Updated: Steelers open to trading Antonio Brown - Rooney sees it hard bringing him back

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

10 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

Sure there is, he's 30 years old and hasn't played in a long time. Plus he's got a bad attitude. Giving up a first-round pick for him is just asinine.

I don’t know that it would take a 1 for sure but if you can get the best WR in the nfl for another 3-4 years it’s anything but asinine. We will almost certainly get less at #9 then would get out of Brown. I would have no issue with that trade but as I have said probably 3 times in this thread.. he’s difficult off the field which will be a non starter for the guys running our team. Zero interest in character concerns regardless of talent

[Alphadawg7]

Wait!? What!?  Now Steelers are open to trading him?  How could this be? @dabills21 told me it’s impossible and he will bet anyone who suggests it could happen.  

 

I suggest dabills21 hit up the Steelers and make a big wager with them because apparently the Steelers aren’t internally aware that it’s impossible!  I mean you could make a bunch of money off the absolute impossibility that he could ever be traded!  

 

Silly Steelers, so naive and ignorant to not even know it’s impososble for them to trade Brown.  Lucky us, we got prophets here at TSW who know the future better than we know our realities to keep us ahead of the curve on all things.

[Pete]

I prefer AJ Green.  Much more of a professional.  We do not need AB teaching Foster to be a diva

[Matt_In_NH]

I am surprised how many people want Brown on the Bills considering:

 

1. He is aging and we have seen his peak

2.  He quit on his team going into the playoffs, that is kind of unforgiveable

3.  He is an assclown

 

 

But but but he had good stats for fantasy fooball so it has to happen.................meh

[Hapless Bills Fan]

29 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I don’t know that it would take a 1 for sure but if you can get the best WR in the nfl for another 3-4 years it’s anything but asinine. We will almost certainly get less at #9 then would get out of Brown. I would have no issue with that trade but as I have said probably 3 times in this thread.. he’s difficult off the field which will be a non starter for the guys running our team. Zero interest in character concerns regardless of talent

 

Well, I could be wrong, but the Stillers are gonna have to take a big-ass salary cap hit if they trade him.

So I don't see how they can justify it unless they get the chance at a big return - like a 1st round pick.

[YoloinOhio]

He had the ability to play last week in a must win game and skipped practice, an MRI, and got into a fight with the QB. He took himself out voluntarily of a game that decided a playoff berth. You just can’t bring that guy back. He’s a great talent and football player but you cannot bring him back. Once a guy quits in an nfl locker room, it is over. He will end up on another team. 

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well, I could be wrong, but the Stillers are gonna have to take a big-ass salary cap hit if they trade him.

So I don't see how they can justify it unless they get the chance at a big return - like a 1st round pick.

Not too bad 

 

Edited January 6, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[thebandit27]

4 minutes ago, mattynh said:

I am surprised how many people want Brown on the Bills considering:

 

1. He is aging and we have seen his peak

2.  He quit on his team going into the playoffs, that is kind of unforgiveable

3.  He is an assclown

 

 

But but but he had good stats for fantasy fooball so it has to happen.................meh

 

We've seen his peak?

 

Didn't he lead the NFL in receiving TDs and have another 1,200-yard season with close to 100 receptions?

 

That's a highly debatable statement 

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

We've seen his peak?

 

Didn't he lead the NFL in receiving TDs and have another 1,200-yard season with close to 100 receptions?

 

That's a highly debatable statement 

I think he’s in his prime and will continue to produce at a high level with a decent QB situation. But i think he’s done in Pittsburgh. His true colors have been shown. Needs a change of scenery. 

[SCBills]

Big pass on this guy.   Get Allen Tyrell Williams & Chris Conley or a guy in the 2nd Round.  

 

The dude is a locker room cancer.  

 

This team seems to have a family feel and our biggest “diva” (quotation marks indicate sarcasm) is LeSean McCoy who is a great teammate. 

 

I dont feel like subjecting our franchise QB who seems to be as high character as they come to Antonio Brown’s “it’s all about me” attitude. 

[BarleyNY]

3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

We've seen his peak?

 

Didn't he lead the NFL in receiving TDs and have another 1,200-yard season with close to 100 receptions?

 

That's a highly debatable statement 

 

I agree that Brown is still an elite talent and will be for a few more seasons.  But I just don't want him on my team.  He sure seems to be all about himself and not his team.  You can sometimes get away with adding a selfish, but highly talented player to a mature, successful team. But you can't build a team like that.

 

I wonder if any of the posters here who are clambering for AB also rip on OBJ (who hasn't done done things that come close to what AB just did).

