Our Coaching Staff LOST this game vs. Miami

[PUNT750]

How can the Bills out gain a team 415-160 in total yards, 24-15 in 1st downs and 66-50 in total plays and still lose on the road!  We had 13 penalties for 120 yards.  We had 3 turn-overs and Miami had just 1.  One of our turn-overs was Allen's desperation toss into the end zone at the end of the first half. 

 

I blame this coaching staff.  They've collected some pretty good back-up players that are filling in as starters in the NFL but nobody seems to be coaching them up or making them better.  Some on the o-line are worse.  PENALTIES!!!!  I keep hearing every week in the press conferences that we're working to correct techniques.  We now lead the NFL with 100 total penalties.  Stupid penalties.  Blocking in the back, obvious holding in the o-line, false starts etc.  What the hell goes on in practice?  Are these guys too rich or too stupid to be coached???

 

Our Special Teams coach should have been fired years ago.  Too many men on the field, holding, blocking in the back and general confusion.

 

Our head coach keeps changing punters and now our really great place-kicker is suffering with a new holder every few weeks.  By missing a FG and Extra Point today the game was lost.  Why couldn't the team find someone else on the roster to learn the holding duties?  Maybe Barkley,  Hyde or Logan Thomas?

 

And, finally, why do they keep giving the ball to Ivory.  He's done.  The pitch outs to him were laughable.  Six carries for 4 total yards.  When Shady made a few runs towards the end of the game he looked like a tired, old horse.

 

Is the coach and the staff too into his players?  A bit afraid to hurt ego's?  They should have never lost this game - never!

[Foxx]

oye.

[row_33]

The scoreboard dictates the strategy in real time

 

you can have 1000 yards to my -10 as long  as I have one more point on the scoreboard

 

 

[PlayoffsPlease]

3 minutes ago, PUNT750 said:

How can the Bills out gain a team 415-160 in total yards, 24-15 in 1st downs and 66-50 in total plays and still lose on the road!  We had 13 penalties for 120 yards.  We had 3 turn-overs and Miami had just 1.  One of our turn-overs was Allen's desperation toss into the end zone at the end of the first half. 

 

I blame this coaching staff.  They've collected some pretty good back-up players that are filling in as starters in the NFL but nobody seems to be coaching them up or making them better.  Some on the o-line are worse.  PENALTIES!!!!  I keep hearing every week in the press conferences that we're working to correct techniques.  We now lead the NFL with 100 total penalties.  Stupid penalties.  Blocking in the back, obvious holding in the o-line, false starts etc.  What the hell goes on in practice?  Are these guys too rich or too stupid to be coached???

 

Our Special Teams coach should have been fired years ago.  Too many men on the field, holding, blocking in the back and general confusion.

 

Our head coach keeps changing punters and now our really great place-kicker is suffering with a new holder every few weeks.  By missing a FG and Extra Point today the game was lost.  Why couldn't the team find someone else on the roster to learn the holding duties?  Maybe Barkley,  Hyde or Logan Thomas?

 

And, finally, why do they keep giving the ball to Ivory.  He's done.  The pitch outs to him were laughable.  Six carries for 4 total yards.  When Shady made a few runs towards the end of the game he looked like a tired, old horse.

 

Is the coach and the staff too into his players?  A bit afraid to hurt ego's?  They should have never lost this game - never!

McDermott wants to be liked . 

[row_33]

I guess you can score in football in more ways than racking up yards on O?

 

 

[jlgarsh]

The biggest mistake was running on 1st and 2nd down right before  halftime.  Could have used extra time to get closer

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Time to punt 

[Bill_with_it]

This is a bad thread not the worse of the week, but maybe the worst of the day. 

[Adam]

Many of the penalties are due to a lack of talent on the offensive line. And that happened primarily because we lost two starting OLs after free agency/draft and had no viable options to replace them with at that point. Schmidt wasn't getting much hang time on his punts and that was a disaster waiting to happen.

