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4 hours ago, whatdrought said:

 

He shoved a woman. 

 

He pushed a man (a man who was just shoved violently by said woman) that then crashed into a woman knocking her to the ground.

 

He then kicked a woman at maybe half power.

 

its all very despicable, and he should have never left the room. But you can’t say that a 240 pound man that regularly runs over 300 pound dudes couldn’t have done worse if he truly wanted to. 

 

His behavior is wrong and inexcusable, but it’s possibke to hold that truth while also saying that the whole thing has been overstated by the media.

 

3 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

I read what you said.  I'll paraphrase - "Sure, it was wrong what he did, but it was only a half kick, so it wasn't really THAT bad."

 

 

I got a point for calling you an idiot and the post seems to have been deleted. Instead I will display the evidence outright.

 

If you read what I posted and believe that I’m condoning his actions, then my infraction point is well earned. 

 

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19 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

I got a point ... and the post seems to have been deleted. Instead I will display the evidence outright.

If you read what I posted and believe that I’m condoning his actions, then my point is well earned.

 

I got to say whatdrought, I read what you said and, leaving out the side chat about not insulting other posters (whether or not it's deserved, just don't...), I'm puzzled by your intent. 

You do say that Hunt's behavior is wrong and inexcusable, and that "it's all very despicable".

 

But you also appear to be trying to minimize or excuse it: "kicked a woman at maybe half power" " can’t say that a 240 pound man that regularly runs over 300 pound dudes couldn’t have done worse if he truly wanted to". 

 

"Sure it was wrong, but it was only a half kick so It's not that bad" actually seems to me like a relatively accurate paraphrase.


If he did something despicable, does it really matter if he could have done worse?  "Yeah I shot him, but I only used my .22 Ruger.  You can't say I couldn't have done worse with my AR-15 if I truly wanted to".  He kicked her hard enough that she went over and appeared to clutch at the kicked area.   You and I weren't on the receiving end of the kick, and in any case maybe a half-power kick from a trained athlete is worse than a full-out blow from Joe Sofa Spud.   What's the point?

 

I don't get the relativism.  It kind of sounds exculpatory, see what I mean?  If that wasn't the intent, what was the intent?

 

Now, if you're trying to make the point that what he did is wrong and despicable, but does not rise to the same level of seriousness as Ray Rice cold-cocking his fiance and dragging her unconscious body around and some other incidents, I'd agree with you.

 

It's the language minimizing what Hunt did that seems like a contradiction to the language criticizing it, and that puzzles me.

 

 

 

 

49 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Which part? lol

 

That losing Hunt won't hurt Reid's playoff chances.

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11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I got to say whatdrought, I read what you said and, leaving out the side chat about not insulting other posters (whether or not it's deserved, just don't...), I'm puzzled by your intent. 

You do say that Hunt's behavior is wrong and inexcusable, and that "it's all very despicable".

 

But you also appear to be trying to minimize or excuse it: "kicked a woman at maybe half power" " can’t say that a 240 pound man that regularly runs over 300 pound dudes couldn’t have done worse if he truly wanted to". 

 

"Sure it was wrong, but it was only a half kick so It's not that bad" actually seems to me like a relatively accurate paraphrase.


If he did something despicable, does it really matter if he could have done worse?  "Yeah I shot him, but I only used my .22 Ruger.  You can't say I couldn't have done worse with my AR-15 if I truly wanted to".  He kicked her hard enough that she went over and appeared to clutch at the kicked area.   You and I weren't on the receiving end of the kick, and in any case maybe a half-power kick from a trained athlete is worse than a full-out trying 100% blow from Joe Sofa Spud. 

 

I don't get the relativism.  It kind of sounds exculpatory, see what I mean?  If that wasn't the intent, what was the intent?

 

Now, if you're trying to make the point that what he did is wrong and despicable, but does not rise to the same level of seriousness as Ray Rice cold-cocking his fiance and dragging her unconscious body around and some other incidents, I'd agree with you.

 

It's the language minimizing what Hunt did that seems like a contradiction to the language criticizing it, and that puzzles me.

 

 

 

 

 

My point was that by calling it a brutal attack and an example of horrific domestic violence, it’s cheapening real brutality.

 

This looks more like a bar room fight where everyone is in the wrong.

 

the point of mentioning the power of the kick isn’t to justify the kick or to say that the act of kicking is less wrong based on outcome, but rather that if Hunt wanted to be truly brutal he could have kicked her much harder. 

 

My point is one you seem to agree with- this isn’t in the same level as Rice or Mixon who both brutally struck the woman. 