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, BarleyNY said:

 

I agree that Brown is still an elite talent and will be for a few more seasons.  But I just don't want him on my team.  He sure seems to be all about himself and not his team.  You can sometimes get away with adding a selfish, but highly talented player to a mature, successful team. But you can't build a team like that.

 

I wonder if any of the posters here who are clambering for AB also rip on OBJ (who hasn't done done things that come close to what AB just did).

 

Sure, that opinion holds water for me.

 

Basing it on a supposed decline in production doesn't.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

9 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

We've seen his peak?

 

Didn't he lead the NFL in receiving TDs and have another 1,200-yard season with close to 100 receptions?

 

That's a highly debatable statement 

His career highs in receptions and yards were in 2014-15. 

 

Ages 25-27 avg 125rec 1677yds 10tds

Ages 28-30 avg 113 rec 1496 yds 13 tds

 

His catch % was also higher. Not  a terrible drop off.

 

But, his peak was clearly in the ages 25-27 , as the stats show and you would expect.

 

The saying don't pay a guy in his thirties for what he did in his twenties is applicable here.

 

I would happily bet you that he never never tops his peak numbers again.

[Matt_In_NH]

12 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

We've seen his peak?

 

Didn't he lead the NFL in receiving TDs and have another 1,200-yard season with close to 100 receptions?

 

That's a highly debatable statement 

Hes what 31 and plays with a QB that works well with him. In Buffalo his production will go down...a lot.  What do you think will happen, 5 more years of 1500 yards and 15 TD's?   5 years is not at all realistic though.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

36 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He had the ability to play last week in a must win game and skipped practice, an MRI, and got into a fight with the QB. He took himself out voluntarily of a game that decided a playoff berth. You just can’t bring that guy back. He’s a great talent and football player but you cannot bring him back. Once a guy quits in an nfl locker room, it is over. He will end up on another team. 

Not too bad 

 

 

I guess my point is that the Stillers are still going to be paying off a star player's salary cap hit if they trade AB.

So it's not unreasonable that they're going to want to get something like a high draft pick that would let them have a shot at a new star for it.

 

They don't have a lot of cap room.

 

[thebandit27]

27 minutes ago, Josh "Real Deal" Allen said:

His career highs in receptions and yards were in 2014-15. 

 

Ages 25-27 avg 125rec 1677yds 10tds

Ages 28-30 avg 113 rec 1496 yds 13 tds

 

His catch % was also higher. Not  a terrible drop off.

 

But, his peak was clearly in the ages 25-27 , as the stats show and you would expect.

 

The saying don't pay a guy in his thirties for what he did in his twenties is applicable here.

 

I would happily bet you that he never never tops his peak numbers again.

 

Well, you'd have already lost that wager since he scored 15 TDs this season 

 

26 minutes ago, mattynh said:

Hes what 31 and plays with a QB that works well with him. In Buffalo his production will go down...a lot.  What do you think will happen, 5 more years of 1500 yards and 15 TD's?   5 years is not at all realistic though.

 

I don't think I said anything about 5 years. How about 2 years while your young QB develops?

[rayray808]

Risk vs Reward

 

Reward - can he win us a Super Bowl - NO

Risk - can he melt our locker room and change the trajectory of Josh Allen's leadership - YES

 

pass

[purple haze]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

I prefer AJ Green.  Much more of a professional.  We do not need AB teaching Foster to be a diva

I hear you, but AB doesn't have the injury history though.  He usually is available to play.  Either player would be a big help though.

14 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

He's def an assclown.... as are a lot of NFL players. 

As are a lot of people in general...

[Mat68]

Two 2's and I would consider it.  In today's NFL I think a Wr can play longer.  Get a solid 3 to 4 years isnt unrealistic.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

57 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Well, you'd have already lost that wager since he scored 15 TDs this season 

 

 

I don't think I said anything about 5 years. How about 2 years while your young QB develops?

LOL! You're a joke expert. Claims victory like Trump with no argument.

Edited January 6, 2019 by Josh "Real Deal" Allen

[thebandit27]

9 minutes ago, Josh "Real Deal" Allen said:

LOL! You're a joke expert. Claims victory like Trump with no argument.

 

Says the guy that claimed his career highs came 4 years ago when he had more TDs this season than in any other year of his career.

 

Oh, and by the way, there's a whole forum dedicated to lousy political takes, so usher yourself on over there if you want to take that route.

 

And next time, try making a true statement before you throw darts.

17 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Two 2's and I would consider it.  In today's NFL I think a Wr can play longer.  Get a solid 3 to 4 years isnt unrealistic.

 

That's why I said to trade the 9th pick and our 2nd rounder for AB and the 20th pick. Basically works out to two 2s

Edited January 6, 2019 by thebandit27

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

15 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Says the guy that claimed his career highs came 4 years ago when he had more TDs this season than in any other year of his career.