 

Add 2-3 starting OLs and I think our offense really takes shape. I'd like to see Clay and Hughes not on next year's roster, it would be nice to get something for them.

 

I think they are bringing Allen along nicely- he has a Ben Rothlisburger type trait in that he has to be wrapped up to be brought down- and he's a bit elusive with good pocket awareness. I wasn't expecting that. Our offense showed a good sense of urgency and pace in the two-minute drill and I was pleased with that. McCoy has something left, but I don't care if they move on from him as he is on the downside. If Benjamin would come back at cost, I'd consider it- he's had bad hands this year, but has drawn some holdiing and pass interference penalties, so the potential is there. I like Zay Jones and Robert Foster

[Dr.Sack]

I watched this game and thought the same thing. It’s wasn’t a well coached game. For starters challenging Tannehill safety wasn’t a good idea and worse left us with one less timeout. Then not kicking the FG at the end of the half. We tend to blame all ST mistakes on the ST coach so I’ll spare Crossman for a minute. 

Edited December 3, 2018 by Dr.Sack

[The Jokeman]

3 minutes ago, Adam said:

Many of the penalties are due to a lack of talent on the offensive line. And that happened primarily because we lost two starting OLs after free agency/draft and had no viable options to replace them with at that point. Schmidt wasn't getting much hang time on his punts and that was a disaster waiting to happen.

 

Add 2-3 starting OLs and I think our offense really takes shape. I'd like to see Clay and Hughes not on next year's roster, it would be nice to get something for them.

 

I think they are bringing Allen along nicely- he has a Ben Rothlisburger type trait in that he has to be wrapped up to be brought down- and he's a bit elusive with good pocket awareness. I wasn't expecting that. Our offense showed a good sense of urgency and pace in the two-minute drill and I was pleased with that. McCoy has something left, but I don't care if they move on from him as he is on the downside. If Benjamin would come back at cost, I'd consider it- he's had bad hands this year, but has drawn some holdiing and pass interference penalties, so the potential is there. I like Zay Jones and Robert Foster

Why the hate on Hughes? He's a monster out there.

[Nextmanup]

I noticed McDermott referenced "our young football team" in his very first statement of the PC after the game.

 

He loves to do that. 

 

[We're the 5th oldest team in the league].

[Zebrastripes]

17 minutes ago, PUNT750 said:

How can the Bills out gain a team 415-160 in total yards, 24-15 in 1st downs and 66-50 in total plays and still lose on the road!  We had 13 penalties for 120 yards.  We had 3 turn-overs and Miami had just 1.  One of our turn-overs was Allen's desperation toss into the end zone at the end of the first half. 

 

I blame this coaching staff.  They've collected some pretty good back-up players that are filling in as starters in the NFL but nobody seems to be coaching them up or making them better.  Some on the o-line are worse.  PENALTIES!!!!  I keep hearing every week in the press conferences that we're working to correct techniques.  We now lead the NFL with 100 total penalties.  Stupid penalties.  Blocking in the back, obvious holding in the o-line, false starts etc.  What the hell goes on in practice?  Are these guys too rich or too stupid to be coached???

 

Our Special Teams coach should have been fired years ago.  Too many men on the field, holding, blocking in the back and general confusion.

 

Our head coach keeps changing punters and now our really great place-kicker is suffering with a new holder every few weeks.  By missing a FG and Extra Point today the game was lost.  Why couldn't the team find someone else on the roster to learn the holding duties?  Maybe Barkley,  Hyde or Logan Thomas?

 

And, finally, why do they keep giving the ball to Ivory.  He's done.  The pitch outs to him were laughable.  Six carries for 4 total yards.  When Shady made a few runs towards the end of the game he looked like a tired, old horse.

 

Is the coach and the staff too into his players?  A bit afraid to hurt ego's?  They should have never lost this game - never!