 

My original intent was to point out the disparity of discription being used by the media, and the strength behind his actions and kick does seem to factor into that. 

 

 

Also, sorry for the insult- I’ll do better. 

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19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I got to say whatdrought, I read what you said and, leaving out the side chat about not insulting other posters (whether or not it's deserved, just don't...), I'm puzzled by your intent. 

You do say that Hunt's behavior is wrong and inexcusable, and that "it's all very despicable".

 

But you also appear to be trying to minimize or excuse it: "kicked a woman at maybe half power" " can’t say that a 240 pound man that regularly runs over 300 pound dudes couldn’t have done worse if he truly wanted to". 

 

"Sure it was wrong, but it was only a half kick so It's not that bad" actually seems to me like a relatively accurate paraphrase.


If he did something despicable, does it really matter if he could have done worse?  "Yeah I shot him, but I only used my .22 Ruger.  You can't say I couldn't have done worse with my AR-15 if I truly wanted to".  He kicked her hard enough that she went over and appeared to clutch at the kicked area.   You and I weren't on the receiving end of the kick, and in any case maybe a half-power kick from a trained athlete is worse than a full-out blow from Joe Sofa Spud.   What's the point?

 

I don't get the relativism.  It kind of sounds exculpatory, see what I mean?  If that wasn't the intent, what was the intent?

 

Now, if you're trying to make the point that what he did is wrong and despicable, but does not rise to the same level of seriousness as Ray Rice cold-cocking his fiance and dragging her unconscious body around and some other incidents, I'd agree with you.

 

It's the language minimizing what Hunt did that seems like a contradiction to the language criticizing it, and that puzzles me.

 

 

 

 

 

That losing Hunt won't hurt Reid's playoff chances.

 

His KC playoff winning % can't get much worse...

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15 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

My point was that by calling it a brutal attack and an example of horrific domestic violence, it’s cheapening real brutality.

 

A couple of unfortunate truths to what you're writing.

 

First, as long as ad revenue and income is tied to clicks, this is going to get over-hyped. The fact that it's a famous, rich athlete only makes the need to over hype it worse because (a) people love to watch successful people fall and (b) most sports writers love to over hype the story because they have a hard time accepting that a guy with a football can make millions but a guy with a journalism card in his fedora makes peanuts. How many times, for example, do you hear talking heads in sports reference an athlete as, say,  a $15 million  left tackle or $60 million pitcher, etc. 

 

Second, the #metoo movement insists that you believe all women and punish all men, without the presumption of innocence, and especially when there's video. So in the age of #metoo,  this can't be reported as some alcohol-soaked fight. It's simply horrific at multiple levels in the media because that's the corner they inked themselves into over the past few years.

 

I think what Hunt did was disgusting. Other's think he just nudged the classless chick with his foot. None of that matters. It's going to get over hyped until next Tuesday.

 

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34 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

My point was that by calling it a brutal attack and an example of horrific domestic violence, it’s cheapening real brutality.

 

This looks more like a bar room fight where everyone is in the wrong.

 

the point of mentioning the power of the kick isn’t to justify the kick or to say that the act of kicking is less wrong based on outcome, but rather that if Hunt wanted to be truly brutal he could have kicked her much harder. 

 

My point is one you seem to agree with- this isn’t in the same level as Rice or Mixon who both brutally struck the woman. 

 

My original intent was to point out the disparity of discription being used by the media, and the strength behind his actions and kick does seem to factor into that. 

 

 

Also, sorry for the insult- I’ll do better. 

Yup.  You need to be careful with your language when reporting on a story like this.

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4 hours ago, whatdrought said:

 

How about you check the context of the conversation before inserting your opinion. 

I understand the context of the conversation.  It's not my fault you do not understand the response.

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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I got to say whatdrought, I read what you said and, leaving out the side chat about not insulting other posters (whether or not it's deserved, just don't...), I'm puzzled by your intent. 

You do say that Hunt's behavior is wrong and inexcusable, and that "it's all very despicable".

 

But you also appear to be trying to minimize or excuse it: "kicked a woman at maybe half power" " can’t say that a 240 pound man that regularly runs over 300 pound dudes couldn’t have done worse if he truly wanted to". 

 

"Sure it was wrong, but it was only a half kick so It's not that bad" actually seems to me like a relatively accurate paraphrase.


If he did something despicable, does it really matter if he could have done worse?  "Yeah I shot him, but I only used my .22 Ruger.  You can't say I couldn't have done worse with my AR-15 if I truly wanted to".  He kicked her hard enough that she went over and appeared to clutch at the kicked area.   You and I weren't on the receiving end of the kick, and in any case maybe a half-power kick from a trained athlete is worse than a full-out blow from Joe Sofa Spud.   What's the point?

