Luka Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 So what he's saying is either is available in the offseason? I'd take Fournette for a 4th and Vlad Ducasse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 There always more to the story than meets the eye... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: More likely they'll be the Bills of the Rex Ryan era. Accumulating bad contracts in the mistaken belief that they are almost there, not realizing that their one year of success was more of a fluke than a harbinger of better things to come. (By the way, the Redskins have been competitive most every year - including this year until the QB Apocalypse - and have made the playoffs more often than, umm, some other teams. I'm always puzzled as to why people pull out the Redskins card as shorthand for poor personnel decisions ... sure, they seem to try to make things as chaotic as possible, but somehow they still hang around) I think the Redskins are a perfect example. They're an awful franchise. They've been terribly mediocre under Snyder's entire tenure, who has many times proven to be a loud, blundering, idiot, and ***** rolls downhill. They suck, dude. Seriously their best record since 1999 is 10-6! That's much more a history of disappointing mediocrity than "being competitive". $71M guaranteed for Alex Smith???!!! They are the worst franchise in the league, aside from maybe the Jags. Edited December 31, 2018 by Nelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 They must have done something else besides sit there and look disinterested all game. I mean, that’s bad, but i don’t think it would warrant a public condemnation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Couglin's statement should be read in the style of Clint Eastwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Nelius said: I think the Redskins are a perfect example. They're an awful franchise. They've been terribly mediocre under Snyder's entire tenure, who has many times proven to be a loud, blundering, idiot, and ***** rolls downhill. They suck, dude. Seriously their best record since 1999 is 10-6! That's much more a history of disappointing mediocrity than "being competitive". $71M guaranteed for Alex Smith???!!! They are the worst franchise in the league, aside from maybe the Jags. They do suck. Up until very recently - like, a few weeks ago - they didn't suck as bad as our hometown boys did. Thankfully these teams (Bills/Skins) are now headed in opposite directions. It's just that using the Redskins as shorthand for "dysfunctional perennial losers" is a pet peeve of mine, because, well, they somehow always managed to patch it together and remain ... mediocre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nelius Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Just now, The Frankish Reich said: They do suck. Up until very recently - like, a few weeks ago - they didn't suck as bad as our hometown boys did. Thankfully these teams (Bills/Skins) are now headed in opposite directions. It's just that using the Redskins as shorthand for "dysfunctional perennial losers" is a pet peeve of mine, because, well, they somehow always managed to patch it together and remain ... mediocre. Fair enough. They may not be as bad as other teams on paper, I just think the perennial mediocrity for them over the years is even worse when you consider how many millions of dollars they've thrown at awful contracts and the fact that Dan Snyder seemingly has never known what he's doing. And now they've got guys like Swearinger (who is a loud mouth but a legit starter) STILL calling out the organization and then leaving, thus creating more holes. They've just been flailing since Snyder bought the team nearly 20 years ago and always seem like they're falling apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Just now, Nelius said: Fair enough. They may not be as bad as other teams on paper, I just think the perennial mediocrity for them over the years is even worse when you consider how many millions of dollars they've thrown at awful contracts and the fact that Dan Snyder seemingly has never known what he's doing. And now they've got guys like Swearinger (who is a loud mouth but a legit starter) STILL calling out the organization and then leaving, thus creating more holes. They've just been flailing since Snyder bought the team nearly 20 years ago and always seem like they're falling apart. Agreed. Snyder's Redskins have always served as an example for me for how bad Bills management has been. It's almost like Snyder was following some recipe for creating a bad football team, yet somehow they landed on their feet multiple times (and went to the playoffs several times) all during the Bills playoff drought. Maybe his luck is finally running out .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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row_33 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 5 hours ago, buffalobillswin said: Tom Coughlin is old and the game has passed him by. Let him be Who needs an attitude that won Super Bowls against incredible odds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Call up Jax. Offer a 6th for Fournette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, FLFan said: Yeah, saw that in the next post. Big mistake, just like both Cleveland and Jets made this past year. Miami should move on too. There is no comparison between the records of Hue Jackson and Todd Bowles as HC and Marrone’s. I think Doug deserves another season. Edited December 31, 2018 by vincec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Call up Jax. Offer a 6th for Fournette Will Shaq Lawson approve? Might be a hostile lockerroom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 24 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Call up Jax. Offer a 6th for Fournette No thanks. Not worth the hassle. All the ability in the world, but a mental midget. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobillswin Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 43 minutes ago, row_33 said: Who needs an attitude that won Super Bowls against incredible odds. Yeah it was the attitude that won those superbowls....Or maybe the pass rush. Definitely one of those two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Just now, Happy Gilmore said: No thanks. Not worth the hassle. All the ability in the world, but a mental midget. And if he comes in and well doesn’t change move on. No Guaranteed $$ and only a 6th in the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Just now, buffalobillswin said: Yeah it was the attitude that won those superbowls....Or maybe the pass rush. Definitely one of those two. With your name there you must be at least 60 or a cockeyed optimist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 5 hours ago, Helpmenow said: Where is Ramsey now. Still flapping his BIG mouth Im sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: people saying this is all about fournette and yeldon sitting on the bench with their arms crossed, not completely engaged. Fournette wasn’t even active. I mean it’s not jumping up and down Matt Barkley style, but the statement seems a bit strong to me. At this point, I think Fournette could disappoint Coughlin as follows: Inhale Exhale Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 5 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said: Tom has won 2 