 

Oh, and by the way, there's a whole forum dedicated to lousy political takes, so usher yourself on over there if you want to take that route.

 

And next time, try making a true statement before you throw darts.

 

That's why I said to trade the 9th pick and our 2nd rounder for AB and the 20th pick. Basically works out to two 2s

So you argument is that his numbers and his peak were this year....Great argument -not so much

 

Just admit it when your wrong

Edited January 6, 2019 by Josh "Real Deal" Allen

[thebandit27]

3 minutes ago, Josh "Real Deal" Allen said:

So you argument is that his numbers and his peak were this year....Great argument -not so much

 

Just admit it when your wrong

 

No, you just can't read.

 

I asked you why felt so certain that you'd seen his peak. Your answer was that he had all of his career highs 4 years ago.

 

That's not true as I pointed out, but instead of acknowledging that you decided to get personal (and political), which was a really dumb idea.

 

But everyone does dumb things every now and then, so don't fret.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

14 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

No, you just can't read.

 

I asked you why felt so certain that you'd seen his peak. Your answer was that he had all of his career highs 4 years ago.

 

That's not true as I pointed out, but instead of acknowledging that you decided to get personal (and political), which was a really dumb idea.

 

But everyone does dumb things every now and then, so don't fret.

And you got personal.

Your answer was you think it is debatable we have seen his best because he had 15 tds this year. This In spite of him being 31 next year and with declining production as I showed. I bet you wouldn't put anything serious on the line betting on that one. So no I didn't lose the bet as you said, you just decided to be a BS vendor and act like you're always right. You know damn well that Brown is very unlikely to produce better in the future than he did in the 2013-15 period (his peak established performance level). Have a nice life as a pseudo-football expert who is never wrong and always comes on here to point out crap like........If they'd just picked the guy I said 3 years ago they'd be all set because I'm smarter than they are. So much hubris.

[thebandit27]

5 hours ago, Josh "Real Deal" Allen said:

And you got personal.

Your answer was you think it is debatable we have seen his best because he had 15 tds this year. This In spite of him being 31 next year and with declining production as I showed. I bet you wouldn't put anything serious on the line betting on that one. So no I didn't lose the bet as you said, you just decided to be a BS vendor and act like you're always right. You know damn well that Brown is very unlikely to produce better in the future than he did in the 2013-15 period (his peak established performance level). Have a nice life as a pseudo-football expert who is never wrong and always comes on here to point out crap like........If they'd just picked the guy I said 3 years ago they'd be all set because I'm smarter than they are. So much hubris.

 

Ah, so you expected that a personal attack would be met congenially? Well, that's stupid.

 

My point was clear, and as I said multiple times, I see no reason to conclude that Brown won't remain one of the 3 best WRs in football for at least another 2 seasons.

 

As for my posts, if you don't like them,

don't read them. Ignore function to the rescue there

 

I also never claim to be smarter the NFL talent evaluators. But I also am willing to put my evaluations out there for others to pick apart, so when I get it right I'm not afraid to say so. And when I get it wrong I claim that too.

 

 

[PlayoffsPlease]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

He's def an assclown.... as are a lot of NFL players. 

 

Would you like a collection of non ass clowns who are average at football or a mix bunch with some ass clowns who will help the team get to a Super Bowl? 

One of the most important philosophical questions of the age. 

[Matt_In_NH]

3 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Well, you'd have already lost that wager since he scored 15 TDs this season 

 

 

I don't think I said anything about 5 years. How about 2 years while your young QB develops?

So you want to develop a qb with a spoiled B word who only cares about himself?

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

He's def an assclown.... as are a lot of NFL players. 

 

Would you like a collection of non ass clowns who are average at football or a mix bunch with some ass clowns who will help the team get to a Super Bowl? 

He is a very special ass clown though.   One you don’t want to build a team around 

[thebandit27]

5 minutes ago, mattynh said:

So you want to develop a qb with a spoiled B word who only cares about himself?

He is a very special ass clown though.   One you don’t want to build a team around 

 

He got along with Shady--our resident drama king--just fine

[#34fan]

Niners.

[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Ah, so you expected that a personal attack would be met congenially? Well, that's stupid.

 

My point was clear, and as I said multiple times, I see no reason to conclude that Brown won't remain one of the 3 best WRs in football for at least another 2 seasons.

 

As for my posts, if you don't like them,

don't read them. Ignore function to the rescue there, cupcake. 

 

I also never claim to be smarter the NFL talent evaluators. But I also am willing to put my evaluations out there for others to pick apart, so when I get it right I'm not afraid to say so. And when I get it wrong I claim that too.