 

I don't get the relativism.  It kind of sounds exculpatory, see what I mean?  If that wasn't the intent, what was the intent?

 

Now, if you're trying to make the point that what he did is wrong and despicable, but does not rise to the same level of seriousness as Ray Rice cold-cocking his fiance and dragging her unconscious body around and some other incidents, I'd agree with you.

 

It's the language minimizing what Hunt did that seems like a contradiction to the language criticizing it, and that puzzles me.

 

 

 

 

 

That losing Hunt won't hurt Reid's playoff chances.

 

Sorry Hapless ... at risk of taking flack .. I'll side with Whatdrought here ... although wrong .. do you think the Hunt video is on same level as Ray Rice or Mixon video .. I think not personally. .. so yes maybe there are degrees .. so I can't work through your 22 Ruger narrative .. gunshots (which by nature puncture skin) are a different level than punches or kicks.  Hence the terminology of "glancing blow".

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2 hours ago, whatdrought said:

 

My point was that by calling it a brutal attack and an example of horrific domestic violence, it’s cheapening real brutality.

 

This looks more like a bar room fight where everyone is in the wrong.

 

the point of mentioning the power of the kick isn’t to justify the kick or to say that the act of kicking is less wrong based on outcome, but rather that if Hunt wanted to be truly brutal he could have kicked her much harder. 

 

My point is one you seem to agree with- this isn’t in the same level as Rice or Mixon who both brutally struck the woman. 

 

My original intent was to point out the disparity of discription being used by the media, and the strength behind his actions and kick does seem to factor into that. 

 

 

Also, sorry for the insult- I’ll do better. 

 

Ah, OK this makes more sense now.  

 

Yes, if your point was “not a brutal attack, not horrific domestic violence” I agree, and in that context saying probably not the hardest kick or blow he could deliver makes sense as not exculpating him, just making the point the whole thing doesn’t fit most people’s idea of horrific brutality.

 

Doesn’t make it right, still makes it wrong, just doesn’t make it brutality.

 

I didn’t get this at all from your original post.  Thanks for clarifying.

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

His KC playoff winning % can't get much worse...

 

Ah.

 

some would argue Mahomes >>> Smith and that Smith had something to do with that 

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1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Ah, OK this makes more sense now.  

 

Yes, if your point was “not a brutal attack, not horrific domestic violence” I agree, and in that context saying probably not the hardest kick or blow he could deliver makes sense as not exculpating him, just making the point the whole thing doesn’t fit most people’s idea of horrific brutality.

 

Doesn’t make it right, still makes it wrong, just doesn’t make it brutality.

 

I didn’t get this at all from your original post.  Thanks for clarifying.

 

My original post was in response to another post (the fatal flaw of message board life) 

 

What he did was horrible and deserves no excuse. It’s just not brutal domestic abuse. It’s a bar fight. 

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Just saw all the news on this, the situation obviously bad but media coverage and click bate headlines are ridiculous in this case. Trying to turn this into the next Ray Rice and it is clearly a far lesser incident than that was. 

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12 minutes ago, dayman said:

Just saw all the news on this, the situation obviously bad but media coverage and click bate headlines are ridiculous in this case. Trying to turn this into the next Ray Rice and it is clearly a far lesser incident than that was. 

 

So, looks like we have to accept a certain level of violence and behavior?  When I saw it for the first time my reaction was, "Yup, Chiefs did the right thing. It must have been heartbreaking but had to be done."  

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7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Roger will try to save face by parking him on the list until the end of the season. Has to at least show he’s doing something. I think the suspension will be handed down in the offseason and it will be 6 games. And that he will be signed by another team in the offseason. 

 

Sounds like a reasonable scenario, assuming Hunt doesn’t end up in jail.  I wish Goodell would suspend him for the entire 2019 season.  The thug can kiss any endorsements goodbye and, with no degree and a reputation as a woman beater, his prospects for any employment are slim.

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20 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

If anyone needs a breather from this joyless topic, check out the Robert Foster thread next door—highly recommended and should restore some seasonal cheer!!

 

The good stories never get the press.

 

Good job on R Foster. I wanted this team to go young at WR (Jones, Foster, Dupree, Proehl and RayRay) early on, but my post was too inflammatory calling those old WRs bums. You know guys like KB and Andre Holmes.

 

It's December and they are still bums.

 

Zay Jones and R Foster are the better looking WRs now, like I predicted.

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1 hour ago, 3rd Inning said:

Does anyone know the back story?

