OT Jonah Williams in the first

[Mr. WEO]

GMs always think that 1st round top 10 LT is going to help turn things around for the QB and the offense.

 

Pick one:  Joe Thomas had a "HOF career" on a team that churned through QBs and on an O-line that stunk every year he was there (they passed on Adrian Peterson, as did Arizona...for "Levi Brown"--they could have had Joe Staley AND AP!!).    how did Joe T help that team?  I bet AP would have been more help to any and all of those QBs.

 

Jake Long to the Dolphins instead of Matt Ryan.  How has that worked out?

 

Flowers in NYG--awful offense (got worse over past 2 years).  Miami has taken 2 1st rounders the past 4 years.  They stink.

 

Erik Fisher?  Luke Joeckel?--taken 1 and 2 in the same draft.  Trent Williams and Okung in the top 6 same draft.  Russell Wilson has been struggling behind horrible O-lines since he arrived in Seattle.

 

 etc.

 

Get Josh some playmakers.  TE/WR/RB.  Pick up some LT.

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

GMs always think that 1st round top 10 LT is going to help turn things around for the QB and the offense.

 

Pick one:  Joe Thomas had a "HOF career" on a team that churned through QBs and on an O-line that stunk every year he was there (they passed on Adrian Peterson, as did Arizona...for "Levi Brown"--they could have had Joe Staley AND AP!!).    how did Joe T help that team?  I bet AP would have been more help to any and all of those QBs.

 

Jake Long to the Dolphins instead of Matt Ryan.  How has that worked out?

 

Flowers in NYG--awful offense (got worse over past 2 years).  Miami has taken 2 1st rounders the past 4 years.  They stink.

 

Erik Fisher?  Luke Joeckel?--taken 1 and 2 in the same draft.  Trent Williams and Okung in the top 6 same draft.  Russell Wilson has been struggling behind horrible O-lines since he arrived in Seattle.

 

 etc.

 

Get Josh some playmakers.  TE/WR/RB.  Pick up some LT.

I wouldn’t say “pick up some LT”, then we end up with Jordan Mills playing LT, but I do agree, we need playmakers and guys that can CATCH THE DAM BALL over OL.  OL is next on the priority list though because our running game is putrid minus our scrambling qb.  Adding playmakers will help our running game as the defenses wont be able to focus on it as much, but building a good OL WILL help him,  there is no doubt

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I wouldn’t say “pick up some LT”, then we end up with Jordan Mills playing LT, but I do agree, we need playmakers and guys that can CATCH THE DAM BALL over OL.  OL is next on the priority list though because our running game is putrid minus our scrambling qb.  Adding playmakers will help our running game as the defenses wont be able to focus on it as much, but building a good OL WILL help him,  there is no doubt

 

My point is that LTs aren't value drafts at that price point.  Who but the Bills should know this best?  Look at their 2 best LTs in years--one was an undrafted TE and the other a second rounder.

 

The Bills need WRs,  they are desperate for a good TE (they have the worst roster in the NFL),  and their RB roster is suspect, old and indifferent at this point.  A top 10 LT changes nothing--history has proven this over and over...

[Logic]

50 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Skill players will help Allen. 

 

Pass or trade down.

You must have missed out putrid run game and all the times Allen was running for his life this year.

#17 won't have time to get the ball TO the new targets if he doesn't get some legitimate protection up front. Nor will our run game ever exit the doldrums of the NFL.

Playmakers are needed, yes. But I would say that simply upgrading the offensive line -- even if the Bills kept Foster, Zay, and McKenzie as their top three receivers -- would provide a massive upgrade to our offense and improve the effectiveness of both Allen and McCoy.

OL > skill players all day.

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

My point is that LTs aren't value drafts at that price point.  Who but the Bills should know this best?  Look at their 2 best LTs in years--one was an undrafted TE and the other a second rounder.

 

The Bills need WRs,  they are desperate for a good TE (they have the worst roster in the NFL),  and their RB roster is suspect, old and indifferent at this point.  A top 10 LT changes nothing--history has proven this over and over...

If you really want to play the "value draft picks" game, let's look at the recent success rate of first round receivers.

