Chiefs release Kareem Hunt after video from February incident surfaces

[DCOrange]

Before the news about two other incidents came out, I would have confidently said he'll play again, and soon. Now I'm not so sure. I still think someone will ultimately give him another chance, but I don't think it's a definite anymore.

[row_33]

58 minutes ago, H2o said:

Agreed, talent trumps controversy in the NFL. There is a list of players you could run down to cite this truth. 

 

 

not with this bad pub, reduces his chances

 

not to 0%, for now...

 

 

[H2o]

47 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

 

not with this bad pub, reduces his chances

 

not to 0%, for now...

 

 

Trust me, I wouldn't sign him nor do I want the Bills to. I do however think that some team will try to spin the whole "he's changed his life because of what happened" shtick and sign him because of the numbers he's put up already. 

[Beast]

4 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

He'll play again. 

 

Not for quite some time, if at all.

 

And, if he does, it will be for peanuts and not for a dynamic offense like KC has.

 

In essence, his career is pretty much over.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Binghamton Beast said:

 

Not for quite some time, if at all.

 

And, if he does, it will be for peanuts and not for a dynamic offense like KC has.

 

In essence, his career is pretty much over.

 

I doubt that, but we'll certainly see. 

[row_33]

28 minutes ago, H2o said:

Trust me, I wouldn't sign him nor do I want the Bills to. I do however think that some team will try to spin the whole "he's changed his life because of what happened" shtick and sign him because of the numbers he's put up already. 

 

hasn't worked for anyone yet, RBs aren't really that valuable

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, row_33 said:

hasn't worked for anyone yet, RBs aren't really that valuable

 

What about AP?

[row_33]

18 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

What about AP?

 

he's close to an immortal of the game

 

 

and not quite the same problems here....

 

[Beast]

49 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I doubt that, but we'll certainly see. 

 

You are correct.

 

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I think he is done. We shall see.

[vincec]

5 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

He should have gotten a fall guy.

[H2o]

2 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

hasn't worked for anyone yet, RBs aren't really that valuable

 

 

Joe Mixon

[KD in CA]

3 hours ago, H2o said:

Trust me, I wouldn't sign him nor do I want the Bills to. I do however think that some team will try to spin the whole "he's changed his life because of what happened" shtick and sign him because of the numbers he's put up already. 

 

I have to believe the NFL ownership has evolved into acting as a group with these major PR situations.  It’s not like Al Davis is gonna ride in and sign him against the group’s wishes.  If the league decides to blackball him like Rice, he’s done.

[Herc11]

I'd love to ask Kaepernick who had "priveledge" here. 

[dabills21]

14 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Beyond the physical altercation, the manner in which the hotel staff on hand and police on scene handled the situation is truly sad.

 

On top of that, the NFL seemed to do very little to pursue additional details about that evening, UNTIL TMZ released the video...again disturbing.

 

I'm a diehard nfl fan, but situations like these are what the 'skeptical' public eye hold onto to paint a bleak image about the league and its athletes.

 

At this point, Hunt would have been better off if the NFL did their due diligence from day 1.  Usually, more harsh consequences result from an organization in 'damage control' mode.  Suspension might be less than a season, but strongly believe that all teams will be encouraged to stay clear unless they are "100% certain" that he will stay out of trouble...cant see a team willing to take that risk and public beatdown. 

 

I agree with the poster above, I don't see Hunt coming back from this.

[IDBillzFan]

19 hours ago, KD in CA said:

 

Gotta love the 'one night out' narrative trying to minimize the incident;  as if Hunt was an altar boy his whole life until 'one night out'.   Let me guess...things somehow got out of control!   

 

It reminds me of the tongue-in-cheek comment I'm always using whenever OJ's name comes up.

 

The dude was a ground-breaking football player who went on to show his global marketability with TV commercials before landing iconic roles in an iconic movie franchise. He thrilled and entertained us for over two decades. The guy had ONE bad night and suddenly people don't like him?