People with IQs above room temperature are able to recognize varying degrees of wrongdoing.

 

This is true and apparently you seem to think that Hunt deserves a pass and would welcome this cancer on your team. Congrats on being one of those guys. How terrible. 

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He will get a second chance somewhere....he was already in counciling before being cut....the Chiefs have requested the NFL continue providing him with counseling.  He is 23, very talented and has an oppertunitiy to EARN a second chance with someone.  He specifically told the Chiefs he never left his hotel room MULTIPLE times.  He lied to them straight up.  That is why he was cut.

 

I'd be willing to make a small wager that he is claimed by the Eagles before the deadline expires monday.  

 

He made several poor choices that day...alcohol with underage females..confronting said females...not calling security to get them out of his hotel/appartment, not having his "crew" keep him out of the spotlight and handling this and making it go away with him out of the picture...etc etc....and then, lying about it to the team.  He would NOT be cut if he had just said what he did.  The team would have used every resource it had to rehab the guy, and protect him.

 

If I were the Bills....I would study it closely for sure......he IS going to play again...and it could be in a Bills uniform....

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1 hour ago, The Senator said:

 

Sounds like a reasonable scenario, assuming Hunt doesn’t end up in jail.  I wish Goodell would suspend him for the entire 2019 season.  The thug can kiss any endorsements goodbye and, with no degree and a reputation as a woman beater, his prospects for any employment are slim.

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He has a degree in criminal justice. He would fit in great there. That profession has a long history of domestic violence.

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15 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

He has a degree in criminal justice. He would fit in great there. That profession has a long history of domestic violence.

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My bad.  I was under the impression he came out after his junior year.

 

Sounds like he’d make a great jailhouse lawyer!

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22 minutes ago, Zerovotlz said:

He will get a second chance somewhere....he was already in counciling before being cut....the Chiefs have requested the NFL continue providing him with counseling.  He is 23, very talented and has an oppertunitiy to EARN a second chance with someone.  He specifically told the Chiefs he never left his hotel room MULTIPLE times.  He lied to them straight up.  That is why he was cut.

 

I'd be willing to make a small wager that he is claimed by the Eagles before the deadline expires monday.  

 

He made several poor choices that day...alcohol with underage females..confronting said females...not calling security to get them out of his hotel/appartment, not having his "crew" keep him out of the spotlight and handling this and making it go away with him out of the picture...etc etc....and then, lying about it to the team.  He would NOT be cut if he had just said what he did.  The team would have used every resource it had to rehab the guy, and protect him.

 

If I were the Bills....I would study it closely for sure......he IS going to play again...and it could be in a Bills uniform....

 

Thanks for the gouge, votlz.  Good to know the Chiefs requested the NFL to keep providing the counseling.

 

Yeah, I can see where telling the team something that is easily and verifiably false would be a flag for them.

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11 hours ago, Gugny said:

I just had my 15-year-old son watch.  I didn't say a word while he watched.  When it was over, I asked him to tell me what he took away from it:

 

1.  They were both in the wrong.

2.  A man should never put his hands on a woman.

3.  No one (man or woman) should go after someone else and think that nothing is going to happen in return.

4.  The kick was the worst part because she was already on the ground.

5.  He (Hunt) did not react like a man should.

 

I think he nailed it pretty well.

Sounds like a great kid with a good head on his shoulders. Hope that you that showed him how proud you were by taking him for drinks at a tittie bar. 

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7 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Sounds like a great kid with a good head on his shoulders. Hope that you that showed him how proud you were by taking him for drinks at a tittie bar. 

 

He had to take a rain check.  I spent all my money last weekend teaching him how to pick out decent hookers.

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7 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Sounds like a great kid with a good head on his shoulders. Hope that you that showed him how proud you were by taking him for drinks at a tittie bar. 

Taking him out for drinks at the strip club...my god man didn't you read the whole post? His kid's 15 years old! He should be showing him how to blow lines and get cheap champagne room handies. 

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8 hours ago, Zerovotlz said:

He will get a second chance somewhere....he was already in counciling before being cut....the Chiefs have requested the NFL continue providing him with counseling.  He is 23, very talented and has an oppertunitiy to EARN a second chance with someone.  He specifically told the Chiefs he never left his hotel room MULTIPLE times.  He lied to them straight up.  That is why he was cut.

 

I'd be willing to make a small wager that he is claimed by the Eagles before the deadline expires monday.  

 

He made several poor choices that day...alcohol with underage females..confronting said females...not calling security to get them out of his hotel/appartment, not having his "crew" keep him out of the spotlight and handling this and making it go away with him out of the picture...etc etc....and then, lying about it to the team.  He would NOT be cut if he had just said what he did.  The team would have used every resource it had to rehab the guy, and protect him.

