HomeskillitMoorman Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I've seen people clamor for him this upcoming offseason...possibly an overreaction since I admittedly don't watch the Chargers much...but he reminded me too much of KB. I know he had a highlight reel catch, but also had some bad drops, doesn't really fight for the ball, fumbled it...we need a way better player than this guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 He's an improvement no doubt. 10x the player than KB was. But I agree I'm not going to bank on him as no 1. He's just good depth teams like the.. CHARGERS.. have in their arsenal. While he may make us better we're in trouble if he's our best. Which is why he's not the best where he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: He's an improvement no doubt. 10x the player than KB was. But I agree I'm not going to bank on him as no 1. He's just good depth teams like the.. CHARGERS.. have in their arsenal. While he may make us better we're in trouble if he's our best. Which is why he's not the best where he is. I get that part. That's kind of what I mean, I don't want us to break the bank on him. If someone overpays for that guy, I don't want it to be us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: I get that part. That's kind of what I mean, I don't want us to break the bank on him. If someone overpays for that guy, I don't want it to be us. Oh I'm not worried about overpaying. I just want a better guy next to him too. I'm worried about criminally being below salary cap because we have so much and could be paying among the least in the league. I'M all for the Rams style of 1 year prove it deals with guys that have everything to play for. Hell if we can't fill up our cap I'll sign Bell for a 1-2 year 20-30 mil per year deal just to maximize our cap without messing up future re-signs just to pay the most we can pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 He looked slow to me. I wasn't impressed. In all fairness, the guy I like, Conley, had two catches for 19 yards. I do think Conley would be better with more targets and plays designed for him, so I still prefer him. But neither were impressive tonight. Mitch Morse was and that is the guy to get at center in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just show me your alternative 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Yea I am not a fan either. I hadn't realised until speaking to our Jets correspondent on here the other day that Robby Anderson is a RFA. He is now head and shoulders my #1 choice at receiver. If the Jets try and whack the low tender on him I'd make my move. Ironically my 2nd choice remains Onunwa but his constant injuries do worry me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) He's a Williams. So he has that going for him. Edited December 14, 2018 by Freddie's Dead 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Kyle's the only Williams on the team 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 5 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: Oh I'm not worried about overpaying. I just want a better guy next to him too. I'm worried about criminally being below salary cap because we have so much and could be paying among the least in the league. I'M all for the Rams style of 1 year prove it deals with guys that have everything to play for. Hell if we can't fill up our cap I'll sign Bell for a 1-2 year 20-30 mil per year deal just to maximize our cap without messing up future re-signs just to pay the most we can pay. Why spend so much? I like Bell but not for 20. TJ Yeldon and Tevin Coleman at 4.45M AAV for 9M. Go OL and get Jadeveon Clowney if you can. If Bills stay put and truly do draft BPA a guy like Ed Oliver could be there. Then all a sudden the Bills could have Clowney, Lotulelei, Oliver, Hughes on that DL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 He speaks very highly of you ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Ya I’m spending money on oline, free agency is not the best route to get a stud receiver. Draft all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: Why spend so much? I like Bell but not for 20. TJ Yeldon and Tevin Coleman at 4.45M AAV for 9M. Go OL and get Jadeveon Clowney if you can. If Bills stay put and truly do draft BPA a guy like Ed Oliver could be there. Then all a sudden the Bills could have Clowney, Lotulelei, Oliver, Hughes on that DL. How is Clowney going to be available? Texans are young and also on a rookie QB contract why would they let Clowney go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just now, Rc2catch said: How is Clowney going to be available? Texans are young and also on a rookie QB contract why would they let Clowney go? We'll see, he'd probably get more on the open market. He has to know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 7 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: He's an improvement no doubt. 