Corey Davis 
John Ross
Corey Coleman
Will Fuller 
Josh Doctson
Laquon Treadwell
Kevin White
Devante Parker
Philip Dorsett

Should I keep going?

While first round LTs haven't been sure things recently either, the hit rate at that position is superior to the recent hit rate at WR. 
 

[WideRightRevenge]

Sorry but having flashbacks/nightmares to our last Alabama OL drafted ... if we go with Williams hopefully he can deliver vs. his alumni.

 

2014 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Cyrus Kouandjio

 

Strengths:

• Powerful run-blocker
• Great length
• Huge bulk
• Strong and nasty in the ground game
• Athletic for a big blocker
• Gets push in the ground game
• Strong hands
• Quickness
• Mobility to hit blocks on the perimeter
• Gets to blocks on the second level
• Can anchor against bull rushes
• Experienced against elite competition
• Strength for man scheme
• Mobility for zone scheme
• Upside
• Great length (33 1/8" arms)
• Scheme versatile

Read more at http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2014ckouandjio.php#E63AKwtT4wdffEj5.99

[JohnC]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

My point is that LTs aren't value drafts at that price point.  Who but the Bills should know this best?  Look at their 2 best LTs in years--one was an undrafted TE and the other a second rounder.

 

The Bills need WRs,  they are desperate for a good TE (they have the worst roster in the NFL),  and their RB roster is suspect, old and indifferent at this point.  A top 10 LT changes nothing--history has proven this over and over...

Did you watch our line play this year? Our running game was often non-existent because there were no lanes to run. With better blocking you get better protection and a running game that enhances the passing game. 

 

You portray the position issue as being mutually exclusive. It's not. You can upgrade the OL and still add playmakers. Our line is an obvious point of weakness that reverberates throughout the offense. Upgrade it and you do a lot to put the qb in a position to succeed. 

[Mr. WEO]

11 minutes ago, Logic said:

You must have missed out putrid run game and all the times Allen was running for his life this year.

#17 won't have time to get the ball TO the new targets if he doesn't get some legitimate protection up front. Nor will our run game ever exit the doldrums of the NFL.

Playmakers are needed, yes. But I would say that simply upgrading the offensive line -- even if the Bills kept Foster, Zay, and McKenzie as their top three receivers -- would provide a massive upgrade to our offense and improve the effectiveness of both Allen and McCoy.

OL > skill players all day.

 

I just saw Allen run (forward) for 95 yards and 2 TDs, while throwing for 3 more. 

 

The O-line can be upgraded, no one is arguing it shouldn't be.  But it won't be noticeably better by sticking a rookie top 10 LT in there.  Teams seem to think this is true year after year, but it's obviously not true.   Pick up a T in the second or 3rd or FA.

 

The #9 pick has value.  Trade down for more picks.

Edited January 1, 2019 by Mr. WEO

[billspro]

16 hours ago, Cheesus said:

I'll pass on offensive lineman from Alabama , especially tackles.

 

 