Superbowls. He knows that players need to be disciplined to win. Belicheat is the same way. The game hasn't passed Coughlin that team has a bad culture and he's going to change that. By instituting a No Arms Crossing and No Sitting rule for an inactive player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: If Coughlin thinks that picture means Founette and Yeldon are disrespectful and selfish, I wonder what Coughlin thought about Jalen Ramsey's little gem the other week when Ramsey was asked if he was worried about Doug Marrone's job security... “I ain’t worried about nobody but myself.” Edited December 31, 2018 by Inigo Montoya 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Call up Jax. Offer a 6th for Fournette Keep praying the 1970s come back and grab gold plated running backs, while the game has obviously laughed at this since 1983. Edited December 31, 2018 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: At this point, I think Fournette could disappoint Coughlin as follows: Inhale Exhale Done 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 13 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Here’s an idea Khan - maybe character really does trump talent as it relates to the development of a team. And that starts at the top (HC) all the way down to the mouthy CB on the team. Best of luck Jags!! Then why do we suck every year? Aren’t we a ‘character’ first team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 45 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Then why do we suck every year? Aren’t we a ‘character’ first team? Two years into the McDermott regime, have a QB gamer, solid defense, 10 upcoming picks and $90 mill to spend...give it a chance. I suppose you’d rather be the Bengals with Joe Mixon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: Two years into the McDermott regime, have a QB gamer, solid defense, 10 upcoming picks and $90 mill to spend...give it a chance. I suppose you’d rather be the Bengals with Joe Mixon? You said character trumps talent which is laughable.. that has nothing to do with 90 million cap space and 10 picks. Btw Mixon has been great since coming into the NFL.. Surely better than our aging overpaid running back. Edited December 31, 2018 by CaptnCoke11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 2 hours ago, row_33 said: Keep praying the 1970s come back and grab gold plated running backs, while the game has obviously laughed at this since 1983. OMG I hate 3 yards in a cloud of dust football. But Fournette is an elite talent that because of a rift with current team you could get for maybe a late round pick. It is about surrounding Allen with Talent and Fournette is a talent. And cost controlled at the RB position for 3 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 13 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I guess when you are inactive on the sideline for 3 hours in a meaningless season ending game, it’s not ok to not be a visible cheerleader the entire time. I’m all about culture, and maybe I’d be not surprised by a private conversation with the players after. The public statement was... a bit much. I think it has more to do with the Jaguars belief that Fournette's hamstring was healed 3 weeks ago and he just won't play. He was never a team guy at LSU and it appears that he isn't in Jacksonville. Coughlin is an old school, team first guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Ha ha, I wonder how strongly worded a statement Coughlin would’ve given at the time that we were talking about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloaggie Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 49 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: OMG I hate 3 yards in a cloud of dust football. But Fournette is an elite talent that because of a rift with current team you could get for maybe a late round pick. It is about surrounding Allen with Talent and Fournette is a talent. And cost controlled at the RB position for 3 years He's a "potential" talent who in two years, has yet to average over 4 yards per carry. A little underachieving for a #4 overall. Yeldon has averaged 4 yards per carry behind the same O line. I wouldn't touch Fournette and his baggage. He's headed the way of Trent Richardson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicharito Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I love that there are afc teams with so much disfunction . Makes the bills chances of turning this thing around that much easier. All we need is the patriots to start turning on themselves! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, buffaloaggie said: He's a "potential" talent who in two years, has yet to average over 4 yards per carry. A little underachieving for a #4 overall. Yeldon has averaged 4 yards per carry behind the same O line. I wouldn't touch Fournette and his baggage. He's headed the way of Trent Richardson. He isn’t out wasted 4th overall. For us he would be a 6th round pick with no guaranteed money in the trade I am advocating for. You know who else was a disappointing 1st round pick. Jerry Hughes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 15 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said: Tom has won 2 Superbowls. He knows that players need to be disciplined to win. Belicheat is the same way. The game hasn't passed Coughlin that team has a bad culture and he's going to change that. BB doesn’t publicly call out players. He does believe in discipline but 99% of the time it’s behind the curtain for no one to see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 2 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Then why do we suck every year? Aren’t we a ‘character’ first team? The Bills have always been high character. This time they actually have a plan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: He isn’t out wasted 4th overall. For us he would be a 6th round pick with no guaranteed money in the trade I am advocating for. You know who else was a disappointing 1st round pick. Jerry Hughes. His fitness issues ( being out of shape) concern me for a young guy.. Anyway I doubt a sixth gets it done... maybe a 4th.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockpile233 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) I imagine this statement was more of a culmination of frustrations with Fournette specifically. The most fire he showed all year was trying to box Shaq with helmets on. It’s clearly a poor culture in that organization, I’m not surprised TC wants to address it. You can call him old all you want, but poisen attitudes in business need to be shown the door. Edited December 31, 2018 by Rockpile233 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 22 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: His fitness issues ( being out of shape) concern me for a young guy.. Anyway I doubt a sixth gets it done... maybe a 4th.. I don’t do it for a 4th. Maybe a conditional 6th that can go to a 4th. But with his issues the 4th is more risk than I want to take on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKellyTryouts Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Marrone/Caldwell get fired one year too late (next year). That Super Bowl window of theirs faded fast as ****. Edited December 31, 2018 by JimKellyTryouts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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