10x the player than KB was. But I agree I'm not going to bank on him as no 1. He's just good depth teams like the.. CHARGERS.. have in their arsenal. While he may make us better we're in trouble if he's our best. Which is why he's not the best where he is. He was really good a couple years ago when Keenan Allen was out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 5 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Just show me your alternative They hold an NFL draft in the spring. According to my sources the Bills will have multiple chances to draft WRs. That’s the alternative. Giving out a significant contract to a scrub player just for the sake of saying “HEY we tried” is a horrible idea. The draft has some depth at WR, FA not so much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Travis Benjamin is the WR who caught my eye last night 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 7 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: I get that part. That's kind of what I mean, I don't want us to break the bank on him. If someone overpays for that guy, I don't want it to be us. Then why does your thread title say "I want no part of Tyrell Williams?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I don't think anyone who is "clamoring" for him views him as a guy who is going to come in and be the #1. But I do think if you combine him with Foster / Zay / McKenzie / McCloud we could have an interesting group, albeit one that lacks a true #1. It did seem the weather took a lot of the vertical element out of the Chargers pass game last night, which is typically one of Williams' strongest aspects. But he's certainly not a KB type player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 hour ago, GimmeSomeProcess said: Ya I’m spending money on oline, free agency is not the best route to get a stud receiver. Draft all day. Or trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 8 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: I've seen people clamor for him this upcoming offseason...possibly an overreaction since I admittedly don't watch the Chargers much...but he reminded me too much of KB. I know he had a highlight reel catch, but also had some bad drops, doesn't really fight for the ball, fumbled it...we need a way better player than this guy. Who is your solution then? He is going to be the best FA WR this year unless a big name is released. I personally like Donte Moncrief as our #1 WR next season and draft a rookie in the first or 2nd round depending on where we pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I was thinking the same thing last night. Looks to have poor hands. On another note, Mike Williams has arrived. I guess he's no longer a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: Who is your solution then? He is going to be the best FA WR this year unless a big name is released. I personally like Donte Moncrief as our #1 WR next season and draft a rookie in the first or 2nd round depending on where we pick. Golden Tate? I know he is older but he is better than Williams. I think Robby Anderson is better too though he is an RFA not an UFA and I also prefer Onunwa as a player..... but he is hurt a lot and Williams in fairness does tend to be available. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yea I am not a fan either. I hadn't realised until speaking to our Jets correspondent on here the other day that Robby Anderson is a RFA. He is now head and shoulders my #1 choice at receiver. If the Jets try and whack the low tender on him I'd make my move. Ironically my 2nd choice remains Onunwa but his constant injuries do worry me. Dont the jets have more cap space then us? I don't think Anderson leaves unless he forces his way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Golden Tate? I know he is older but he is better than Williams. I think Robby Anderson is better too though he is an RFA not an UFA and I also prefer Onunwa as a player..... but he is hurt a lot and Williams in fairness does tend to be available. Anderson is the best of the bunch when his head is screwed on straight. Tate’s best football is behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Golden Tate? I know he is older but he is better than Williams. I think Robby Anderson is better too though he is an RFA not an UFA and I also prefer Onunwa as a player..... but he is hurt a lot and Williams in fairness does tend to be available. Golden Tate 63 receptions, 706 yards, 4 TD... Tyrell Williams 38 receptions, 618 yards, 5 TD, Williams has almost the same amount of yards and 1 more TD but is also 5 years younger and 4" taller. I don't hate GoldenTate but if both players will be commanding top dollar which i think they will be then I'm going with the younger guy who is 6'4". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Dont the jets have more cap space then us? I don't think Anderson leaves unless he forces his way out. I suspect you are correct. As I say he is an RFA so it depends what they choose to do. If they try and cheap out on the original round tender I would absolutely go in for him. 7 minutes ago, CommonCents said: Anderson is the best of the bunch when his head is screwed on straight. Tate’s best football is behind him. I agree but see the point I have made elsewhere about the benefit of a vet - even one with his best football behind him - in helping in the room and taking the pressure off a highly drafted rookie. Tate is someone I see benefit in our young receivers (including potentially a rookie) learning from. What will they learn from Tyrell Williams? He has been in the league 4 years and his route running is still suspect. 