[Victory Formation]

No thanks. Would much rather sign TJ Yeldon and Tevin Coleman and have a RB by committee approach. Think those two could combine for more than Hunt.

[BADOLBILZ]

19 hours ago, KD in CA said:

 

Gotta love the 'one night out' narrative trying to minimize the incident;  as if Hunt was an altar boy his whole life until 'one night out'.   Let me guess...things somehow got out of control!   

 

You'd love the Urban Meyer retirement thread then.

 

Yoyo literally declared that Honest Urb had just "one weakness".........loyalty.

 

In that case apparently to his chronic wife beater assistant coach........and yoyo goes on to note how we usually admire loyalty.

 

Hunt is getting what he deserves and he's going to get a little extra too because teams just don't value RB play enough to stick their necks out very far for one.

[NoSaint]

6 hours ago, dabills21 said:

Beyond the physical altercation, the manner in which the hotel staff on hand and police on scene handled the situation is truly sad.

 

On top of that, the NFL seemed to do very little to pursue additional details about that evening, UNTIL TMZ released the video...again disturbing.

 

I'm a diehard nfl fan, but situations like these are what the 'skeptical' public eye hold onto to paint a bleak image about the league and its athletes.

 

At this point, Hunt would have been better off if the NFL did their due diligence from day 1.  Usually, more harsh consequences result from an organization in 'damage control' mode.  Suspension might be less than a season, but strongly believe that all teams will be encouraged to stay clear unless they are "100% certain" that he will stay out of trouble...cant see a team willing to take that risk and public beatdown. 

 

I agree with the poster above, I don't see Hunt coming back from this.

 

I do often waffle back and forth about how much the nfl should really be investigating employees off field beyond mandatory reporting of any arrests/charges to the league. 

 

At this point hunt wouldve been better off if handled handled differently by HIMSELF, right?

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[row_33]

14 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

I do often waffle back and forth about how much the nfl should really be investigating employees off field beyond mandatory reporting of any arrests/charges to the league. 

 

At this point hunt wouldve been better off if handled handled differently by HIMSELF, right?

 

Should they pay National Enquirer prices for videos and use them against a player?

 

 

 

[GoBills808]

18 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

I do often waffle back and forth about how much the nfl should really be investigating employees off field beyond mandatory reporting of any arrests/charges to the league. 

 

At this point hunt wouldve been better off if handled handled differently by HIMSELF, right?

It's the price these institutions pay for being in the public eye nowadays.

[row_33]

You have a given set of rights in society 

 

can the NFL go way beyond the police in addresssing a complaint?

 

 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

30 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

I do often waffle back and forth about how much the nfl should really be investigating employees off field beyond mandatory reporting of any arrests/charges to the league. 

 

At this point hunt wouldve been better off if handled handled differently by HIMSELF, right?

 

The problem the NFL faces at this point in time is, IMO, inconsistency.

 

They can't claim "zero tolerance" for violence or assault, do little/nothing to investigate Hunt, then act only when video turns up in the public eye.

 

They need to either take incidents more seriously and perform a real investigation from the get-go, or they need to go with actual convictions.

 

 

[GoBills808]

[KD in CA]

17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The problem the NFL faces at this point in time is, IMO, inconsistency.

 

They can't claim "zero tolerance" for violence or assault, do little/nothing to investigate Hunt, then act only when video turns up in the public eye.

 

They need to either take incidents more seriously and perform a real investigation from the get-go, or they need to go with actual convictions.

 

 

 

It sounds like they are moving toward this policy, which is fine. But a video changes everything because they can't ignore the court of public opinion.  

 

One problem with that policy (which not necessarily the NFL's fault), is that athletes get away with things they shouldn't, as was clearly the case with the police investigation in this event.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

It sounds like they are moving toward this policy, which is fine. But a video changes everything because they can't ignore the court of public opinion.  

 

One problem with that policy (which not necessarily the NFL's fault), is that athletes get away with things they shouldn't, as was clearly the case with the police investigation in this event.