 

If I were the Bills....I would study it closely for sure......he IS going to play again...and it could be in a Bills uniform....

 

I think that is pretty fair. If he had admitted the incident to the Chiefs he would probably have served some sort of suspension and then returned to the team. But to do it and lie to then they felt the trust was breached. 

 

That said even if he had have admitted it the video leaking does change perceptions. This is not on the Ray Rice video scale but still it being out there does often cloud what people thought was their honest judgment. 

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1 minute ago, peterpan said:

This may be somewhere in the 28 pages but whats the timeline on when he can be claimed/when it will be announced??

 

Monday at 4 PM we'll know.

 

Kareem Hunt is facing more than just six-game ban

 

Recently released Kansas City Chiefs running back Kareem Hunt will learn his immediate fate on Monday at 4 p.m. ET when the waiver wire comes out. Hunt might not learn until the offseason when he'll be allowed to step on a field for an NFL team again.

 

That wait is expected to end with a lengthy suspension.

 

According to sources with direct knowledge of the situation, Hunt faces more than the baseline six-game suspension for violation of the NFL's personal conduct policy. The league also has been investigating an incident involving Hunt allegedly punching a man in the face at an Ohio resort in June. The NFL is believed to have found enough from that incident to add to Hunt's discipline.

 

Since penalties for two incidents aren't likely to be served independently of each other -- and because the clock on a suspension doesn't begin when a player is on the Reserve/Commissioner Exempt List -- Hunt could sit out not only the rest of the 2018 season, but well into the 2019 season.

That's assuming a team signs him to play, which is not a given.

 

This all played out Friday when TMZ published a surveillance video from a Cleveland hotel showing Hunt shoving and kicking a woman. The Chiefs released him after stating he lied to them by greatly minimizing the incident. He later apologized in a statement: "I deeply regret what I did. I hope to move on from this."

 

The NFL, which never closed its investigation into Hunt, hopes to move quickly. It likely will make another attempt to reach the victims -- there were multiple attempts previously by email and phone to no avail -- and Hunt also will be interviewed.

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Kareem Hunt faces more than baseline six-game suspension

but nothing was going to happen?

 

 

Recently released Kansas City Chiefs running back Kareem Hunt will learn his immediate fate on Monday at 4 p.m. ET when the waiver wire comes out. Hunt might not learn until the offseason when he'll be allowed to step on a field for an NFL team again.

That wait is expected to end with a lengthy suspension.

According to sources with direct knowledge of the situation, Hunt faces more than the baseline six-game suspension for violation of the NFL's personal conduct policy. The league also has been investigating an incident involving Hunt allegedly punching a man in the face at an Ohio resort in June. The NFL is believed to have found enough from that incident to add to Hunt's discipline.

Since penalties for two incidents aren't likely to be served independently of each other -- and because the clock on a suspension doesn't begin when a player is on the Reserve/Commissioner Exempt List -- Hunt could sit out not only the rest of the 2018 season, but well into the 2019 season.

That's assuming a team signs him to play, which is not a given.

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36 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Monday at 4 PM we'll know.

 

Kareem Hunt is facing more than just six-game ban

 

Recently released Kansas City Chiefs running back Kareem Hunt will learn his immediate fate on Monday at 4 p.m. ET when the waiver wire comes out. Hunt might not learn until the offseason when he'll be allowed to step on a field for an NFL team again.

 

That wait is expected to end with a lengthy suspension.

 

According to sources with direct knowledge of the situation, Hunt faces more than the baseline six-game suspension for violation of the NFL's personal conduct policy. The league also has been investigating an incident involving Hunt allegedly punching a man in the face at an Ohio resort in June. The NFL is believed to have found enough from that incident to add to Hunt's discipline.

 

Since penalties for two incidents aren't likely to be served independently of each other -- and because the clock on a suspension doesn't begin when a player is on the Reserve/Commissioner Exempt List -- Hunt could sit out not only the rest of the 2018 season, but well into the 2019 season.

That's assuming a team signs him to play, which is not a given.

 

This all played out Friday when TMZ published a surveillance video from a Cleveland hotel showing Hunt shoving and kicking a woman. The Chiefs released him after stating he lied to them by greatly minimizing the incident. He later apologized in a statement: "I deeply regret what I did. I hope to move on from this."

 

The NFL, which never closed its investigation into Hunt, hopes to move quickly. It likely will make another attempt to reach the victims -- there were multiple attempts previously by email and phone to no avail -- and Hunt also will be interviewed.

 

 

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