Alabama
PLAYER	TEAM	POSITION
Jonathan Allen	Washington Redskins	Defensive End
Ryan Anderson	Washington Redskins	Linebacker
Anthony Averett	Baltimore Ravens	Cornerback
Mark Barron	Los Angeles Rams	Linebacker
Bradley Bozeman	Baltimore Ravens	Center
Tony Brown	Green Bay Packers	Cornerback
James Carpenter	New York Jets	Guard
Ha Ha Clinton-Dix	Washington Redskins	Safety
Landon Collins	New York Giants	Safety
Amari Cooper	Dallas Cowboys	Wide Receiver
Marcell Dareus	Jacksonville Jaguars	Defensive Tackle
Gehrig Dieter	Kansas City Chiefs	Wide Receiver
Kenyan Drake	Miami Dolphins	Running Back
Rashaan Evans	Tennessee Titans	Linebacker
Minkah Fitzpatrick	Miami Dolphins	Safety
D.J. Fluker	Seattle Seahawks	Guard
Reuben Foster	Washington Redskins	Linebacker
Robert Foster	Buffalo Bills	Wide Receiver
Shaun Dion Hamilton	Washington Redskins	Linebacker
Da'Shawn Hand	Detroit Lions	Defensive End
Ronnie Harrison	Jacksonville Jaguars	Safety
Derrick Henry	Tennessee Titans	Running Back
Dont'a Hightower	New England Patriots	Linebacker
O.J. Howard	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	Tight End
Marlon Humphrey	Baltimore Ravens	Cornerback
Mark Ingram II	New Orleans Saints	Running Back
Kareem Jackson	Houston Texans	Safety
Eddie Jackson	Chicago Bears	Safety
Julio Jones	Atlanta Falcons	Wide Receiver
Cyrus Jones	Baltimore Ravens	Cornerback
Ryan Kelly	Indianapolis Colts	Center
Dre Kirkpatrick	Cincinnati Bengals	Cornerback
Arie Kouandjio	Washington Redskins	Guard
AJ McCarron	Oakland Raiders	Quarterback
C.J. Mosley	Baltimore Ravens	Linebacker
Daron Payne	Washington Redskins	Defensive Tackle
Reggie Ragland	Kansas City Chiefs	Linebacker
Jarran Reed	Seattle Seahawks	Defensive Tackle
Calvin Ridley	Atlanta Falcons	Wide Receiver
A'Shawn Robinson	Detroit Lions	Defensive Tackle
Cam Robinson	Jacksonville Jaguars	Offensive Tackle
Bo Scarbrough	Seattle Seahawks	Running Back
JK Scott	Green Bay Packers	Punter
Cam Sims	Washington Redskins	Wide Receiver
Andre Smith	Cincinnati Bengals	Offensive Tackle
Damion Square	Los Angeles Chargers	Nose Tackle
Carson Tinker	Jacksonville Jaguars	Long Snapper
Dalvin Tomlinson	New York Giants	Defensive Tackle
Levi Wallace	Buffalo Bills	Cornerback
Chance Warmack	Philadelphia Eagles	Guard
Tim Williams	Baltimore Ravens	Linebacker
T.J. Yeldon	Jacksonville Jaguars	Running Back

 

I’m not a huge fan of Alabama oline either. If he is not an elite pass blocker I don’t want him top ten.

1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Well honestly I will say this, if Brian Daboll thinks he's elite and is the guy, I will support it wholeheartedly. I basically stating my opinion on the guy based on what I have seen and read. But I assume Daboll knows a hell of a lot more than me as a guy with intimate knowledge of the guy. I still won't like it, but I'd support it 100%. I just don't think the difference between Dawkins and Williams is big enough to use a top ten pick. 

 

I think Dawkins is fine and gets a bad rap here. He's been up and down at time, but he's a young player who needs to find consistency in his game. 

 

Good point, Daboll should know if he is elite or not.

[MrEpsYtown]

One other thing about Jonah Williams, if you make him a center, I think he could be the best in league. He's a technician with good feet, extremely smart with great intangibles. I'd be interesting in making him our offensive line anchor for the next ten years paired up with Josh Allen. He'd be an elite center imo. 

[JohnC]

4 minutes ago, WideRightRevenge said:

Sorry but having flashbacks/nightmares to our last Alabama OL drafted ... if we go with Williams hopefully he can deliver vs. his alumni.

 

2014 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Cyrus Kouandjio

 

Strengths:

• Powerful run-blocker
• Great length
• Huge bulk
• Strong and nasty in the ground game
• Athletic for a big blocker
• Gets push in the ground game
• Strong hands
• Quickness
• Mobility to hit blocks on the perimeter
• Gets to blocks on the second level
• Can anchor against bull rushes
• Experienced against elite competition
• Strength for man scheme
• Mobility for zone scheme
• Upside
• Great length (33 1/8" arms)
• Scheme versatile

Read more at http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2014ckouandjio.php#E63AKwtT4wdffEj5.99

Jonah Williams may be the most versatile and technically sound lineman in this draft. 

 

The scouting report that you posted is one of many that existed. Many of the others indicated that he had slow feet which is a disqualifying attribute to have for the pros. In college you can outsize and out-muscle the opposition. That doesn't work in the pros. 