 

Agreed with the latter.

 

As to the former - if the NFL is going to let video and the court of public opinion change what they do, then they are going to continue to look "lukewarm" and hypocritical.

 

 

 

 

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Agreed with the latter.

 

As to the former - if the NFL is going to let video and the court of public opinion change what they do, then they are going to continue to look "lukewarm" and hypocritical.

 

 

 

 

I personally have no problem with the league holding players to a higher standard of accountability than do the courts. As noted earlier it’s becoming pro forma wrt public perception, and these decisions are mostly made with an eye toward revenue. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I personally have no problem with the league holding players to a higher standard of accountability than do the courts. As noted earlier it’s becoming pro forma wrt public perception, and these decisions are mostly made with an eye toward revenue. 

 

I have no problem with that decision either.  My point is I think the league has to pick: either or, not both (depending upon the PR "look")

 

They can either hold players to a higher standard, in which case they need to require players to report all incidents where law inforcement is called and investigate all incidents immediately and thoroughly.

 

Or, they need to take a uniform policy "we don't care if there's video, we're going to let law enforcement procedings drive ours"

 

As it is, they are appearing to be hypocritical and reactive: "pics, or it never happened" as it were.

[LSHMEAB]

If that happened behind closed doors, he'd be admonished but certainly not banished from the league.

 

I'm not absolving him of guilt or blame, but that seems fundamentally unfair.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

If that happened behind closed doors, he'd be admonished but certainly not banished from the league.

 

I'm not absolving him of guilt or blame, but that seems fundamentally unfair.

 

....for what is NOW perceived to be a MAJOR issue, something isn't passing the smell test as far as it occurring in February......why ten months later?.......

[row_33]

8 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....for what is NOW perceived to be a MAJOR issue, something isn't passing the smell test as far as it occurring in February......why ten months later?.......

 

TMZ paid big $ for the video?

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

Just now, row_33 said:

 

TMZ paid big $ for the video?

 

 

 

...think you pretty much NAILED it bud......somebody had the video and wanted to turn a "quick buck".......and with TMZ, today's electronic rag like yesteryear's National Enquirer (remember reading the salacious headlines in line at the grocery store??),they had their check book ready....it was reported that the Chiefs cut him because he lied to them when questioned back in February....tell the truth and perhaps they handle it internally with a one or two game "conduct detrimental" suspension..and now it is reported that the NFL received Cleveland PD report voluntarily back in February....with 10 months going by, sounds like they put their heads in the sand hoping it would go away......only to NOW make Goober Goodell's "exempt list".......makes perfect sense (COUGH)...........

 

Steve Almasy, CNN- Updated 7:56 PM ET, Wed December 5, 2018

(CNN)A day after indicating a formal NFL request for information on an alleged physical assault involving star running back Kareem Hunt didn't occur until last week, Cleveland police said Wednesday the league was given a copy of the police report in February.

The report did not go through the official public records request process, police said on their website. Instead a member of the Cleveland Division of Police gave the report to an NFL representative.

 

On Tuesday, police had said the league didn't make a formal request for records or body camera video until Friday.

[row_33]

Again, you want the NFL and teams paying $$ for film or dirt that is not public info or obtainable without paying $ ???

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[eanyills]

1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...think you pretty much NAILED it bud......somebody had the video and wanted to turn a "quick buck".......and with TMZ, today's electronic rag like yesteryear's National Enquirer (remember reading the salacious headlines in line at the grocery store??),they had their check book ready....it was reported that the Chiefs cut him because he lied to them when questioned back in February....tell the truth and perhaps they handle it internally with a one or two game "conduct detrimental" suspension..and now it is reported that the NFL received Cleveland PD report voluntarily back in February....with 10 months going by, sounds like they put their heads in the sand hoping it would go away......only to NOW make Goober Goodell's "exempt list".......makes perfect sense (COUGH)...........

