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3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Just dawned on me Whaley came up in Pittsburgh.

 

He sort of had the same knack Pittsburgh looks to have prioritizing individual talent above team first guys. 

 

One could argue the Steelers have perpetualy underperformed for the past decade 

 

 

Can’t win pin the Antonio Brown fiasco on Whaley somehow?

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2 minutes ago, vincec said:

Can’t win pin the Antonio Brown fiasco on Whaley somehow?

 

Look up, way above your head... the point made, that’s what was passing over.

 

Whales had the pattern of priotizing talent over teamwork. He found and retained talented players.  That pattern is similar to Pit, where he grew up.

 

im not blaming him for jack.... well maybe I could blame him for not taking miles jack, over Shaq? ?

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3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Good, I hate world culture.  How was NE’s culture when Hernandez was murdering people?

 

Culture and arm talent are some of the most overused words constantly being thrown around.

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1 hour ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Because they don't fire HCs.  When was the last time Pitt fired one?  They've only had three in my lifetime - Chuck Knoll, Bill Cowher, and Mike Tomlin.

 

 

So they would watch 2-3 seasons of not making the playoffs, likely the retirement of Ben.....and only then decide to fire Tomlin?  That's what the poster I was responding to said.

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3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

So they would watch 2-3 seasons of not making the playoffs, likely the retirement of Ben.....and only then decide to fire Tomlin?  That's what the poster I was responding to said.

 

This is a possibility, at the very least it can't be dismissed.  Ben might end up retiring before the Steelers can even consider firing Tomlin.  I'm not saying holding onto Tomlin is a good idea; I would have fired him if I were the Steelers' brass.  He has lost control of the team and makes some very bad in game decisions.

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18 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

It's time for the Bills to sacrifice themselves and bring Brown in. I know he's not needed but he needs a job. Let's help him out.

 

I really want to bring him in badly but am very worried AB is a complete headcase and could spoil all the good that is happening in Buffalo. 

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2 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

This is a possibility, at the very least it can't be dismissed.  Ben might end up retiring before the Steelers can even consider firing Tomlin.  I'm not saying holding onto Tomlin is a good idea; I would have fired him if I were the Steelers' brass.  He has lost control of the team and makes some very bad in game decisions.

 

Also tripped a player running full speed during a game. Disgusting

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37 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

 

Also tripped a player running full speed during a game. Disgusting

 

He tried to trip Jacoby Jones on a Thanksgiving night game, but was not successful.  Like no one was watching and wouldn't see him stick his foot out from the sideline.  Tomlin got a $100,000 fine for that.  Embarrassing.

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1 hour ago, wppete said:

 

I really want to bring him in badly but am very worried AB is a complete headcase and could spoil all the good that is happening in Buffalo. 

 

He's not a headcase, that's just the crap one of the most respected franchises are putting out there.

 

AB, Bell headcases.... White rapist who crashed motorcycles... no problem there. The franchise is going to be garbage in 10 years. They're living in the past and their past accomplishments. That won't work with millenials. We don't care about that.

1 hour ago, Starr Almighty said:

It's time for the Bills to sacrifice themselves and bring Brown in. I know he's not needed but he needs a job. Let's help him out.

 

Eh... he's absolutely needed. Our wide receivers are crap.

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Just now, Ol Dirty B said:

 

He's not a headcase, that's just the crap one of the most respected franchises are putting out there.

 

AB, Bell headcases.... White rapist who crashed motorcycles... no problem there. The franchise is going to be garbage in 10 years. They're living in the past and their past accomplishments. That won't work with millenials. We don't care about that.

 

Why do you have to bring race into this?!?!?

Cmon man....

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1 minute ago, wppete said:

 @SDS

 

Really? I didn't say anything offensive or wrong, was just my opinion on the matter. Lol.

 

Is this like when you run to your parents because you dont like what someone else said? Really, what are you doing there?

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46 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

He tried to trip Jacoby Jones on a Thanksgiving night game, but was not successful.  Like no one was watching and wouldn't see him stick his foot out from the sideline.  Tomlin got a $100,000 fine for that.  Embarrassing.

 

Deserved a ban from the season with possible reinstatement at the end. 

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1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

no

 

 

 

I see both sides of it. I'm interested in how much money of that contract Pitt is eating. If it's the majority of it, I think you absolutely considering it.

 

You'd have a number 1 cheap and the QB on a rookie contract and you can go after whoever or spend wherever after that 

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43 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

He's not a headcase, that's just the crap one of the most respected franchises are putting out there.

 

AB, Bell headcases.... White rapist who crashed motorcycles... no problem there. The franchise is going to be garbage in 10 years. They're living in the past and their past accomplishments. That won't work with millenials. We don't care about that.

 

Eh... he's absolutely needed. Our wide receivers are crap.

 

hey Ray Lewis murdered someone so

 

 

2 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I see both sides of it. I'm interested in how much money of that contract Pitt is eating. If it's the majority of it, I think you absolutely considering it.