You need to relax bro.  You're way to high after wins and way to low after losses.  Just relax a bit and enjoy the ride.  This team is far from the finished product they want on the field.  When that team is assembled you can then be going after the coach and gm.

[Chicharito]

In all seriousness I’m putting this on who ever is making the decisions involving this revolving door of punters. You need consistency in taking snaps and placing the ball for a kicker. You can’t bring a guy in on Thursday and throw him in. A kicker has to have a ball placed a certain way. If they knew they were going to make a switch why not have Barkley take snaps and hold the ball.

[Adam]

4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Why the hate on Hughes? He's a monster out there.

He claimed he didn't even remember going after the ref after the game. Someone like that is a problem. Whether he remembers or not, he's going to probably be suspended and I expect this to be a recurring theme (he's always been a hothead). Best to cut ties early with this kind of thing. And yes, on the field he is a very good player, so no hate, just being pragmatic

[John from Riverside]

The penalties were bad that said the officiating was very lopsided in this game

 

how many headshots did our rookie qb take in this game IN the oocket

[Jpsredemption]

Botched end of half was a major concern and holding a team to sub 200yds and not going for it on 4th and 1 at the 50 equates to playing scared.

[Zebrastripes]

1 minute ago, Adam said:

He claimed he didn't even remember going after the ref after the game. Someone like that is a problem. Whether he remembers or not, he's going to probably be suspended and I expect this to be a recurring theme (he's always been a hothead). Best to cut ties early with this kind of thing. And yes, on the field he is a very good player, so no hate, just being pragmatic

I personally have no problem with Hughes calling a grown man out for saying what he said to him.  Let's be honest, if the ref and Hughes were on the street would he have said what he did to Hughes?  The ref needs to be held accountable for his actions.  Hughes has done a great job of reducing his dumb penalties on the field but when a ref says what he says I have no problem with Hughes calling him out.

[RaoulDuke79]

30 minutes ago, PUNT750 said:

How can the Bills out gain a team 415-160 in total yards, 24-15 in 1st downs and 66-50 in total plays and still lose on the road!  We had 13 penalties for 120 yards.  We had 3 turn-overs and Miami had just 1.  One of our turn-overs was Allen's desperation toss into the end zone at the end of the first half. 

 

I blame this coaching staff.  They've collected some pretty good back-up players that are filling in as starters in the NFL but nobody seems to be coaching them up or making them better.  Some on the o-line are worse.  PENALTIES!!!!  I keep hearing every week in the press conferences that we're working to correct techniques.  We now lead the NFL with 100 total penalties.  Stupid penalties.  Blocking in the back, obvious holding in the o-line, false starts etc.  What the hell goes on in practice?  Are these guys too rich or too stupid to be coached???

 

Our Special Teams coach should have been fired years ago.  Too many men on the field, holding, blocking in the back and general confusion.

 

Our head coach keeps changing punters and now our really great place-kicker is suffering with a new holder every few weeks.  By missing a FG and Extra Point today the game was lost.  Why couldn't the team find someone else on the roster to learn the holding duties?  Maybe Barkley,  Hyde or Logan Thomas?

 

And, finally, why do they keep giving the ball to Ivory.  He's done.  The pitch outs to him were laughable.  Six carries for 4 total yards.  When Shady made a few runs towards the end of the game he looked like a tired, old horse.

 

Is the coach and the staff too into his players?  A bit afraid to hurt ego's?  They should have never lost this game - never!

You just answered your own question. The coaching staff needs to shoulder some of the blame, especially the play calling at the end of the first half and the safety challenge. The officiating also played a big part in the outcome.

Edited December 3, 2018 by RaoulDuke79

[Formerly Allan in MD]

Would anyone disagree that we have a special teams problem?

[Adam]

13 minutes ago, Zebrastripes said:

I personally have no problem with Hughes calling a grown man out for saying what he said to him.  Let's be honest, if the ref and Hughes were on the street would he have said what he did to Hughes?  The ref needs to be held accountable for his actions.  Hughes has done a great job of reducing his dumb penalties on the field but when a ref says what he says I have no problem with Hughes calling him out.