[Elite Poster]

Sign me up 

[Logic]

13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I just saw Allen run (forward) for 95 yards and 2 TDs, while throwing for 3 more. 

 

The O-line can be upgraded, no one is arguing it shouldn't be.  But it won't be noticeably better by sticking a rookie top 10 LT in there.  Teams seem to think this is true year after year, but it's obviously not true.   Pick up a T in the second or 3rd or FA.

 

The #9 pick has value.  Trade down for more picks.

It IS true in some instances that 1st round rookie offensive linemen make teams noticeably better. Quenton Nelson and Ryan Kelly (both 1st round o-linemen) upgraded the Colts o-line massively and helped keep Luck upright and pave the way to the playoffs. Zack Martin upgraded the Cowboys line tremendously. Playoffs. If you want to limit it to offensive tackles only, Taylor Lewan and Jack Conklin for Tennessee. Playoffs. Eric Fisher for the Chiefs. Etc, etc.

I'm fine with trading down and accumulating more picks if that's what they want to do. But pretending that it's not possible to significantly upgrade your offensive line by drafting a first round linemen is silly.

Edited January 1, 2019 by Logic

[TroutDog]

My son graduated from UA last month. He walked the stage with Hurts and Williams. The latter is a MOUNTAIN of a man and was rock solid during his career against top level talent. 

 

I hope we get him!

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

And that's all I'm saying. I don't want a solid long term starter, who might not be a left tackle, in the top ten. I'm sorry, that's just no way to draft.

 

I only differ from you in that I would be okay with it. It isn't be any means my preferred approach but I think if you get a guy in the top 10 who ends up solidifying the left hand side of your line for 7 or 8 years I can live with that. And I think he and Dion together would. Whichever one of them ended up at LG would likely end up top 10 in the league there, whichever one ends up at LT you are likely looking at as a league average or just above level starter. That to me isn't the worst use of a top 10 pick. I'd prefer it to any of the receivers in this class who to me all have holes. 

 

My preference is take an a top end pass rusher (either a DE or a real penetrative DT) at #9 or trade back a few spots and then you are getting some value for your receiver. Which of those is my #1 option will depend on who is on the board at that stage. Staying at #9 and taking Jonah is kind of my third option. 

[ChanticleerBillsFan]

If you look at starting lineman across the league they are found throughout the draft. All rounds.  

 

We need lineman and will have a better idea after FA. 

 

Lineman are tough to figure out translating to thr league and there have been countless top ten bust of recent memory.  Gotta go BPA even if it’s a CB

Edited January 1, 2019 by ChanticleerBillsFan

[GunnerBill]

19 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I only differ from you in that I would be okay with it. It isn't be any means my preferred approach but I think if you get a guy in the top 10 who ends up solidifying the left hand side of your line for 7 or 8 years I can live with that. And I think he and Dion together would. Whichever one of them ended up at LG would likely end up top 10 in the league there, whichever one ends up at LT you are likely looking at as a league average or just above level starter. That to me isn't the worst use of a top 10 pick. I'd prefer it to any of the receivers in this class who to me all have holes. 

 

My preference is take an a top end pass rusher (either a DE or a real penetrative DT) at #9 or trade back a few spots and then you are getting some value for your receiver. Which of those is my #1 option will depend on who is on the board at that stage. Staying at #9 and taking Jonah is kind of my third option. 

 

Should also add my preferred way of attacking the line is FA. 

 

Sign Quinton Spain at LG, leave Dawkins at LT, sign one of the top 3 centers (Paradis, Morse or Easton) and re-sign Jordan Mills if he comes cheap. I would then look for a right tackle later in the draft to compete with Mills. Mills is not great and I don't want him starting next year... but believe me it is possible to get much worse at that spot if we move on from him before we have a replacement in house. I would rather spend my money on Spain and a centre and use the draft to upgrade RT. 

[MAJBobby]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Skill players will help Allen. 

 

Pass or trade down.

 

So doesn’t a legit OL. See Dak Prescott and Luck reemergence this year. 