 

You'd have a number 1 cheap and the QB on a rookie contract and you can go after whoever or spend wherever after that 

 

McDermott wants football lifers, ab is not happening

 

 

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29 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

hey Ray Lewis murdered someone so

 

 

 

McDermott wants football lifers, ab is not happening

 

 

 

I agree, I dont think ab is happening. I was just giving my opinion. I'd love the move. I know I'm in the minority and that's fine.

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8 hours ago, wppete said:

 

I really want to bring him in badly but am very worried AB is a complete headcase and could spoil all the good that is happening in Buffalo. 

 

If we are that delicate, is what’s happening really that good?

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8 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Just watched this again and came away drooooling again.  Go get this kid!

I’ll admit I know next to nothing about this kid other than he’s fairly large and people have said he needs to run well this spring to solidify a high draft slot. 

 

My take away is that, while very valuable, speed can be overrated and I love this dude. Makes plays for his qb and makes up for what looks to be pedestrian field speed(he gets caught a couple times) with ELITE field vision. 

 

Sign me up. 

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3 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I’ll admit I know next to nothing about this kid other than he’s fairly large and people have said he needs to run well this spring to solidify a high draft slot. 

 

My take away is that, while very valuable, speed can be overrated and I love this dude. Makes plays for his qb and makes up for what looks to be pedestrian field speed(he gets caught a couple times) with ELITE field vision. 

 

Sign me up. 

 

Yeah, and I’m not sure why people are concerned by his speed, he’s made several explosive plays to me.  Love this kid and love Metcalf.  

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19 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Yeah, and I’m not sure why people are concerned by his speed, he’s made several explosive plays to me.  Love this kid and love Metcalf.  

I have unfortunately become a speed guy. Watching Kelvin Benjamin repeatedly will do that to a person. I think he's too slow. Mike Williams (USC) comes to mind. Great college player, however. 

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On 1/2/2019 at 1:32 PM, whatdrought said:

My dad, a Steelers fan, is in hard denial that the era of the 3 B's is over and with nothing to show. I know they don't fire coaches, but come on... How do you keep someone who can't produce with that much talent?

 

Come on man, he has taken the Steelers to 2 SB, won 1, he has a regular season record of 131-71-1 career record, he's the winningest head coach based on win percentage with 68.8%, yeah he really blows. Marv Levy had 4 HOF players and won 0 SB.

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16 hours ago, wppete said:

 

Why do you have to bring race into this?!?!?

Cmon man....

 

He already told you.....because he's a millennial.

 

The goal is no longer a 'colorblind society'.  The goal is to slice and dice every situation through the perspective of race, no matter how irrelevant it is to the situation.

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As far as Antonio brown coming here I don't think it would be a good fit and I'm not saying that as a bitter Steelers/Bills fan, I'm saying it because the moment Josh Allen stops throwing him 15 targets a game he's going to go into a tirade, this has been his thing for awhile, he was good about his first contract and then was a diva ever since and yes he is an amazing player but he signed the contract, then they extended him now another tirade. I wouldn't want Brown anywhere near Josh Allen but that's just my opinion. Brown needs a veteran QB who will know how to force feed his diva WR and I don't think that's what Allen needs to be doing in year 2.

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3 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

I have unfortunately become a speed guy. Watching Kelvin Benjamin repeatedly will do that to a person. I think he's too slow. Mike Williams (USC) comes to mind. Great college player, however. 

 

I agree, except he is a lot faster than KB was this season IMO.  I am not sure what his actual speed is, but watching him he seems fast enough to me.  For instance, Hopkins doesn’t have elite speed, neither did guys like Boldin, Marshall, Fitzgerald, etc.  They aren’t slow, but also not burners.  KB was so slow he should honestly think about converting to a TE with his size.  But his ego will never let that happen I am sure.  

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6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I agree, except he is a lot faster than KB was this season IMO.  I am not sure what his actual speed is, but watching him he seems fast enough to me.  For instance, Hopkins doesn’t have elite speed, neither did guys like Boldin, Marshall, Fitzgerald, etc.  They aren’t slow, but also not burners.  KB was so slow he should honestly think about converting to a TE with his size.  But his ego will never let that happen I am sure.  

KB is also likely a genuinely terrible in-line blocker. 

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10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I agree, except he is a lot faster than KB was this season IMO.  I am not sure what his actual speed is, but watching him he seems fast enough to me.  For instance, Hopkins doesn’t have elite speed, neither did guys like Boldin, Marshall, Fitzgerald, etc.  They aren’t slow, but also not burners.  KB was so slow he should honestly think about converting to a TE with his size.  But his ego will never let that happen I am sure.  

 

Yes, they don't have to be the fastest IMO. It all comes down to route running ability and being able to get separation and get open. Speed helps but as long as they aren't as slow as KB is then I think they will be just fine.

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