If there is evidence of the ref saying anything, he should be held accountable. But that isn't the method for holding him accountable. It's just not how things work in the world, sorry....

[Zebrastripes]

2 minutes ago, Adam said:

If there is evidence of the ref saying anything, he should be held accountable. But that isn't the method for holding him accountable. It's just not how things work in the world, sorry....

There is a video.

[PrimeTime101]

43 minutes ago, PUNT750 said:

How can the Bills out gain a team 415-160 in total yards, 24-15 in 1st downs and 66-50 in total plays and still lose on the road!  We had 13 penalties for 120 yards.  We had 3 turn-overs and Miami had just 1.  One of our turn-overs was Allen's desperation toss into the end zone at the end of the first half. 

 

I blame this coaching staff.  They've collected some pretty good back-up players that are filling in as starters in the NFL but nobody seems to be coaching them up or making them better.  Some on the o-line are worse.  PENALTIES!!!!  I keep hearing every week in the press conferences that we're working to correct techniques.  We now lead the NFL with 100 total penalties.  Stupid penalties.  Blocking in the back, obvious holding in the o-line, false starts etc.  What the hell goes on in practice?  Are these guys too rich or too stupid to be coached???

 

Our Special Teams coach should have been fired years ago.  Too many men on the field, holding, blocking in the back and general confusion.

 

Our head coach keeps changing punters and now our really great place-kicker is suffering with a new holder every few weeks.  By missing a FG and Extra Point today the game was lost.  Why couldn't the team find someone else on the roster to learn the holding duties?  Maybe Barkley,  Hyde or Logan Thomas?

 

And, finally, why do they keep giving the ball to Ivory.  He's done.  The pitch outs to him were laughable.  Six carries for 4 total yards.  When Shady made a few runs towards the end of the game he looked like a tired, old horse.

 

Is the coach and the staff too into his players?  A bit afraid to hurt ego's?  They should have never lost this game - never!

Troll seek life elsewhere

[RaoulDuke79]

39 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

McDermott wants to be liked . 

If I'm being honest here, the whole clapping this is really turning me off. Especially when he claps for penalties that go against the team and other stupid *****.

[Adam]

1 minute ago, Zebrastripes said:

There is a video.

In that case, the process is to file a grievance with the league, not for the player to confront the official in the tunnel

[Zebrastripes]

4 minutes ago, Adam said:

If there is evidence of the ref saying anything, he should be held accountable. But that isn't the method for holding him accountable. It's just not how things work in the world, sorry....

So you want Hughes to just walk away without saying anything?

[BillsFan130]

I really can’t disagree too much with you.

 

Mcd likes to preach discipline And process but it’s hard to take that seriously when they get 10 penalties every week.

 

Also the clock management at the end of the first half was a joke

Edited December 3, 2018 by billsfan11

[Kirby Jackson]

54 minutes ago, PUNT750 said:

How can the Bills out gain a team 415-160 in total yards, 24-15 in 1st downs and 66-50 in total plays and still lose on the road!  We had 13 penalties for 120 yards.  We had 3 turn-overs and Miami had just 1.  One of our turn-overs was Allen's desperation toss into the end zone at the end of the first half. 

 

I blame this coaching staff.  They've collected some pretty good back-up players that are filling in as starters in the NFL but nobody seems to be coaching them up or making them better.  Some on the o-line are worse.  PENALTIES!!!!  I keep hearing every week in the press conferences that we're working to correct techniques.  We now lead the NFL with 100 total penalties.  Stupid penalties.  Blocking in the back, obvious holding in the o-line, false starts etc.  What the hell goes on in practice?  Are these guys too rich or too stupid to be coached???

 

Our Special Teams coach should have been fired years ago.  Too many men on the field, holding, blocking in the back and general confusion.