[yungmack]

The old adage is, "Build a team from the inside out, front to back. " Those two rules intersect at the Center. That's the first position you have to get right. I believe a great deal of the O-line's problems this year had to do with inferior center play, which spilled over to the guards, which affected the tackles, yada yada yada. So upgrading there is Job One as I see it. Problem is, it's rare a rookie makes a huge impact right off the bat at Center so the Bills would have to be prepared to live with a learning curve. The alternative is to sign a FA center. In any case, a better than average Center is crucial.

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

It IS true in some instances that 1st round rookie offensive linemen make teams noticeably better. Quenton Nelson and Ryan Kelly (both 1st round o-linemen) upgraded the Colts o-line massively and helped keep Luck upright and pave the way to the playoffs. Zack Martin upgraded the Cowboys line tremendously. Playoffs. If you want to limit it to offensive tackles only, Taylor Lewan and Jack Conklin for Tennessee. Playoffs. Eric Fisher for the Chiefs. Etc, etc.

I'm fine with trading down and accumulating more picks if that's what they want to do. But pretending that it's not possible to significantly upgrade your offensive line by drafting a first round linemen is silly.

 

For Lewan's first 2 seasons, the Titans were 5-27.  Add Conklin and they became a perennial 9-7 team.  They are not a playoff team currently.  Their offense stinks.  Solid D though.   They, like the Bills, have a single playoff appearance in the past 10 years.

 

The Colts were 11-5 the first 3 seasons with Luck, and he took more than 40 sacks only twice in his career.  Sure they were an upgrade, but the Colts get in the playoffs because Luck is back and healthy, after taking a year plus to heal.

 

The Cowboys got back to being a playoff caliber team after they drafted Prescott.  They are in the playoffs because their D doesn't let opponents score many points.  Their offense is mediocre in yards and points (22nd).

 

Fisher?   Nah...the Chiefs fortunes turned around when they dumped Romeo Crennel for Reid and Picked up Alex Smith.  Fisher is along for the ride.  And talk about a team that is stacked with playmakers---I don't think Fisher plays much of a role in that turnaround, to put it mildly.

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

 

So doesn’t a legit OL. See Dak Prescott and Luck reemergence this year. 

 

 

Prescott had better numbers as a rookie 2 years ago.  His output is always mediocre as far as passing goes.

[BuffaloBill]

19 hours ago, KD in CA said:

I'd be very happy with a top OT, but is 300 on the small size for a tackle in this era?

 

 

This is what I was thinking.  Though it is hard to think of a 300 pound man as “small.”

[tcampbell104]

57 minutes ago, yungmack said:

The old adage is, "Build a team from the inside out, front to back. " Those two rules intersect at the Center. That's the first position you have to get right. I believe a great deal of the O-line's problems this year had to do with inferior center play, which spilled over to the guards, which affected the tackles, yada yada yada. So upgrading there is Job One as I see it. Problem is, it's rare a rookie makes a huge impact right off the bat at Center so the Bills would have to be prepared to live with a learning curve. The alternative is to sign a FA center. In any case, a better than average Center is crucial.

if they draft a center do what they did with wood , start him at guard his first year and let him get used to the nfl

[BobbyC81]

Folsom Bulldogs!!

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

7 hours ago, WideRightRevenge said:

Sorry but having flashbacks/nightmares to our last Alabama OL drafted ... if we go with Williams hopefully he can deliver vs. his alumni.

 

2014 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Cyrus Kouandjio

 

Strengths:

• Powerful run-blocker
• Great length
• Huge bulk
• Strong and nasty in the ground game
• Athletic for a big blocker
• Gets push in the ground game
• Strong hands
• Quickness
• Mobility to hit blocks on the perimeter
• Gets to blocks on the second level
• Can anchor against bull rushes
• Experienced against elite competition
• Strength for man scheme
• Mobility for zone scheme
• Upside
• Great length (33 1/8" arms)
• Scheme versatile

Read more at http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2014ckouandjio.php#E63AKwtT4wdffEj5.99

nightmares?  williams having the same issues as cyrus? are you superstitious or something? because they went to the same school?