4 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: Golden Tate 63 receptions, 706 yards, 4 TD... Tyrell Williams 38 receptions, 618 yards, 5 TD, Williams has almost the same amount of yards and 1 more TD but is also 5 years younger and 4" taller. I don't hate GoldenTate but if both players will be commanding top dollar which i think they will be then I'm going with the younger guy who is 6'4". And struggles running routes but puts up numbers as a #3 with Philip Rivers throwing to him. Whole different ball game bringing him in here and trying to make him the focal point of your attack. His sloppy route running will not get him open when he is the guy being doubled rather than the two beasts ahead of him on the depth chart in LA. EDIT: I don't hate Williams and I wouldn't hate us signing him, he is clearly better than the guys we have here. But I think there will be better options that represent better value and better fits. If you care about him being younger it is because you want to throw a 4 year deal at him paying decent money and make him a key long term piece of your offense. I don't think he is good enough to be that. Edited December 14, 2018 by GunnerBill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 We need a #1 WR.. Tyrell Williams is far from that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: We need a #1 WR.. Tyrell Williams is far from that I agree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 26 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: Golden Tate 63 receptions, 706 yards, 4 TD... Tyrell Williams 38 receptions, 618 yards, 5 TD, Williams has almost the same amount of yards and 1 more TD but is also 5 years younger and 4" taller. I don't hate GoldenTate but if both players will be commanding top dollar which i think they will be then I'm going with the younger guy who is 6'4". interesting stats...as well as tyrell's avg. of over 16 yds. per catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobillswin Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I think Tyrell Williams is really good. Also remember he plays in a crowded offense where Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Melvin Gordon and Austin Aekler are all ahead of him in touches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I would like Williams here but not as a #1. We should sign him as a #2. Then we take our #1 in the draft. So it would be Rookie, Williams, Jones, Foster and Mckenzie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I agree with having a veteran in the WR room. It hurts that Manny Sanders blew out his Achilles because he would have been a good mentor for the guys we draft. Denver can get out of his contract after this season and with Hamilton in place Sanders time was up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 hour ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: Who is your solution then? He is going to be the best FA WR this year unless a big name is released. I personally like Donte Moncrief as our #1 WR next season and draft a rookie in the first or 2nd round depending on where we pick. Neither Williams or Moncrief are anything close to #1 WRs. The upcoming class of free agent receivers is a bunch of #3 guys who have either never lived up to their potential or whose best football is behind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: I've seen people clamor for him this upcoming offseason...possibly an overreaction since I admittedly don't watch the Chargers much...but he reminded me too much of KB. I know he had a highlight reel catch, but also had some bad drops, doesn't really fight for the ball, fumbled it...we need a way better player than this guy. He fought for it really well after he fumbled it and recovered it with 3 defenders close to the ball. I like Williams but don't want to overpay, nor do I think he is a #1 receiver, Edited December 14, 2018 by Uncle Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Whatever they do for the WR group, I'm not expecting a "true #1" to suddenly appear on the roster for next season. Rather, I think they will have "pass catchers by committee" much like New England has always done. Aside from Moss, they've never really had a real number one wideout. They've always used a variety of receivers, tight ends and running backs. Given that Daboll sharpened his skills in NE for many years, I expect the same type of setup in Buffalo. He's going to want a group of guys each with different skill sets so they can create match-up problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Pete said: Travis Benjamin is the WR who caught my eye last night Really? Mike Williams is the one who caught my eye last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I watch a lot of Chargers football, and like I said before, Tyrell Williams is a better version of Kelvin Benjamin. He has good hands and gives 100% effort. But he is not a good route runner and while his straight line speed his fast, he is not crisp and quick in making certain cuts. Phillip Rivers has a lot to do with his success. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Pete said: Travis Benjamin is the WR who caught my eye last night Travis Benjamin is fool's gold. He's nothing more than a WR4, and those can be found anywhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Tyrel Williams has decent stats but that is because he plays with Rivers. If he was in Buffalo the last 4 years he would have had 500 yards max for any one season and people would call him trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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