 

Our head coach keeps changing punters and now our really great place-kicker is suffering with a new holder every few weeks.  By missing a FG and Extra Point today the game was lost.  Why couldn't the team find someone else on the roster to learn the holding duties?  Maybe Barkley,  Hyde or Logan Thomas?

 

And, finally, why do they keep giving the ball to Ivory.  He's done.  The pitch outs to him were laughable.  Six carries for 4 total yards.  When Shady made a few runs towards the end of the game he looked like a tired, old horse.

 

Is the coach and the staff too into his players?  A bit afraid to hurt ego's?  They should have never lost this game - never!

I don’t think that you are wrong at all. The comments about the holder and penalties are spot on. In addition they decided that a Hail Mary was a better play than a 56 yard FG attempt before halftime. Add that to the TERRIBLE challenge and this was one of McDermott’s worst games. This team had chances to win and it just didn’t happen.

Edited December 3, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[ColoradoBills]

47 minutes ago, PUNT750 said:

How can the Bills out gain a team 415-160 in total yards, 24-15 in 1st downs and 66-50 in total plays and still lose on the road!  We had 13 penalties for 120 yards.  We had 3 turn-overs and Miami had just 1.  One of our turn-overs was Allen's desperation toss into the end zone at the end of the first half. 

 

I blame this coaching staff.  They've collected some pretty good back-up players that are filling in as starters in the NFL but nobody seems to be coaching them up or making them better.  Some on the o-line are worse.  PENALTIES!!!!  I keep hearing every week in the press conferences that we're working to correct techniques.  We now lead the NFL with 100 total penalties.  Stupid penalties.  Blocking in the back, obvious holding in the o-line, false starts etc.  What the hell goes on in practice?  Are these guys too rich or too stupid to be coached???

 

Our Special Teams coach should have been fired years ago.  Too many men on the field, holding, blocking in the back and general confusion.

 

Our head coach keeps changing punters and now our really great place-kicker is suffering with a new holder every few weeks.  By missing a FG and Extra Point today the game was lost.  Why couldn't the team find someone else on the roster to learn the holding duties?  Maybe Barkley,  Hyde or Logan Thomas?

 

And, finally, why do they keep giving the ball to Ivory.  He's done.  The pitch outs to him were laughable.  Six carries for 4 total yards.  When Shady made a few runs towards the end of the game he looked like a tired, old horse.

 

Is the coach and the staff too into his players?  A bit afraid to hurt ego's?  They should have never lost this game - never!

 

 

.....and here I was thinking it was the final pass play................thanks for clearing that up punt750.

Sheesh.

[Augie]

31 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

I noticed McDermott referenced "our young football team" in his very first statement of the PC after the game.

 

He loves to do that. 

 

[We're the 5th oldest team in the league].

 

No, not in the players that matter. Our core is a very young group. No denying that. 

[Zebrastripes]

Just now, Adam said:

In that case, the process is to file a grievance with the league, not for the player to confront the official in the tunnel

He called a guy out that's it.  He never touched him or went after him.  He did nothing wrong IMHO.  He obviously isn't a guy that's gonna let someone walk all over him.  I have no problem with him standing up for himself.  If he laid his hands on him, now that's another story but just to yell back that's different.

[fansince88]

48 minutes ago, PUNT750 said:

How can the Bills out gain a team 415-160 in total yards, 24-15 in 1st downs and 66-50 in total plays and still lose on the road!  We had 13 penalties for 120 yards.  We had 3 turn-overs and Miami had just 1.  One of our turn-overs was Allen's desperation toss into the end zone at the end of the first half. 

 

I blame this coaching staff.  They've collected some pretty good back-up players that are filling in as starters in the NFL but nobody seems to be coaching them up or making them better.  Some on the o-line are worse.  PENALTIES!!!!  I keep hearing every week in the press conferences that we're working to correct techniques.  We now lead the NFL with 100 total penalties.  Stupid penalties.  Blocking in the back, obvious holding in the o-line, false starts etc.  What the hell goes on in practice?  Are these guys too rich or too stupid to be coached???