 

 

I'm all on board if williams were the pick. he may not be there at 9 but LT is certainly of need and if he were there at 9, take him.

Edited January 2, 2019 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[KD in CA]

6 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

This is what I was thinking.  Though it is hard to think of a 300 pound man as “small.”

 

It is....especially for those of us old enough to remember the novelty of 'The Fridge' as the only 300 pound guy in the league!

[YoloinOhio]

Per Tony Pauline, he has spoken to at least a dozen sources who do not think he’s a top 10 pick

https://twitter.com/rotoworld_draft/status/1085305626832633856?s=21

[ctk232]

29 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Per Tony Pauline, he has spoken to at least a dozen sources who do not think he’s a top 10 pick

https://twitter.com/rotoworld_draft/status/1085305626832633856?s=21

Obviously no scout, but I could see him being rated way higher than his performance merits simply due to the draft pool and a good amount of team's needing to protect their QB (most newly found). I'll be interested to see when he, or either Little or Taylor, go off the board as I don't know that I'd take any of them in the top 10.

 

If we stay there, I would really rather prefer BPA at 9 over Williams, even Little or Taylor. I get we need OL guys, but not if the value for talent isn't there.

On 1/1/2019 at 4:00 PM, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

nightmares?  williams having the same issues as cyrus? are you superstitious or something? because they went to the same school?

 

 

I'm all on board if williams were the pick. he may not be there at 9 but LT is certainly of need and if he were there at 9, take him.

Personal preference aside, Beane wants to go BPA in the draft and has communicated he never wants to pick by need (we'll see how true that is this year). Whether or not we pick WIlliams or any OL at all in the first round will be determined by our luck in FA. But even then, I don't see us going OT in the first with our 9th, unless we trade back and an OL guy does become BPA. Which lends to my personal preference, go BPA - and I don't personally see any OL guy as top 15 talent overall in this draft pool. Again, no expert but just fwiw.

Edited January 16, 2019 by ctk232

[DCOrange]

33 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Per Tony Pauline, he has spoken to at least a dozen sources who do not think he’s a top 10 pick

https://twitter.com/rotoworld_draft/status/1085305626832633856?s=21

 

Charlie Campbell from WalterFootball has been saying this for awhile too. From December: http://walterfootball.com/nflhotpress/article/Teams-Project-Jonah-Williams-in-Mid--to-Late-Round-1

 

Prior to and during the 2018 college football season, some in the media have projected Alabama left tackle Jonah Williams to be a high first-round pick. Williams has been a mainstay on the Crimson Tide offensive line over the past few years and a steady blocker in both phases to help them produce the best offense they've had during the Nick Saban era. In speaking to sources at five different NFL teams, four of them give graded Williams as a late first-round pick, and some of those noted discussion about Williams switching positions in the NFL. 

All of the team sources expected Williams to be a first-round pick, with four of the five giving him that grade. The remaining team had graded him for Day 2. Even though most graded him as a late first-rounder, they thought he could go higher because this is a weak offensive line draft class and there are plenty of teams that need help up front. One national scout estimated Williams' range being from No. 15-30, and others were in agreement with that. 

The area of disagreement about Williams came in his NFL position. Two teams felt Williams should move inside to guard. One said he should move to right tackle, and one said he could stay at left tackle. Interestingly, one director of college scouting said they thought Williams should play center in the NFL. That director said that the Alabama coaches have told some pro evaluators that they wanted to play Williams at center because they thought that could be his most effective position, but they had to play him at left tackle to field their best starting offensive line. 

Williams is not expected to be a workout warrior leading up to the 2019 NFL Draft. A few evaluators felt that Williams is not a great athlete and not powerful, so the pre-draft workouts won't completely illustrate his strengths. Sources from across the teams compliment his intelligence and technique. Those are some of the attributes that they feel will help him in a position change for playing guard, right tackle, or center. 

In the 2019 NFL Draft, Williams is expected to be selected on the opening night, but the position announced with that selection will be a source of intrigue around the league.

[Logic]

According to this tweet, it sounds like a lot of executives don't believe Williams is a lock to go in the top 10. He's thought of as anywhere from a mid-1st to 2nd round pick.

