the perpetrator would minimize the abuse until he persuaded the victim he didn’t deserve a felony charge. He would appeal to her sympathy, saying he was depressed and missed her and their children, Bonomi said. In one case, the accused perpetrator threatened suicide before the victim promised to help him get out of jail. In the third stage, the couples bond over their love for each other and the perpetrator gets the victim to recant. I'm not saying the charges are true. Maybe they're false. But the victim recanting doesn't prove it. The experience of prosecutors all across the country suggests that DV victims recanting abuse that actually happened is a common theme - the study above got it all on tape. DV is very sad since there is not only fear of the individual and future encounters with the individual. They are usually financially not able to survive on their own and feel the best option is to stay and keep feeding they will change monster in their head (not trying to say they can't change but for most they never do) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 In most cases, an abusive person is always going to remain an abusive person. I always hold out the possibility of persons making a real change, but I have to see a reason for that change before I'll believe it. I haven't seen anything that suggests he has not been and isn't still a habitually abusive person. If I'm an NFL GM, I'm staying away from him for the foreseeable future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 5 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: This is nuts. And each time she recants and says 'I only did it because I love him and thought he would change'. Absolutely ridiculous. This happens all over the world every day. It is not isolated to the NFL. It isn't ridiculous. It is sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think you've got the chicken and the egg all scrambled here. If the known patterns of DV apply here (and they probably do), the reason she recanted and said it was false, is probably BECAUSE he is continuing to date her. I think you missed my point. I can't envision an innocent man staying with a woman who tried to ruin his career, painting him as a woman beater. Hence, "At best, he's a moron...(for staying with her)", at worst, the allegations are true and he's a domestic abuser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Well. Strickly on a business note. The 49ers cut bait too fast. Now hes somebody elses come up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 44 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: I think you missed my point. I can't envision an innocent man staying with a woman who tried to ruin his career, painting him as a woman beater. Hence, "At best, he's a moron...(for staying with her)", at worst, the allegations are true and he's a domestic abuser. Ah, I see, I did miss that. I was focused on the "falsely" and the date part, and the research showing there's actually a correlation. You're quite correct, were he truly an "innocent victim of circumstance" one would expect he'd be outta there and never come back. The whole "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me" bit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Redskins payout to the victim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 The video says it all about this loser, charges dropped or not. Welcome to the Snyder Insane Asylum Rueben. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 These guys should just stay home, stay single, and swim in their money like Scrooge McDuck. Maybe make love to a microwaved bagel once in a while. Its seems these issues are so easily avoidable, but some of these dudes just don't know how to avoid them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I’m just glad I didn’t see calls to bring him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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