 

Steve Almasy, CNN- Updated 7:56 PM ET, Wed December 5, 2018

(CNN)A day after indicating a formal NFL request for information on an alleged physical assault involving star running back Kareem Hunt didn't occur until last week, Cleveland police said Wednesday the league was given a copy of the police report in February.

The report did not go through the official public records request process, police said on their website. Instead a member of the Cleveland Division of Police gave the report to an NFL representative.

 

On Tuesday, police had said the league didn't make a formal request for records or body camera video until Friday.

 

 

To be fair, it’s pretty obvious from all accounts that the police report isn’t very accurate to what the video shows and it very friendly to Hunt’s actions.

[LSHMEAB]

I think it's BS that they cut Hunt because "he lied to them."

 

He was cut because of the VIDEO and the PR hit.

[GoBills808]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I have no problem with that decision either.  My point is I think the league has to pick: either or, not both (depending upon the PR "look")

 

They can either hold players to a higher standard, in which case they need to require players to report all incidents where law inforcement is called and investigate all incidents immediately and thoroughly.

 

Or, they need to take a uniform policy "we don't care if there's video, we're going to let law enforcement procedings drive ours"

 

As it is, they are appearing to be hypocritical and reactive: "pics, or it never happened" as it were.

The larger issue is the NFLPA needs to come into the next CBA negotiations with the mindset of putting down very clear guidelines for player conduct and consequences for violations. Until that happens, the league office will continue adjudicating by whatever terms they see fit. They're under no obligation to form ad hoc policy and I think it's unlikely they feel any need to- Goodell has been using very broad, very arbitrary conduct violation authority for years now.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

47 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I think it's BS that they cut Hunt because "he lied to them."

He was cut because of the VIDEO and the PR hit.

 

Directly, of course you're right.  If the video hadn't come out, the "lied to them" would never have come out.

 

I have to wonder if there's more to it than we know, though.  I wouldn't think ordinarily "lie and you're OUT" would be applied to a star 2nd year player.
 

What with the Put-in Bay incident and etc, I wonder if Hunt has an alcohol or substance abuse/anger management issue and the team knew it, and basically said "work on it and be straight with us and we'll make every effort to help you and keep you on the team; lie to us or stop working, and you're gone."

 

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

The larger issue is the NFLPA needs to come into the next CBA negotiations with the mindset of putting down very clear guidelines for player conduct and consequences for violations. Until that happens, the league office will continue adjudicating by whatever terms they see fit. They're under no obligation to form ad hoc policy and I think it's unlikely they feel any need to- Goodell has been using very broad, very arbitrary conduct violation authority for years now.  

 

Exactly.

[LSHMEAB]

19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Directly, of course you're right.  If the video hadn't come out, the "lied to them" would never have come out.

 

I have to wonder if there's more to it than we know, though.  I wouldn't think ordinarily "lie and you're OUT" would be applied to a star 2nd year player.
 

What with the Put-in Bay incident and etc, I wonder if Hunt has an alcohol or substance abuse/anger management issue and the team knew it, and basically said "work on it and be straight with us and we'll make every effort to help you and keep you on the team; lie to us or stop working, and you're gone."

 

 

Exactly.

I get what you're saying, but my opinion is that they wouldn't have released him even if they reasonably concluded he had lied. The tape killed him.

[row_33]

1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

I get what you're saying, but my opinion is that they wouldn't have released him even if they reasonably concluded he had lied. The tape killed him.

 

How would they know without the tape?

 

this whole page is filled with people blindly ignoring the fact that a tabloid bought the tape....

 

 I guess they love ignoring facts in life....

 

[mannc]

6 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

No thanks. Would much rather sign TJ Yeldon and Tevin Coleman and have a RB by committee approach. Think those two could combine for more than Hunt.

Please...it’s fine to not want Hunt because of his misconduct, but don’t pretend he’s not a great talent.  He’s probably the best back in the league.  Coleman and Yeldon are fine, but the don’t equal Hunt.