 

Our Special Teams coach should have been fired years ago.  Too many men on the field, holding, blocking in the back and general confusion.

 

Our head coach keeps changing punters and now our really great place-kicker is suffering with a new holder every few weeks.  By missing a FG and Extra Point today the game was lost.  Why couldn't the team find someone else on the roster to learn the holding duties?  Maybe Barkley,  Hyde or Logan Thomas?

 

And, finally, why do they keep giving the ball to Ivory.  He's done.  The pitch outs to him were laughable.  Six carries for 4 total yards.  When Shady made a few runs towards the end of the game he looked like a tired, old horse.

 

Is the coach and the staff too into his players?  A bit afraid to hurt ego's?  They should have never lost this game - never!

You are not wrong where I bolded.

[cba fan]

39 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

I noticed McDermott referenced "our young football team" in his very first statement of the PC after the game.

 

He loves to do that. 

 

[We're the 5th oldest team in the league].

oh man. This has been dissected several times already.

 

Bills nearly lead the league in number of 1st and 2nd year players playing when tallied up by snap counts.

 

The overall roster age is not indicative of Bills amazing amount of young players. Starters like Lorax, Meatball, Haus-Money, Hughes, and also several other depth players weigh down the avg. age.

Edited December 3, 2018 by cba fan

[Nextmanup]

3 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

No, not in the players that matter. Our core is a very young group. No denying that. 

Define "core".  Some of it is young, some of it is old, some of it is middle-aged.

The point is McDermott likes to deflect blame for his penalty ridden squad by suggesting it is an unavoidable byproduct of youth. 

 

That's BS in my opinion.

 

 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Mcd;

 

challenging the play that anyone could see was not a Safety 

 

Not kicking the Fg before the half

 

kicking the fg when we didn’t need it at the end

 

Another undisciplined day of constant penalties 

 

not a good day  

 

 

[cba fan]

1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:

Define "core".  Some of it is young, some of it is old, some of it is middle-aged.

The point is McDermott likes to deflect blame for his penalty ridden squad by suggesting it is an unavoidable byproduct of youth. 

  

That's BS in my opinion.

 

 

it is an unavoidable byproduct of youth. History told me so.

[Roundybout]

38 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

I noticed McDermott referenced "our young football team" in his very first statement of the PC after the game.

 

He loves to do that. 

 

[We're the 5th oldest team in the league].

 

We've discussed this on this forum before. We're "older" by something like 0.14 years, and arguably our best players are our young ones (Kyle, Lorax and Shady notwithstanding). 

[SoCal Deek]

Coach McD was a total mess today. Strategic mistakes all over the place.

[Augie]

18 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Define "core".  Some of it is young, some of it is old, some of it is middle-aged.

The point is McDermott likes to deflect blame for his penalty ridden squad by suggesting it is an unavoidable byproduct of youth. 

 

That's BS in my opinion.

 

 

 

How do you build a team?  You start with the most critical positions of QB, LT, MLB, top CB and a rush end. Out of those positions, only Jerry Hughes has even 2 years experience.  THAT is your young nucleus. I could go on with Teller, Milano, Phillips, T. Johnson and others, but you just carry one with calling BS. 

 

They are building something, and they rely on a lot of young guys. 

 

 

.

Edited December 3, 2018 by Augie

[Estro]

Sean McDermott not taking timeouts at the end of the 1st half when the Dolphins were inside the 10 about to score is a tape that should be studied by all HC's as what NOT to do.  He lost us a possession there.  We ended up getting the ball back with 40 seconds when it should have been 1 minute and 40 seconds if we had a coach who understood situational football.

 

If we end up getting a FG at the end of the half because our coaching was competent than we would've only needed a FG at the end of the game.  Those type of mistakes, the ones that cost your team opportunities to score points are entirely unacceptable.