The question for Bills fans, if its true that his best fit may be as a guard (a la Zack Martin for the Cowboys)...do Bills fans still want him in the 1st? 

It's an ideological question, really: are you still okay with drafting an offensive lineman early if it's an INTERIOR offensive lineman?

For me, I would be okay with it IF the Bills could trade down first. I don't love the idea of taking a guard at 9. If they could get into the 16-20 range and still grab him? Then I'm all for it. Fortify the line at all costs, even if it means selecting an interior lineman early.

Edited January 16, 2019 by Logic

[Bray Wyatt]

I think the Clemson game hurt his draft stock a bunch. I remember one play he got bull rushed and knocked on his ass, couldnt have been a good look

 

 

Edited January 16, 2019 by Bray Wyatt

[Dkollidas]

Despite what some analysts say, I don’t think he’ll even be there at 9. This draft lacks elite offensive talent. Receiver and tight end are very very deep, but no Julio Jones or AJ Green. Quarterback will be overdrafted because that’s always what happens, Haskins might be the only true value 1st Round QB in the draft. But Williams is really the highest consensus graded offensive player. And the draft won’t go all defense in the first 8 picks, Williams will go in there somewhere. 

 

 

[Búfalo Blanco]

Nah... Every Bills fan knows the 1st round is reserved for CB.

[Spielman]

I would not take him at #9.  Not after the Clemson game.  He looked average, or below, against NFL talent. Give me some Cody Ford and grab a tackle in FA.

[RochesterRob]

3 minutes ago, Búfalo Blanco said:

Nah... Every Bills fan knows the 1st round is reserved for CB.

  If Greedy Williams is available at 6 don't be surprised if we do offer our 1 and 4 to go up and get him.  It would probably be worth it.

[Búfalo Blanco]

2 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  If Greedy Williams is available at 6 don't be surprised if we do offer our 1 and 4 to go up and get him.  It would probably be worth it.

Surprised...? Who'd be surprised? Dick Jauron?

 

[billsbackto81]

On 12/31/2018 at 7:04 PM, John from Riverside said:

To me it just makes too much sense

 

Jonah -LT

Dion - LG

Best free agent center we can find

Teller - RG

Best free agent RT we can find

 

Sprinkle in some mid round offensive linemen types that dont have to start right away.....2nd and 3rd rounds.....WR and RB

 

I really feel they'll make a run at Darryl Williams at RT and draft Jonah or Little come #9. 

[DJB]

Ferrell showed why J Williams is not a top 10 pick. Hes just not that athletic 

[njbuff]

The player from Bama they should go after is Joshua Jacobs.

[DJB]

I juat think the Bills are going to invest their free agency money on more proven line players than drafting a tackle or guard high in the draft. 

 

If a WR is worthwhile at #9 hopefully Beane takes him. But with everything Beane has said about taking BPA i dont think we go WR round 1 any more.  Round 2 seems like the sweet spot for a WR

4 minutes ago, njbuff said:

The player from Bama they should go after is Joshua Jacobs.

 

That dude can ball. 

 

He looks like a first round talent though so unless hes there at pick 2 i doubt and hope we dont tske a RB in round 1 

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1 minute ago, DJB said:

I juat think the Bills are going to invest their free agency money on more proven line players than drafting a tackle or guard high in the draft. 

 

If a WR is worthwhile at #9 hopefully Beane takes him. But with everything Beane has said about taking BPA i dont think we go WR round 1 any more.  Round 2 seems like the sweet spot for a WR

 

That dude can ball. 

 

He looks like a first round talent though so unless hes there at pick 2 i doubt and hope we dont tske a RB in round 1 

 

If he is good enough, why not.

 

Not at 9, but maybe trade back into the first for him.

 

But, it is all here say. Who has any idea what this team is going to do.

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24 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  If Greedy Williams is available at 6 don't be surprised if we do offer our 1 and 4 to go up and get him.  It would probably be worth it.

 

It would cost more than a 4th round pick to move up 3 spots in the first round. I suspect it would take a 3rd rounder swapped for a 7th at the very least.