 

If that hurts your feelings then toughen up, sugar pie.

you are getting rumpy in your Old Age my friend : )

 for me , i would like to see Allen getting guys to grow with. Not players who are looking for rings and paydays. I consider Brown one of those. and as he should be.

Bills are a young Team and will be getting younger on Offense and Defense this off season.
FA will fill holes and stabilize depth i hope.
Draft is for the future state. and I am developing faith in the Scouting department ar OBD after all !
Foster is a fine example. of what I would like to see reps on the Bills. and same with those udfa rookie corner backs

 Would like Bills to find a couple more Receivers and at least two TEs.
Brown would NOT be happy in Buffalo. so it is a moot point for me.
 Bills should build roster and Coaching one more year. save some spendable cash till the ship is steadied.
          Then add a couple cherries to that Sunday(e)

 

1 hour ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

One of the most important philosophical questions of the age. 

Team building is an art form.

ass clowns are not welcome. we purged those guys , not to take on more of them !

11 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

He got along with Shady--our resident drama king--just fine

shady is a drama queen ?
maybe at some point he was.
Now he just plays football.

and throw his helmet now and then 

: )

[Matt_In_NH]

21 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

He got along with Shady--our resident drama king--just fine

 

Shady is all in for the team though.   Brown is all in for brown.   That is the difference.  

[starrymessenger]

I can't say that I know enuf about who is most to blame in all this but I would hesitate before making a play for AB despite his talent. There would be a risk of bad chemistry between the team's budding (but still developing) star at QB and the team's already established #1 receiver. I'd rather have Allen grow with talented young guys like him, even if they too have a lot to learn. Now if discord were not a concern or was a low risk and the comp to Pitt  made sense, sure who wouldn't want Brown's talent. 

[thebandit27]

1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

you are getting rumpy in your Old Age my friend : )

 for me , i would like to see Allen getting guys to grow with. Not players who are looking for rings and paydays. I consider Brown one of those. and as he should be.

Bills are a young Team and will be getting younger on Offense and Defense this off season.
FA will fill holes and stabilize depth i hope.
Draft is for the future state. and I am developing faith in the Scouting department ar OBD after all !
Foster is a fine example. of what I would like to see reps on the Bills. and same with those udfa rookie corner backs

 Would like Bills to find a couple more Receivers and at least two TEs.
Brown would NOT be happy in Buffalo. so it is a moot point for me.
 Bills should build roster and Coaching one more year. save some spendable cash till the ship is steadied.
          Then add a couple cherries to that Sunday(e)

 

Team building is an art form.

ass clowns are not welcome. we purged those guys , not to take on more of them !

shady is a drama queen ?
maybe at some point he was.
Now he just plays football.

and throw his helmet now and then 

: )

 

My 2 month old had me up all night, so my patience level for numbskullery is at a relative low

[ExWNYer]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

My 2 month old had me up all night, so my patience level for numbskullery is at a relative low

 

Shoulda kept it in your pants. ?  (j/k)

 

Congrats. ?

[3rdand12]

3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

My 2 month old had me up all night, so my patience level for numbskullery is at a relative low

Imagine how your Wife feels  !!

lol
and i sympathize. Over time  we had 4 two month olds !!!!

[thebandit27]

2 minutes ago, ExWNYer said:

 

Shoulda kept it in your pants. ?  (j/k)

 

Congrats. ?

 

Thanks!

 

She's actually been a fantastic baby this far--SOOOOO much easier than either of my twins were. Both were brutal babies--screamed all night every night for 4 months straight. She's just reeling from her first round of immunizations is all

[loyal2dagame]

1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

i would like to see Allen getting guys to grow with. Not players who are looking for rings and paydays. I consider Brown one of those. and as he should be.

So we don't want to get players that want to win championships and put up numbers to earn big contracts?  

 

 

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said:

Imagine how your Wife feels  !!

lol
and i sympathize. Over time  we had 4 two month olds !!!!

 

Meh, we just take it out on the 5-year olds!

[3rdand12]

1 minute ago, loyal2dagame said:

So we don't want to get players that want to win championships and put up numbers to earn big contracts?  

 

 

that is exactly what i said.
not.
let me fix it for us

 there you go.

[ExWNYer]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Meh, we just take it out on the 5-year olds!

 

?

 

My boys are now 16 and 18. Hard to believe. I don't miss those diaper days but I do miss the innocence of youth as they grew into fine, young men. Enjoy every deliciously, aggravating, sleep-deprived minute. They go all too fast.

[3rdand12]

2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Meh, we just take it out on the 5-year olds!

seems you have it dialed in with the Mrs Bandito  !!
Well done !  : )